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Las Vegas shooting Sunday October 1 2017

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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    It would seem so. Forever a lost soul. @evidence
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • OakchairbcOakchairbc 88 Pts   -  
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/
    @Evidence, who is this guy having a chat with? Seems he's responded to someone, can't figure out who exactly. 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -  
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/


    @Oakchairbc I don't think I understand your reply here? Are you saying you believe this event happened as the media is making it out to be?

    True, anyone could post a job add on Craigslist, but it just adds to the already ridiculous, and even funny plot. That's why I posted it as I did, .. a joke, in the "News" Forum.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Evidence said:
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/


    @Oakchairbc I don't think I understand your reply here? Are you saying you believe this event happened as the media is making it out to be?

    True, anyone could post a job add on Craigslist, but it just adds to the already ridiculous, and even funny plot. That's why I posted it as I did, .. a joke, in the "News" Forum.
    He said there was footage of paddock and a bellman getting his luggage up to his room, I didn't see that, did you? @Oakchairbc can you present this evidence? A news station saying so is not infallible. 
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Evidence said:
    Oh wow, so "Wake" got banned?
    He did.
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    Evidence said:
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/


    @Oakchairbc I don't think I understand your reply here? Are you saying you believe this event happened as the media is making it out to be?

    True, anyone could post a job add on Craigslist, but it just adds to the already ridiculous, and even funny plot. That's why I posted it as I did, .. a joke, in the "News" Forum.
    He said there was footage of paddock and a bellman getting his luggage up to his room, I didn't see that, did you? @Oakchairbc can you present this evidence? A news station saying so is not infallible. 

    Yes, it seems "They" are very busy ad hoc-ing new evidence as they go, to keep the story alive. Just like their science organization NASA does on the Mars Rover. Aren't they the same people?

    Like the one I just seen where this elderly woman is in the hospital after the shooting asking; "When can I go home?"
    What they left out was what she said before that: "Why the hell am I here, .. and when can I go home?"

    I guess that's what happens when they hire these cheap actors and tell them to round up and load a bunch of people in the back of their trucks, and rush them to the hospital, ..  these poor souls don't have a clue why their there??  lol
    Erfisflat
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -  
    Evidence said:
    Oh wow, so "Wake" got banned?
    He did.


    I don't know, .. but somehow I just hate it when someone gets banned!? Heck, he was making us Flat Earthers look real good, .. like Coveny.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited October 2017
    Evidence said:
    Evidence said:
    Oh wow, so "Wake" got banned?
    He did.


    I don't know, .. but somehow I just hate it when someone gets banned!? Heck, he was making us Flat Earthers look real good, .. like Coveny.
    Indeed, he only made us look good. Like Coveny

    What doesn't kill you... makes you stronger... 

    As far as I can tell, he is the only one who has been banned, besides someone who made 20 accounts to spam ads. This site has only been around for about 11 months
    Evidence
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Evidence said:Erfisflat said:
    Evidence said:
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/


    @Oakchairbc I don't think I understand your reply here? Are you saying you believe this event happened as the media is making it out to be?

    True, anyone could post a job add on Craigslist, but it just adds to the already ridiculous, and even funny plot. That's why I posted it as I did, .. a joke, in the "News" Forum.
    He said there was footage of paddock and a bellman getting his luggage up to his room, I didn't see that, did you? @Oakchairbc can you present this evidence? A news station saying so is not infallible. 

    Yes, it seems "They" are very busy ad hoc-ing new evidence as they go, to keep the story alive. Just like their science organization NASA does on the Mars Rover. Aren't they the same people?

    Like the one I just seen where this elderly woman is in the hospital after the shooting asking; "When can I go home?"
    What they left out was what she said before that: "Why the hell am I here, .. and when can I go home?"

    I guess that's what happens when they hire these cheap actors and tell them to round up and load a bunch of people in the back of their trucks, and rush them to the hospital, ..  these poor souls don't have a clue why their there??  lol
    You said they were loading people in the back of trucks to get them to hospitals, but here are 3 perfectly good empty stretchers here.


