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To the moon?
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By ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts edited October 2017
There's no way men went to the moon. You still think we did? Evidence! 
dropoutcomey_testifyale5SilverishGoldNovanatbaronsZombieguy1987
  1. Live Poll

    Men went to the moon?

    19 votes
    1. No way!
      21.05%
    2. I saw it on TV!
      63.16%
    3. I don't know, it's questionable.
      15.79%
Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

Wayne Dyer



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  • They did, what do you think the government is doing with the NASA budget? 
    comey_testify
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @dropout
    Developing VR technologies and giving us CGI, pocketing the rest.
    comey_testifyZombieguy1987
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @dropout hopefully that's not your argument.
    comey_testifyZombieguy1987
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • @erfisflat , can you provide a public budget or financial report to prove this? Con may be able to due to the truth being that man did go to the moon and nasas agenda is space such as the ISS.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @comey_testify
    Are you saying that public budget reports are infallible and not subject to falsification? 
    Zombieguy1987
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • m_abusteitm_abusteit 101 Pts
    edited June 2017
    Whats your evidence that nasa uses the money to make holograms, CGI or vr or what you claim.
    Zombieguy1987
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @m_abusteit

    Telemetrics virtual reality sources:
    http://www.telemetricsinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:splashmedia-&itemid=54

    http://www.telemetricsinc.com/case-studies/johnson-space-center

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=42888

    NASA's VR camera malfunction shows guy in the background with his wire harness unsuccessfully edited out, hand going through a hat, and VR object camera malfunction causes guy on the left to handle invisible object.


    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ale5ale5 245 Pts
    @Erfisflat, in any court system your evidence would be highly circumstantial. In our society the justice system is innocent until proven guilty - so you have a burden of proof to show that NASA is stealing our money and fakes it with VR glasses.
    It's kind of fun to do the impossible
    - Walt Disney
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @ale5 were not exactly in court man. A $20,000,000,000 a year company can cover it's feces pretty well, remember these are the same people that claim they orbit a spherical earth too, I've shown that to be false. I can definitely show them liars though. 

    It is well known that the ISS has a delay when conversing with us earth people. A good example



    Yet here is an astro-not recording a live song simultaneously with earth bound frontman from Barenaked Ladies.

    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    @ale5

    Have you examined any of NASA'S footage?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    All the evidence so far is "I saw it on TV, and, they make a lot of money and print a report about it....
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landings in a studio and coded a confession into The Shining. 





    Danny stands up and walks to room 237. The moon is approximately 237,000 miles away. 



    there is a lot more coding in the movie. Not nearly enough time to cover it all.
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1629 Pts
    edited June 2017


    Has the earth grown in size?

    Maybe it Just got closer
    SilverishGoldNovaEvidenceZombieguy1987
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    "the lunar module was $400,000,000"

    Yeah it looks like someone glued a bunch of aluminum foil together. 
    Evidence
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • Erfisflat said:
    "the lunar module was $400,000,000"

    Yeah it looks like someone glued a bunch of aluminum foil together. 
    Still getting ripped off to this day
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • edited August 2017
    I can't tell if thats $400,000,000 of engineering or if someone glued aluminum foil to a bunch of pipes.
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • @wake 5 out of ten agree so far. The moon landings were probably faked.
    namemcnameEvidenceZombieguy1987calebsica
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • @Wake Also, if you think everyone on the internet should have their name and address published then... whats yours? Practice what you preach 
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • Erfisflat said:
    @wake 5 out of ten agree so far. The moon landings were probably faked.
    We have an appeal to popular opinion fallacy
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaEvidence
  • Erfisflat said:
    @wake 5 out of ten agree so far. The moon landings were probably faked.
    We have an appeal to popular opinion fallacy
    That's when you use the popular opinion as infalliable evidence. I was just stating the results of the poll.
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • WakeWake 124 Pts
    @SilverishGoldNova - You first.
    SilverishGoldNova
  • @wake this debate is for discussions about or presenting evidence for or against the original moon landings. Please stay on topic.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • edited October 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    @wake 5 out of ten agree so far. The moon landings were probably faked.
    We have an appeal to popular opinion fallacy

    @Namemcname Ad populum fallacies only count when popular opinion is being used as evidence. So no, it's not an appeal to popular opinion fallacy, he was simply stating the statistics of the poll. There are a number of reasons the moon landings were faked.

    EvidenceZombieguy1987
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • Wake, Love the new profile pic
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  • There are retroreflectors that were placed on the moon during the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions. By using lasers you can calculate the distance from earth to the moon. This has been conducted hundreds of times. If we never went how did the retroreflectors get there?
  • There are retroreflectors that were placed on the moon during the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions. By using lasers you can calculate the distance from earth to the moon. This has been conducted hundreds of times. If we never went how did the retroreflectors get there?
    There aren't any retroreflectors on the moon. Don't be ridiculous. They were bouncing lasers off the moon long before the moon landings. It's either a reflection on water, or in image under water.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v194/n4835/abs/1941267a0.html?foxtrotcallback=true

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment#cite_note-2


    EvidenceSilverishGoldNovaZombieguy1987
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Mankind set foot on the moon first in 1969 in the mission Apollo 11, but despite their success, there were debates about whether NASA actually landed or faked their appearance. Did they make up their landing just to be ahead of Russia in the space race? One key question was why did the flag in the background waving when there is no wind on the moon. The truth is Apollo did indeed land on the moon and even brought samples back to earth. There are still footprints of this astronaut imprinted on the surface of the moon. As for the flag, a metal rod was inserted horizontally on top of the flag to keep it straight and from dropping from gravity.
  • @dropout
     In 1969, the government was not developing VR and CGI.
    First of all, that's a load of crap, because they don't use those, the entertainment industry does.
    Furthermore, even if they didn't build a working lunar module, they still had to build those expensive rockets, which no one in their right mind would just launch into space in order to "win" the space race.Especially since you can view many of the associated technology in a museum. Any time someone calls into the question a government conspiracy, you wonder why the government never makes a statement that the conspiracy is wrong? It's because they know that it's so STUPID that there's no point in trying to refute it.

    @Erfisflat
    The second picture you provided for moon to earth scaling was an animated exaggeration, just like most solar system models, because it allows the relationship between the two to become more apparent and to make it more easily apparent the size ratios between the actual bodies.
    The reason why the moon looks bigger in the sky than the earth does because we have an atmosphere. Especially near the horizon, where the amount of intervening atmosphere is highest, the size of the moon is magnified by atmospheric gases acting moonas a magnifying lens on the moon. This is a well recorded phenomenon, as we've also observed far away galaxies through gaseous nebulae that acted as a lens as well.

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