Can you be a Christian and believe in revenge??

just_sayin

Can a Christian recognize that revenge is something that some people pursue?  Yes.  Can a Christian recognize that God has the right to 'avenge' or punish  all wrongdoing?  Yep.  God says 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay.;' - Deuteronomy 32:35.  

Should a Christian seek 'revenge'?  Both the Old and New Testament says to not do so.  “ ‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. - Leviticus 19:18; Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. - Romans 12:9

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Nope

Instead of revenge, Christians are instructed to:

• Love their enemies (Matthew 5:44)
• Forgive those who wrong them (Luke 6:27-31)
• Overcome evil with good (Romans 12:21)

Tell that to Trump who promises to punish all his enemies.  MAGA = Many A$$holes Getting Angry.

just_sayin

JulesKorngold said:

Instead of revenge, Christians are instructed to:

• Love their enemies (Matthew 5:44)
• Forgive those who wrong them (Luke 6:27-31)
• Overcome evil with good (Romans 12:21)

Tell that to Trump who promises to punish all his enemies.  MAGA = Many A$$holes Getting Angry.

Are leftists afraid that Trump will do to them, what they did to him?  The left used the FBI and the DOJ to engage in lawfare.  The FBI was forced to admit that they planted secret documents at Mara Lago to take fake photos.  The FBI signed documents that the Biden laptop was Russian misinformation when they knew it was legit.  Even though no federal crime had been committed, NYC filed charges against Trump that aren't allowed without establishing a federal crime.  Lawfare has been used against Trump.  And anyone who misused their authority to falsely accuse someone of a crime, needs to be held legally accountable.  That's not revenge, that's justice, Jules.  There is a huge difference.  

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: It's Not Simple

@just_sayin

A different perspective:

1. Lawfare allegations: The term "lawfare" implies politically motivated prosecutions. However, the investigations into Trump have been conducted by professional law enforcement agencies and prosecutors following established legal procedures.

2. FBI and DOJ actions: There's no credible evidence that the FBI or DOJ engaged in improper conduct. The investigations were initiated based on legitimate concerns and evidence.

3. Mar-a-Lago documents: The claim that the FBI planted documents at Mar-a-Lago is unsubstantiated. The FBI executed a legal search warrant and found classified documents that should not have been there.

4. Hunter Biden laptop: Initial skepticism about the laptop's authenticity was due to concerns about potential disinformation campaigns, not a deliberate attempt to mislead.

5. NYC charges: State and federal jurisdictions can pursue separate charges for the same conduct. The New York case against Trump is based on state laws and doesn't require a federal crime.

6. Legal accountability: The justice system is designed to hold all individuals accountable, regardless of their political affiliation or position. This applies equally to Trump and any officials involved in investigations.

7. Democratic processes: The multiple investigations and legal proceedings against Trump have followed established legal procedures, with opportunities for defense and appeal.

Characterizing these legal proceedings as "lawfare" oversimplifies complex legal matters and undermines the integrity of our justice system. The focus should be on allowing the legal process to unfold fairly and impartially, rather than viewing it through a partisan lens.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Trump's Revenge

@just_sayin
Are you seriously denying Trump will try to get revenge??

Donald Trump has made numerous statements about seeking revenge against his perceived enemies if he returns to the White House:

1. Trump has repeatedly promised to use federal government power for "revenge, retaliation and retribution" against political opponents.

2. He stated "I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution".

3. Trump has threatened to prosecute Joe Biden, saying he "would have every right to go after them".

4. He's made at least 25 direct or implied threats on social media to target Biden with FBI raids, investigations, indictments, and jail time.

5. Trump has suggested using the Department of Justice against senators, judges, Biden family members, and non-governmental organizations.

6. He's threatened to prosecute "Democrats" and raid their homes, similar to the Mar-a-Lago search.

7. Trump has called his opponents "bad people" and "the enemy from within".

jack

just_sayin said:

Are leftists afraid that Trump will do to them, what they did to him?  The left used the FBI and the DOJ to engage in lawfare.

Hello just_: 

If ANY of that were true, we wouldn't have sent a feckless wimp like Merrick Garland out to engage in your so called "lawfare".  That should tell you all you need to know..  Du*de!

excon 

just_sayin

@JulesKorngold
So when the FBI and the Biden administration, and liberal DAs target Trump that's justice.  But if in the future, it is discovered that they targeted people for their political affiliations and the Trump administration rightly charges them and tries them, that won't be justice???  Seems like a double standard to me, @Jack.  Biden had top secret documents sitting unguarded in his garage, they didn't send a swat team to his home and arrest him.  The FBI did indeed plant cover sheets in photos they took at Mara Lago, they admitted this under Congressional Testimony.  

If you trust the FBI and government when it is run by those who cover up Biden's cognitive decline and where the cocaine came from in the white house, but default to thinking that legitimate prosecution of abuse of power is wrong, that seems like it is more of a personal issue.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: ?

@just_sayin
What does your reply have to do with revenge?

polytheistwitch

@JulesKorngold. "Tell that to Trump who promises to punish all his enemies.  MAGA = Many A$$holes Getting Angry."

You're the one who brought politics into the post. 

21CenturyIconoclast

@Marke


Marke, "The Embarrassed Runaway Pseudo-Christian!"

UPDATE FOR THE RUNAWAY FROM THE BIBLE MARKE!