    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • This forum isn't even a debate anymore it has become an echo chamber. No use to using a debate site if your only talking to people you agree with
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited October 2017
    This forum isn't even a debate anymore it has become an echo chamber. No use to using a debate site if your only talking to people you agree with

    Oh Hi Dawn. I see you're back. The only people who challenged it where Oak and Wake. Oak just called us insane, and Wake just called us insane alongside threatening us. Could you prove the shooting really happened? Thank you. 
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -  
    This forum isn't even a debate anymore it has become an echo chamber. No use to using a debate site if your only talking to people you agree with

    I'll debate you @DawnBringerRiven ; seen any blood yet from this event? The only blood we've seen was the suckers who were MK-ultra'd to give their blood at the bank!? But I'll give a thumbs up if you can show us a picture of a bloody victim, .. victim, .. victim, .. !?
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    Evidence said:Erfisflat said:
    Evidence said:
    1) Being being confused and disoriented after a life threatening tragedy is the norm. There is a reason why anecdotes are in the logical fallacy category it is because they are unreliable. Strike 1. 
    2) Not only is there video of the shooter carry luggage up to his room but a bellman while working helped the man bring luggage to his room[1]. Strike 2.
    3) Sorry you finding a job add literally has nothing to do with the topic. Its a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Strike 3.


    [1]http://www.ktnv.com/welcome?redirect=http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/high-roller-perk-may-have-been-reason-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay&referrer=https://www.google.com/


    @Oakchairbc I don't think I understand your reply here? Are you saying you believe this event happened as the media is making it out to be?

    True, anyone could post a job add on Craigslist, but it just adds to the already ridiculous, and even funny plot. That's why I posted it as I did, .. a joke, in the "News" Forum.
    He said there was footage of paddock and a bellman getting his luggage up to his room, I didn't see that, did you? @Oakchairbc can you present this evidence? A news station saying so is not infallible. 

    Yes, it seems "They" are very busy ad hoc-ing new evidence as they go, to keep the story alive. Just like their science organization NASA does on the Mars Rover. Aren't they the same people?

    Like the one I just seen where this elderly woman is in the hospital after the shooting asking; "When can I go home?"
    What they left out was what she said before that: "Why the hell am I here, .. and when can I go home?"

    I guess that's what happens when they hire these cheap actors and tell them to round up and load a bunch of people in the back of their trucks, and rush them to the hospital, ..  these poor souls don't have a clue why their there??  lol
    You said they were loading people in the back of trucks to get them to hospitals, but here are 3 perfectly good empty stretchers here.




    LOL, .. just waiting for a passer by: "Hey you, .. wana lay on the stretcher? Give you $20 !? No, .. darn."
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    This forum isn't even a debate anymore it has become an echo chamber. No use to using a debate site if your only talking to people you agree with
    An echo chamber would be repeating the same thing. We are discussing several points, awaiting any would be challengers. 
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  •  I can't really prove this happened as I wasn't there and don't have first hand accounts to go on.  I guess I could say it would be unrealistic for the hundreds of people attending the concert to be in on the same act. Even if they were, I don't think they would have actors in the crowd that would not pretend to be scared
    (This man with a beer flips off the Vegas shooter) 
    If you think its fishy because no cameras captured blood in the media, its possible those parts were censored in the news to keep it veiwer friendly. There are videos showing blood out there. https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a9a_1507067645
    SilverishGoldNova
  • I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • This could easily just be a guy that looks like him. Or is a video of Paddock before the shooting. As the video says don't jump to conclusions
  • This could easily just be a guy that looks like him. Or is a video of Paddock before the shooting. As the video says don't jump to conclusions
    Hmm. That very well is possible. It's very well possible its him before he went into hiding as part of his agreement with the government.
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • EvidenceEvidence 814 Pts   -   edited October 2017


