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Gay at birth?
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Gay at birth?
@ZeusAres42
Just Sayin posted up.a link regarding depression and gender fluidity thinking it somehow supported his claims.
It's beyond belief that the guy actually believes sexual orientation is a choice but he has to think this way on account of his religious beliefs as homosexuality to his mind is a grave sin and one cannot be born this way as God wouldn't allow it.
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Gay at birth?
Something very obvious that I would like to insert in this discussion is that the question of what causes homosexuality is separate from the question of whether it is changeable at will. Even if homosexuality was purely environmental (which it very well might be), it still would not imply that it can be changed intentionally. Human psychology has incredible memory, and 90-year old people are still chiefly run by their childhood traumas. Someone who had a very traumatic confrontation with their parent when they were 5, may still experience painful flashbacks every time they enter a confrontation at the age of 95. They were not born with these flashbacks, but they are so deeply ingrained in their psychology that they might as well be an inherent part of their brain.
Changing one's behavior is difficult enough. Changing one's preferences is downright impossible without very serious and long inner work. Take someone who hates the taste of carrots and try to get them to love it - most likely will not happen. And changing disliking one vegetable to liking it is a billion times easier than changing being sexually attracted to one gender to another.
Lastly, I invite anyone who seriously believes that homosexuality can be changed into heterosexuality at will - conduct the opposite experiment. Pick a month and, assuming you are heterosexual, live it as if you were homosexual. Go on dates with guys (involving making out), share bed with them, watch gay porn... Then let us know how it went.
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Gay at birth?
Factfinder said:@ZeusAres42
https://typeset.io/questions/what-is-the-current-understanding-of-the-genetic-basis-of-jbg5pd22pt
The current understanding of the genetic basis of homosexuality suggests that same-sex sexual behavior has a genetic component, with evidence pointing towards a polygenic influence[1][2][3]. While early claims of a "homosexuality gene" lacked power and yielded contradictory results, recent genome-wide association studies on large datasets have confirmed modest heritability but no major locus, indicating an extremely polygenic genetic influence on homosexuality[4]. Studies have shown that genetic loci linked with same-sex sexual behavior cannot predict individual orientation, highlighting the complexity of human sexuality and the small fraction of same-sex behavior explained by genetic variation[5]. The biology of male homosexuality, rooted in the brain's hypothalamus, has evolutionary origins, but our understanding of its genetic underpinnings is still evolving. Genetic studies, including family, twin, and molecular genetic research, support the notion of a strong genetic basis for same-sex attraction, although specific genes predisposing to such attractions are not definitively established.
@Factfinder ;
After reviewing the studies referenced earlier and some of the latest research, I have concluded that much of what is being said in this thread is epistemically loaded language and an equivocation (most likely unintentionally) of scientific language with everyday common parlance.
Where @just_sayin is concerned, there is the misuse of the term 'Fluidity' (probably thinking this means that orientation is a conscious choice when nothing could be further from the scientific truth), the implication that biology plays no role in orientation (that baffles me, let alone not even being stated in any of the literature he references), the negation of the interconnectedness of environmental factors (which he ignores to say anything about which is also in the literature he references), the blanket statements about LGBTQ+ people when we're explicitly talking about homosexuality, among other things such as studies with outdated methodologies as well as posting news blogs.
His scientific grandiosity speaks volumes.
And then again, there is the poisoning of the well where he is accusing me of posting AI content when I have done no such thing as some childish attempt to discredit me.
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The Big Bang - Where's the Evidence?
Which is of course part of the falsifying process I explained to you in my last post. Even with all that we don't know the one thing we do know is there is more evidence for the big bang than there is for god.just_sayin said:
Zeus,ZeusAres42 said:MayCaesar said:When you say that you "don't believe" in Big Bang, what exactly do you refer to? The specific claim that the Universe used to be much denser than it is now? The claim that it is expanding? The claim that it is not infinite? Or, perhaps, you believe that the entire physics framework used to arrive at the Big Bang Theory is wrong somehow?
As it is, your statement sounds similar to, "I don't believe in engineering", or "I don't believe in marriage". It is far too ambiguous to lead to a meaningful conversation without further clarification.