Well, at least you are holding true to your runaway status now on DEBATEISLAND, where you cannot defend your faith in any way whatsoever as embarrassingly shown in the links below that you continue to run away from!:

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201575/#Comment_201575
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201524/#Comment_201524
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201396/#Comment_201396
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201668/#Comment_201668
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201775/#Comment_201775
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/201606/#Comment_201606

Marke, you must be so proud that you have now joined the ranks of RickeyHoltsclaw that couldn't defend Christianity as well, good for you Marke!

Unfortunately for you, is the fact that you don't have the logical sense to feel totally embarrassed that you have to run away from biblical axioms as shown in the links above, where you are an embarrassment to your Christianity, AND, this Religion Forum where you have absolutely no position to be here in the first place, BIBLE LOSER!



Marke, you are guilty of the following biblical passage because you are SATAN disguised in the angel of light because you have to run away from the Bible as shown in the links above!:

"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14)

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just_sayin

JulesKorngold said:

@just_sayin
What does your reply have to do with revenge?

Hey Jules, I'm not sure that what @Jack is arguing is really about revenge, or more about some people being afraid that they will be held accountable for abuse of power.  No one should engage in lawfare against someone just because they dislike them or because they don't share their politics.  

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin


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JUST_LYING, that is trying to take over RickeyHoltslclaw's position of being the Number One Bible Fool of this Religion Forum!


ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR BIBLE STU-PID QUOTES AGAIN:  "Should a Christian seek 'revenge'?  Both the Old and New Testament says to not do so."

Huh?  The Atheists have learned that you are as BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED as the runaway RickeyHoltsclaw, therefore you show us once again in how Bible inept you truly are regarding your embarrassing quote above! .... LOL!


Your brutal serial killer Jesus says for you to take revenge herewith, GET IT BIBLE DUNCE?!

1. JESUS AS GOD SAID:  "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH whether young or old, man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

2. JESUS AS GOD SAID:  "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. YOU SHALL STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) 

Just_LYING, obviously you have gotten used to you being so BIBLE STU-PID, but at your laughable expense in front of the Atheists that own you and your faith outright! BUT, you still remain upon this forum to be easily Bible Slapped Silly®️ by the renowned Atheists! .... ROFLOL!

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JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: So?

polytheistwitch said:

@JulesKorngold. "Tell that to Trump who promises to punish all his enemies.  MAGA = Many A$$holes Getting Angry."

You're the one who brought politics into the post. 

What's wrong with political debates?  Would you rather debate whether Jesus Christ wore a jock strap?

polytheistwitch

@JulesKorngold I'm not a Christian so I don't want to talk about Jesus at all I don't care if he wore a jockstrap or f***** men. This is the religion forum you brought up a topic and then you brought politics into it and then you bitched at somebody else who talked about politics. You don't know what the hell you're posting quit smoking pot before you post.

marke

@jack

If you are a conservative Christian then vengence belongs to the Lord.  If you are a democrat unbeliever vengence belongeth to the legal and judicial warriors in the democrat party.

Stephen

 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Deuteronomy 19:21

marke

@Stephen

Democrats show no pity for grandma praying inside the Capitol on Jan 6 because they have a false narrative they must stick to to hide their 2020 voting fraud.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Typical

@polytheistwitch
I appreciate your passion for this topic, but I respectfully disagree with your approach to this discussion. Personal attacks and unfounded accusations about drug use don't contribute to a meaningful debate. If you have specific objections to the content of my post, I'd be genuinely interested in hearing them. I'm open to a respectful exchange of ideas and would welcome the opportunity to understand your perspective better. Let's elevate this conversation to address the actual points of contention rather than resorting to insults.

polytheistwitch

@JulesKorngold Yeah that's why you mentioned Jesus in a jockstrap, POS.

just_sayin

Stephen said:

 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Deuteronomy 19:21

Hey, you actually hit on something relevant.  The full context of the passage:

16 If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, 17 the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. 18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a , giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, 19 then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. 20 The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. 21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

So, if someone intentionally tries to falsely accuse someone and they are found out, then they are to be punished as they attempted the person they falsely accused to be punished.  That doesn't bode well for several members of the Biden administration.  Thanks for the verse, it was very insightful - once the full context was shared.

JulesKorngold

@polytheistwitch
I didn't insult YOU, $CUMBAG.

jack

just_sayin said:

Hey Jules, I'm not sure that what @Jack is arguing is really about revenge, or more about some people being afraid that they will be held accountable for abuse of power.

Hello just_: 

What's so great about English is its precision..  So, you'll pardon me if I don't understand what you don't understand.  I was asking the Christians on this board, if they can BE a Christian IF they believe in revenge.  Then, I stood back and watched the dancing begin.  Because, of course, you simply CAN'T be a Christian if you believe in revenge.. 

Next!

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

Hey Jules, I'm not sure that what @Jack is arguing is really about revenge, or more about some people being afraid that they will be held accountable for abuse of power.

Hello just_: 

What's so great about English is its precision..  So, you'll pardon me if I don't understand what you don't understand.  I was asking the Christians on this board, if they can BE a Christian IF they believe in revenge.  Then, I stood back and watched the dancing begin.  Because, of course, you simply CAN'T be a Christian if you believe in revenge.. 

Next!

excon

I don't think you are really talking about revenge though.  You seem to be talking about taking legal action if someone misused their power to target their political opponents.  Revenge is a personal thing.  It seems like you are talking about legal actions that may be taken if individuals misused their authority.  That would not fit the definition of 'revenge'..  Instead that would be part of the justice process.  just sayin

jack

just_sayin said:

I don't think you are really talking about revenge though.  You seem to be talking about taking legal action

Hello just_:

So, you don't understand English, huh??  Du*de!

excon