    Hey buddy, did you notice the shooters brothers address? The shooter was on the 32 (degree) floor, he was 64 years old half of that is 32, the brothers address is 320, and many other references to 32, .. but of course just a coincidence like Dawn suggests, ..  like the Big Bang??
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -   edited October 2017
     I can't really prove this happened as I wasn't there and don't have first hand accounts to go on.  I guess I could say it would be unrealistic for the hundreds of people attending the concert to be in on the same act. Even if they were, I don't think they would have actors in the crowd that would not pretend to be scared
    (This man with a beer flips off the Vegas shooter) 
    If you think its fishy because no cameras captured blood in the media, its possible those parts were censored in the news to keep it veiwer friendly. There are videos showing blood out there. https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a9a_1507067645
    This video doesn’t definitively prove anyone has died. It shows people who appear to have been hit … including some that bystanders say were hit in the head but are still breathing (is this even possible?). Some blood is present in this video, but even the person in the video points out that there are "no entry wound or exit wounds. It also shows more of that bright red “blood” that was used during the Boston marathon false flag bombing. I would so love to post some screenshots of some obvious acting flaws, but due to tos I'll refrain myself. I'll just bring up a few points. From 500 yards (Several football fields) away, the spray would be incredibly large. These injuries seem to be all within a few yards of each other, suggesting this was a staged area, which is likely The only reason we don't even see a trace of blood in the other photos. The person in the video stated the obvious at the beginning. "No entry wounds, no exit wounds". The guy is holding a camera and running around globelessly checking pulses and touching people (pretty useless). Last but not least, the spit bubble guy is great.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • @Erfisflat Yes it is possible for a person to breath after being shot in the head. Different parts of your brain control different parts of your body. It is entirely possible to even be shot in the head and stand up and walk it off. It just matters which part of the brain is damaged. Also, re watch the part where the man talks about the exit wound. He never said entry. He only said there wasn't and exit wound on *one* person. Not every wounded person he passed by. It makes complete sense that many individuals who were shot would be on close proximity to each other. The gunman wasn't flailing the gun around while he was shooting in random spasms. Even if he was, he was using automatic guns. The bullets are bound to hit people next to each other. 
    ErfisflatOakchairbc
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    @DawnBringerRiven

    Come now, you're really pushing the limits on my bullsh!t detector. I can not find any examples or claims of anyone being hit in the head with a high velocity automatic weapon from 500 yards and walking away from it. I suppose it may be possible, though pretty farfetched. 

    Yes, just as I stated, after re-watching the video,the man says at just a few seconds into the video, the very first alleged victim, "I see no entry wound, I see no exit wound. I don't know how to treat. I see no entry wound and no exit wound. (3rd time) I see no entry wound, I see no exit wound."

    "Not every wounded person he passed by."

    But there are no wounds at all in the video. This being a liveleak unedited video, we would expect to see some evidence of wounds other than blood poured everywhere.

    "It makes complete sense that many individuals who were shot would be on close proximity to each other. The gunman wasn't flailing the gun around while he was shooting in random spasms."

    I'm assuming you have very little knowledge about firearms. When firing automatic weapons, the is something called recoil, which causes the gun to bounce, for a lack of a better word, and each shot, over distance, would be spread out, especially at 500 yards. This means that there should be wounded and dead littering the field everywhere. Your video shows a small area of people seemingly shot, and nowhere close accounts for the supposed numbers being claimed dead or injured. 

    Honestly, if you believe this man is trying to help these people carrying a phone around touching them and not trying to quickly document a few fake wounds, there is no convincing you of the truth.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    @SilverishGoldNova I just noticed they took down the first video of proof of a 4th floor shooter. Can't seem to find it anywhere now.
    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -   edited October 2017

    So the hired a few actors to blend in with a crowd. Played some shots over the PA of the gig they were paid to infiltrate and set up a few scenes and a storyline for the media.
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooting-youtube-hoax-conspiracy-theories

    "‘When I see my wife fighting for her life with a gunshot wound to her chest and my daughter was also shot, it’s pretty conclusive evidence that it did happen’" Now who is this person, or is it just a made up quote, because I wouldn't mind an explanation? Regardless its an anecdotal fallacy.


    fea
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Usually when Isis or terrorism is mentioned in the media, there's something going on, anyone following the truck hitting cyclists in ny?
    fea
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • feafea 76 Pts   -   edited November 2017
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooting-youtube-hoax-conspiracy-theories

    "‘When I see my wife fighting for her life with a gunshot wound to her chest and my daughter was also shot, it’s pretty conclusive evidence that it did happen’" Now who is this person, or is it just a made up quote, because I wouldn't mind an explanation? Regardless its an anecdotal fallacy.


    Im back, how are you doing friends?

    That entire article is a bunch of anecdotal (and appeal to emotion) fallacies. Erfisflat said:
    Usually when Isis or terrorism is mentioned in the media, there's something going on, anyone following the truck hitting cyclists in ny?
    If there's instant coverage on every major news outlet, and immediate calls for strict gun control, or in this instance, stricter assault vehicle control, it's likely a false flag.
    SilverishGoldNova
  • JoePineapplesJoePineapples 138 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:

    3. Crisis/crowd actors hired weeks before the shooting, ad is now removed. Archived at 
    http://archive.is/hlQdr
    Other crisis actor site remains.
    https://crowdsondemand.com/

    According to that link, the ad was posted 9 days after the shooting. Are the actors also time travellers?
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited November 2017
    fea said:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooting-youtube-hoax-conspiracy-theories

    "‘When I see my wife fighting for her life with a gunshot wound to her chest and my daughter was also shot, it’s pretty conclusive evidence that it did happen’" Now who is this person, or is it just a made up quote, because I wouldn't mind an explanation? Regardless its an anecdotal fallacy.