@MayCaesar ;
Maybe they even meant this:
I mean the sitcom. They may not believe in Sheldon Cooper lmao.
Let me do a Zeus and quote an AI on the subject:The Big Bang theory is a widely accepted scientific model explaining the origin and evolution of the universe. However, like any scientific theory, it is not without its limitations and areas of ongoing research and debate. Some of the key challenges and open questions associated with the Big Bang theory include:
Singularity Problem: The Big Bang theory describes the universe as originating from a singularity—a point of infinite density and temperature. However, the concept of a singularity is problematic because it suggests that our current laws of physics break down under such extreme conditions. Resolving this issue requires a theory of quantum gravity, which would unify quantum mechanics and general relativity.
Initial Conditions: The Big Bang theory does not explain what caused the initial singularity or what conditions prevailed before it. Understanding the initial conditions of the universe remains a major challenge in cosmology.
Horizon Problem: The universe appears to be uniform on large scales, with the same basic properties in all directions. However, regions of the universe that are now very distant from each other were never in causal contact (they couldn't have interacted or exchanged information due to the finite speed of light). This raises the question of how such uniformity arose without communication between these distant regions.
Flatness Problem: Observations indicate that the universe is very close to flat, meaning that parallel lines will never meet and the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. The Big Bang theory suggests that the universe's curvature should evolve over time, but it remains remarkably close to flat. This fine-tuning of the universe's geometry requires explanation.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy: The Big Bang theory relies on the existence of dark matter and dark energy to explain various observations, such as the rotation curves of galaxies and the accelerated expansion of the universe. However, the nature of dark matter and dark energy remains mysterious, and their existence has not been directly confirmed through laboratory experiments.
Inflation: To address some of the issues mentioned above, cosmologists have proposed the theory of cosmic inflation, which suggests that the universe underwent a rapid exponential expansion in the early moments after the Big Bang. While inflation has been successful in explaining several cosmological observations, the details of how inflation occurred and what drove it are still not fully understood.
These challenges and unanswered questions drive ongoing research in cosmology and theoretical physics, with scientists continually seeking to refine and extend our understanding of the universe's origins and evolution.
It appears your AI is indeed more informed than you and @MayCaesar. Good to know.
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Gay at birth?
@just_sayin
ARGUMENT TOPIC : JUST SAYIN IS ARGUING AGAINST POINTS I NEVER MADE .
Search on 'No Gay Gene' and you'll find a lot of articles referencing the study.
I never mentioned a " gay gene" or made a case for one
I asked you ......You say being gay is " not natural" , living in a tree house is " not natural " so what makes something " natural"?
Being gay you're claiming is a life style choice? Seriously?
You also need to read the article you're citing ........
Moreover, the researchers found that sexuality is polygenic — meaning hundreds or even thousands of genes make tiny contributions to the trait. That pattern is similar to other heritable (but complex) characteristics like height or a proclivity toward trying new things. (Things like red/green colorblindness, freckles and dimples can be traced back to single genes). But polygenic traits can be strongly influenced by the environment, But polygenic traits can be strongly influenced by the environment, meaning there’s no clear winner in this “nature versus nurture” debate.
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Gay at birth?
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Your link is a pay to view article citing one person's view , have you any scientific peer reviewed papers backing your claims up?
we can not stray away from our natural instincts.
Our only " natural instinct " is to survive , we are hunter gatherers all our efforts are towards achieving that goal.
You say being gay is " not natural" , living in a tree house is " not natural " so what makes something " natural"?
Being gay you're claiming is a life style choice? Seriously?
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Gay at birth?
There is no gay gene. This has been scientifically proven. Further, many of the genetic markers that some have put forward suggesting as that someone is born gay - appear in greater frequency in the heterosexual community. There have been over 2 dozen genes, combination of genes, biological markers, and physical conditions suggested, yet none have met the threshold of provability. The fact that identical twins can have different sexual orientations is an indicator that biology doesn't determine sexual orientation. It is time to let this archaic theory die. -
Gay at birth?
Zelensky started being gay when the devil ate his soul. -
Favorite meaningful songs?
Well, I am now listening to this:
