HOW did we put a man of utterly irredeemable personal character into the White House??

just_sayin

Well, I think COVID-19 had a lot to do with it.  I think the lockdown and subsequent economic impact, helped Joe Biden to win the presidency, even if his cognitive abilities were questionable.  People wanted change from the year the 2020 election occurred, and Biden was the alternate candidate.  

jack

just_sayin said:

Well, I think COVID-19 had a lot to do with it. 

Hello just_:

I think it had more to do Nancy Pelosi wearing $4,000 dresses while championing the poor..

excon

PS>  OH, I get it..  You thought I was talking about Biden..  Very clever..

Stephen

jack said:

Hello:

HOW did we put a man of utterly irredeemable personal character into the White House??

 More people preferred him than they did a cackling hyena that only spoke world salad shite in-between her ill timed and incessant  forced cackling.
And why do you say "we" when you obviously do not include yourself among those that had finally come to their senses.?
I wish we had a Donald here in England.

Harris> “I can imagine what can be, and be unburdened by what has been,” 
        “I love Venn diagrams. I really do, I love Venn diagrams. It’s just something about those three circles and the analysis about where there is the intersection, right?”
 “I don’t know what’s wrong with you young people, you think you just fell out of a coconut tree,” 
 "We've got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to take this seriously."   

One of my favourites: 

‘It’s time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day'.      
She's joke. Not even her own side wanted her if the truth be told. 

jack

Stephen said:

More people preferred him than they did a cackling hyena

Hello S:

Nobody denies it.  He IS a monster.  But he’s your monster and you love him for it.

excon

MayCaesar

A more weighted perspective would be welcome. For one, I find his picks for DOGE to be excellent: Vivek is probably the best serious presidential candidate I have seen in a couple of decades, and Musk needs no introduction, the greatest enterpreneur since Rockefeller. These are not "deplorable sloths".

As for how Trump ended up getting elected... Well, how about the fact that his opponents were first an old vegetable who 90% of the time lacks awareness of his surroundings, and then a politician almost nobody liked smuggled in in complete disregard of the prior democratic process? The Democratic party has grown corrupt beyond comprehension, and it is understandable that someone might want to give Trump a chance again - especially since his first term was not nearly as disastrous as that of his successors.

It is bizarre that people just focus on how... questionable Trump's character is, without any regard for who his opponents are. As if it is automatic that anyone running against Trump is much better than him. No, it is not.

marke

@jack

Lefties are going mad over the fact that a republican got elected who does not support abortion murders, sexual perversion. heavy breathing boys in girls' shower rooms, male brutes shattering girls' bodies and records in women's sports, communism, socialism, depravity, racist hatred of whites, hatred of cops, black supremacy violence, high taxes and regulations, political crimes and corruption, and more.

Barnardot

@jack Well I don’t think you have to worry too much because Biden will be out in a few days time and a real President will take over. No more of that Nancy Boy stuff…Trump is a consummate politician born to lead and get things done.
Sure, Biden was an experienced politician and a great guy but he was no more than a stuffed-shirt administrator. We gave him a go but the stu*pid fu*ckwit forgot what he was doing. 

And just as well that sour-faced hormonal beach Harris didn’t get in. Who wants a President whose daughter goes around with hairy armpits and her pubes hanging out of her bikini bottom?

So make no mistake, Trump will take over where he left off and start running the country properly and make good on his promises. Sure, he is a total pr*ick but that is the sort of president we need going forward.

marke

@Stephen

Biden may well go down as the most incompetent and legally and morally corrupt president in US history.  Trump's main job is not to clean up the mess Biden made but to clean up the mess that made Biden.

Donovon

@marke

Oh Mark Isn't it coy you bring up sexual perversion and abortion in the same sentence. Because when it comes to Trumps abortion plan no exception for females any age raped or subjected to incest. But that isn't sexual perversion is it? Your party just garentees that such sexual perversion rewards victims with an unwanted reminder of the abuse they endured! Your same party bans abortions yet simultaneously refuses to fund foster care and social programs where these unwanted children go. But Biden is "Morally corrupt."
 

Donovon

@Barnardot

Oh poor Barnardot I can't believe you were forced to see kamilas step daughters arm pits how evil. And how you just had to zoom in to her bikini bottom to see her pubes outrageous.

Factfinder

Donovon said:

@marke

Oh Mark Isn't it coy you bring up sexual perversion and abortion in the same sentence. Because when it comes to Trumps abortion plan no exception for females any age raped or subjected to incest. But that isn't sexual perversion is it? Your party just garentees that such sexual perversion rewards victims with an unwanted reminder of the abuse they endured! Your same party bans abortions yet simultaneously refuses to fund foster care and social programs where these unwanted children go. But Biden is "Morally corrupt."
 

"heavy breathing boys in girls' shower rooms, male brutes shattering girls' bodies and records in women's sports, communism, socialism, depravity, racist hatred"

Odd, with all the things your opponent listed you @Donovon fixated on abortion. Suppose your progressive perspective is fine with the rest?

Donovon

@Factfinder
"Fixated?"
I read the first sentence found some hypocrisy and wrote about the contradicting policies.
I see if you can't debate my claim you ask for more material

Factfinder

Donovon said:

@Factfinder
"Fixated?"
I read the first sentence found some hypocrisy and wrote about the contradicting policies.
I see if you can't debate my claim you ask for more material

Isn't it coy you bring up sexual perversion and abortion in the same sentence. Because when it comes to Trumps abortion plan no exception for females any age raped or subjected to incest.
 

When you make a claim I'd be happy to debate it. Wait...No...Really? That's your "claim"? Abortions are to prevent the births from incest and rape? LOL, get real then maybe we can debate. You advocate abortion on demand do you not?

Abortion isn't a federal issue. Most states allow it, yet there's where you found "hypocrisy" eh? 

Donovon

"male brutes shattering girls' bodies."
Well I think you mean rape? I am against rape glad we can agree.

"heavy breathing boys in girls' shower rooms."
I think if you have biologically male parts you have no place in a female locker room. But if you have converted your parts to female through surgery you need access to a female locker room. Because your alternative as a transgender who has undergone gender conforming surgery is strutting into a male locker room artificial parts or not your still walking in with womanly parts therefore are subject to the same dangers as a regular female.

"and records in women's sports,"
Personally I say make a transgender sports coalition. 

"Communism and Socialism"
I also despise these ideologies.

"depravity, racist hatred"
You defined it as white racism
black supremacy violence
I do condone any of these actions racism and violence is deplorable in all of its forms.

Lets debate!

Barnardot

@Donovon ;Oh poor Barnardot I can't believe you were forced to see kamilas step daughters arm pits how evil. And how you just had to zoom in to her bikini bottom to see her pubes outrageous.

Don't get me wrong here. I would still do her. That body is to die for, and those specs give her a real nerdy look....oh yeah.

Factfinder

@Donovon

"male brutes shattering girls' bodies."
Well I think you mean rape? I am against rape glad we can agree.

Nope. That wasn't the meaning. Talking about men who have themselves mutilated and crush female skulls in sports like kickboxing was the point. 

"heavy breathing boys in girls' shower rooms."
I think if you have biologically male parts you have no place in a female locker room.

Well, very accommodating of you.

But if you have converted your parts to female through surgery you need access to a female locker room. Because your alternative as a transgender who has undergone gender conforming surgery is strutting into a male locker room artificial parts or not your still walking in with womanly parts therefore are subject to the same dangers as a regular female.

Wrong. No amount of surgery makes "female parts" out of "male parts". It's superficial mimicking meanwhile his upper body strength still gives "him" the advantage and is demeaning to women. He becomes a wolf in sheep's clothing. Pretend that's not an issue but it is. Get over it.

"and records in women's sports,"
Personally I say make a transgender sports coalition. 

As long as they're out of female sports as they aren't female. But even then the field won't be level amongst the transgenders.

"Communism and Socialism"
I also despise these ideologies.

Cool.

"depravity, racist hatred"
You defined it as white racism
black supremacy violence
I do condone any of these actions racism and violence is deplorable in all of its forms.

Agreed. Racism is deplorable.

Lets debate!

Okay, so what is the point you're trying to make?

Donovon

@Factfinder

It is a federal issue 
"Abortions are to prevent the births from incest and rape? LOL,"
In some cases yes

I do believe in abortion on demand but only in the first 6 weeks of a pregnancy. Why should a woman be forced to give birth to a child that is unwanted or will be born in unstable conditions or that will be immediately dumped into foster care as an infant? And though it is a state's debacle we have seen cases of women in dire financial stress who don't have time to drive hours to another state where it is legal. Even if they are hospitalized and have suffered a miscarriage states like Texas block life saving treatment because they have a full abortion ban. Which leads to the woman dead due to an already decaying fetus. Because an abortion is classified as removing of a fetus dead or alive In a full ban during a spontaneous miscarriage you've now lost 2 lives. Because miscarriage care and an abortions procedure are identical.

Donovon

@Factfinder

"No amount of surgery makes "female parts" out of "male parts". It's superficial mimicking meanwhile his upper body strength still gives "him" the advantage."

This is a transgender male to Female "fact finder" but no amount of surgery could mimick tits or as you referred to them female parts right and this is someone with extreme upper body strength capable of annihilating any opponent

                  
Blair white


Yes because no transgender female could possibly not have tremendous upper body strength, and all of the transgenders ever are extremely brutish strong and have the sole purpose to invade female shower rooms. As shown above I can't comprehend how you can generalize people to such a degree. Oh and I would love to hear you theory on female to male transgenders are they sneaking into male shower rooms to overwhelm men with there powerful womanly phemromes? Please inform me.

Factfinder

Donovon said:

@Factfinder

"No amount of surgery makes "female parts" out of "male parts". It's superficial mimicking meanwhile his upper body strength still gives "him" the advantage."

This is a transgender male to Female "fact finder" but no amount of surgery could mimick tits or as you referred to them female parts right and this is someone with extreme upper body strength capable of annihilating any opponent

                  
Blair white


Yes because no transgender female could possibly not have tremendous upper body strength, and all of the transgenders ever are extremely brutish strong and have the sole purpose to invade female shower rooms. As shown above I can't comprehend how you can generalize people to such a degree. Oh and I would love to hear you theory on female to male transgenders are they sneaking into male shower rooms to overwhelm men with there powerful womanly phemromes? Please inform me.

 Gee, wonder why you didn't use this pick?...



Could that be because it shows this person's obvious manly shoulders, masculine hands and physique? Where as the other one hides them better? Another dishonest debater, great that's all we need.

You would endanger millions of women in blind support of your lunacy. Hormonal treatments increasing estrogen in males to manipulate fatty breasts doesn't make them female breasts; just mimics them. Blaire White is a disturb, self mutilated male. And with the fists those hands make no doubt he'd take you, am I right?

I'm not here to educate you, I'm here to reject uneducated lapses of intelligence that proclaim a man a woman just cause he wants to identify as one, when he's not. 

No one said all transgenders are only motivated by getting into female locker rooms. Strawman arguments are typical of fringe woke ideology. Fact is it's well known and old news that women have gotten hurt bad in sports do to mediocre male athletes participating in female sports so if your education doesn't even consist of uncontested facts well you can't be educated. You're too gone into the indoctrinated fog bank. Real women don't want to compete against these males because it's unfair to them. You should have educated yourself before embarrassing yourself so.

How about you inform yourself instead? Like are you really dumb enough to foolishly think women to men transgenders compete at professional levels in all male contact sports? You truly think it's the same? Because if so I have some excellent swamp land and a bridge for sale if you're interested? ROLMAO

Donovon

@Factfinder
You've given me fuel "I'm not here to educate you, I'm here to reject uneducated lapses of intelligence."
Touche 

Now I revert to the science of things to the atomic quark of the matter
in hopes to educate you.

"manly shoulders, masculine hands and physique? "

Fascinating you used a side profile could'nt find any better shots?
Blair is weighed in at 5,5 and 205 pounds. while the average size of the American woman is 5,4 at 199 pounds. Also your comment about manly shoulders I refer you to the front profile I shared. Human anatomy that arm is fat not muscle if she were strong there would be clear side delts which would show a more circular shoulder and bigger bulge in the biceps you see the humerus (shoulder bone) which is not an indicator of strength but lack of.


"No one said all transgenders are only motivated by getting into female locker rooms." 
"superficial mimicking meanwhile his upper body strength still gives "him" the advantage and is demeaning to women. He becomes a wolf in sheep's clothing."
Huh what was I supposed to take away from this that "He" which was never clarified to be a specific person did not represent the entire male to female transies? Because proclaiming this unidentified "He" Is a wolf in sheep's clothing while saying "His" female transgender upper body strength gives "Him" the advantage. This was a response to me saying transgenders who have gotten gender affirming surgery have the right to go shower in a woman's you were referring too all transgenders. So if they are not trying to invade and assault woman in shower rooms, why are they a political spectical? what other motives are you referring to that justifies such hatred from people like you?



"Hormonal treatments increasing estrogen in males to manipulate fatty breasts." 
Its amusing "I'm a dishonest debater," yet you seem to have no knowledge of transgender medical procedures. Blair white has had breast augmentation also know as a breast implant. Gynecomastia is a medical condition where men can develop breasts. Yes she takes estrogen but estrogen cannot cause such enlargement of breasts estrogen is often used for more internal transitions. 
"that proclaim a man is a woman just cause he wants to identify as one, when he's not. "
When he's not
Yes his biological sex organs restrict such a title I agree they are not a naturally born a woman, the difference is I understand the science of this phenomenon that has been a common occurrence for thousands of years. Lets begin at conception you begin as a female so technically all men have estrogen and testosterone. In transgenders they have genetically altered estrogen or what they are refered to as estrogen variants which spurs confusion as your variant defines you as more feminine therefore this common mutation causes gender dysforia which sends brain transitions making you feel womanly. These people really do feel female as they have estrogen variants that can affect this. I don't see them as a threat but as people with a different conglamerat of genes.

"foolishly think women to men transgenders compete at professional levels in all male contact sports? You truly think it's the same?"

Also claiming I support transgenders in female sports coalitions well that's another lie from "fact finder"
2 days ago you responded to me stating how I believed in making a seprate transgender sports coalitions I want them bared from female sports just as much as you?so why are you bursting such rhetoric at someone who agrees with you? This is irrelevant to our debate. I mean half of your argument is something we agree on I don't know if this was just short term memory loss but I'm confused. 

Factfinder

 @Donovon

Also claiming I support transgenders in female sports coalitions well that's another lie from "fact finder"
2 days ago you responded to me stating how I believed in making a seprate transgender sports coalitions I want them bared from female sports just as much as you?so why are you bursting such rhetoric at someone who agrees with you? This is irrelevant to our debate. I mean half of your argument is something we agree on I don't know if this was just short term memory loss but I'm confused. 

I see.

And exactly at what point in your nonsense did you produce proof male tissue magically transforms to female tissue via surgical and chemical manipulation?  Which former part of the male organic tissue can now conceive and bring to term offspring? I miss that in your "honest debating". 

Cool you disagree with transgenders competing in female sports. Very female tolerant of you.

Donovon

Argument Topic: The exact mechanics of surgical chemical manipulation of male genitalia

It is improbable to expect any biological man can hold an embryo.

But how a male part can become a female part

Well its not a vag its considered a vulva it still has the appearance of a vag but it has difreant internal working. Its not a full working vag it can be still utilized in a sexual way its still similar to that of a biological woman.
You wanna know how they do surgery or the surgical manipulation

 I don't wanna get to graphic but they take tissue from the penial area (penis, testes, scrotum and urethra) and reshape it with a hole and everything I'de have to check but they do have a way of giving it hair so if you wanna know don't be afraid to ask
That is called a vulvoplasty but there are other methods of changing your bottom another popular option for male to female is a vaginoplasty but I'n not as educated on that one. Another important distinction to help understand the surgical process is a vag is more the fluids and internal workings while a vulva is the more of the exterior or appearance. So my point when I say its dangerous for transgenders who have switched to female to male through surgery is if they have bottom and top they under areas will look like a vag but not exactly perform like one but it definitely does not look like a surgical insicions after a certain amount of time. In some cases you can look like a woman if your smaller and not strong and be transgender with these procedures.

I also wanna say I understand why you think transgenders are faking but this is an internal dilemma its not a choice or something meant to disrespect or hurt women It's just science
but seriously I do respect you because if I thought transgenders were purposefully trying to hurt women and invade female shower rooms I would feel like a bad person if I did not try to defend them

also the chemical stuff will take a while to explain but
As someone who is trying to become a plastic surgeon if you want any more details I would be happy to explain.


 

Factfinder

Donovon said:

It is improbable to expect any biological man can hold an embryo.

But how a male part can become a female part

Well its not a vag its considered a vulva it still has the appearance of a vag but it has difreant internal working. Its not a full working vag it can be still utilized in a sexual way its still similar to that of a biological woman.
You wanna know how they do surgery or the surgical manipulation

 I don't wanna get to graphic but they take tissue from the penial area (penis, testes, scrotum and urethra) and reshape it with a hole and everything I'de have to check but they do have a way of giving it hair so if you wanna know don't be afraid to ask
That is called a vulvoplasty but there are other methods of changing your bottom another popular option for male to female is a vaginoplasty but I'n not as educated on that one. Another important distinction to help understand the surgical process is a vag is more the fluids and internal workings while a vulva is the more of the exterior or appearance. So my point when I say its dangerous for transgenders who have switched to female to male through surgery is if they have bottom and top they under areas will look like a vag but not exactly perform like one but it definitely does not look like a surgical insicions after a certain amount of time. In some cases you can look like a woman if your smaller and not strong and be transgender with these procedures.

I also wanna say I understand why you think transgenders are faking but this is an internal dilemma its not a choice or something meant to disrespect or hurt women It's just science
but seriously I do respect you because if I thought transgenders were purposefully trying to hurt women and invade female shower rooms I would feel like a bad person if I did not try to defend them

also the chemical stuff will take a while to explain but
As someone who is trying to become a plastic surgeon if you want any more details I would be happy to explain.


 

Right. But someone born a male will always be male despite human intervention after the fact. That's my point. The pronoun of preference doesn't change that reality. 

Nothing against plastic surgery.  

JulesKorngold

@Barnyardidiot said:  Trump will take over where he left off and start running the country properly and make good on his promises. 

Loving Trump and hating Mother Teresa.  Go figure.

Donovon

@Factfinder

Yes, they will always have some amount of testosterone so biologically they are male I think that's what you mean?

MayCaesar

Donovon said:

It is improbable to expect any biological man can hold an embryo.

But how a male part can become a female part

Well its not a vag its considered a vulva it still has the appearance of a vag but it has difreant internal working. Its not a full working vag it can be still utilized in a sexual way its still similar to that of a biological woman.
You wanna know how they do surgery or the surgical manipulation

 I don't wanna get to graphic but they take tissue from the penial area (penis, testes, scrotum and urethra) and reshape it with a hole and everything I'de have to check but they do have a way of giving it hair so if you wanna know don't be afraid to ask
That is called a vulvoplasty but there are other methods of changing your bottom another popular option for male to female is a vaginoplasty but I'n not as educated on that one. Another important distinction to help understand the surgical process is a vag is more the fluids and internal workings while a vulva is the more of the exterior or appearance. So my point when I say its dangerous for transgenders who have switched to female to male through surgery is if they have bottom and top they under areas will look like a vag but not exactly perform like one but it definitely does not look like a surgical insicions after a certain amount of time. In some cases you can look like a woman if your smaller and not strong and be transgender with these procedures.

I also wanna say I understand why you think transgenders are faking but this is an internal dilemma its not a choice or something meant to disrespect or hurt women It's just science
but seriously I do respect you because if I thought transgenders were purposefully trying to hurt women and invade female shower rooms I would feel like a bad person if I did not try to defend them

also the chemical stuff will take a while to explain but
As someone who is trying to become a plastic surgeon if you want any more details I would be happy to explain

Eh, no, it is not similar at all. If you talk to any transgender person who has undergone full SRT including the penial inversion part, then you will learn that they have significantly dulled sex drive and sexual sensations, experience chronic pain when peeing (which, as far as I can tell, never fully goes away)... And these are probably the smallest of their problems. The havoc the HRT wreaks on one's psychology is immense. I have never met a past-HRT transgender person who would be happy with their life by their own admittance. Many would say that they are less miserable than they were before the HRT, but from the pain in their voice you can tell that they do not fully believe in it themselves. Some end up de-transitioning, going through the painful process again, only in reverse - and they are a shell of their former selves as a result.

I strongly suspect that the whole approach to the transgender phenomenon practiced on the West today is completely wrong. All research and experience shows that chemical and surgical transition does immense harm to virtually all aspects of the organism. The phenomenon should be taken seriously and with due care, and it clearly is not.

It would make more sense to cultivate the culture in which people whose biological sex does not match their (genuine) gender identity are accepted for what they are, without invasive procedures. I am cool with a biological man who looks and sounds fully like a biological man asking me to call him "she": why not? This is a much more reasonable approach than taking a scalpel and making him permanently infertile. Even if that was the only effect of this (and that, arguably, is a pretty minor effect compared to some other effects), it would already be a horrifying side effect, worse than what 10 years of hardcore alcoholism produces in this respect.

That thousands, potentially millions, of people are going through this, encouraged by their doctors, teachers, peers and sometimes even parents - is NOT okay. That is a massive tragedy.