    Im back, how are you doing friends?

    That entire article is a bunch of anecdotal (and appeal to emotion) fallacies. Erfisflat said:
    Usually when Isis or terrorism is mentioned in the media, there's something going on, anyone following the truck hitting cyclists in ny?
    If there's instant coverage on every major news outlet, and immediate calls for strict gun control, or in this instance, stricter assault vehicle control, it's likely a false flag.
    Just because reality keeps rejecting your fetish ideology doesn't mean there is a grand conspiracy to make you look like a fanatical tool. You do that just fine yourself. 


    @Oakchairbc You give up buddy? :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question:  :grey_question: Oh wait, you gave up as soon as you started. 
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

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  • Erfisflat said:
    @Evidence
    Yes, I too fell for the Alex Jones' shillery/division tactics, quickly realizing he was just enticing anger. I personally like his previous acts better now.



    Did you see what's going up on the national mall, facing an obelisk???

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/09/28/45-foot-tall-statue-of-nude-woman-to-stand-on-National-Mall/1431506617124/

    Alex Jones is like TFES: They both try to incite anger and mix truth with lies and satire to make truther movements seem... backward and (With Alex Jones, its stuff like saying that chemtrails are meant to turn frogs gay, "NWO is opening thousands of portals to ancient demons", etc)
    Evidence
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:

    3. Crisis/crowd actors hired weeks before the shooting, ad is now removed. Archived at 
    http://archive.is/hlQdr
    Other crisis actor site remains.
    https://crowdsondemand.com/

    According to that link, the ad was posted 9 days after the shooting. Are the actors also time travellers?
    Not sure where you're seeing that at.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    @JoePineapples

    I posted The article on the 3rd, if I can timetravel, so can anyone else.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited November 2017
    @Erfisflat I'm 100% sure that the Boston Marathon Bombing is fake. I'd say the same for the Sandy Hook, Paris, and Las Vegas shootings, and possibly the gay club shooting in Orlando. I tried to argue with my sister earlier about Orlando. She said that I was either (insert ad hominem here) or (insert extreme strawman here) (aka "dumb" or "homophobic and wanted to kill gay people"), and that I need to stop watching Alex Jones (strawman), further stating that she would punch me if I didn't stop watching Alex Jones (Appeal to fear and yet another strawman) and that it was important to her because it was the biggest attack on gay people and that I shouldn't question something important to her (appeal to emotion). The rest of arguments were "It was real cuz uh... cuz uh....UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. It was real lol"

    Also, there was another 'shooting" in Texas. I'm sure its probably just another false flag attack, but we'll have to wait and gather up the evidence.

    PS: I hope those gay chemtrail frogs (which were created by Alex ShillJones) find acceptance with the other frog communities.
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    @Erfisflat I'm 100% sure that the Boston Marathon Bombing is fake. I'd say the same for the Sandy Hook, Paris, and Las Vegas shootings, and possibly the gay club shooting in Orlando. I tried to argue with my sister earlier about Orlando. She said that I was either (insert ad hominem here) or (insert extreme strawman here) (aka "dumb" or "homophobic and wanted to kill gay people"), and that I need to stop watching Alex Jones (strawman), further stating that she would punch me if I didn't stop watching Alex Jones (Appeal to fear and yet another strawman) and that it was important to her because it was the biggest attack on gay people and that I shouldn't question something important to her (appeal to emotion). The rest of arguments were "It was real cuz uh... cuz uh....UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. It was real lol"

    Also, there was another 'shooting" in Texas. I'm sure its probably just another false flag attack, but we'll have to wait and gather up the evidence.

    PS: I hope those gay chemtrail frogs (which were created by Alex ShillJones) find acceptance with the other frog communities.
    You'll have to forgive me if I have no clue what shooting or frogs you're talking about I don't subject myself to much television programming. Will look into it.
     
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    @Erfisflat I'm 100% sure that the Boston Marathon Bombing is fake. I'd say the same for the Sandy Hook, Paris, and Las Vegas shootings, and possibly the gay club shooting in Orlando. I tried to argue with my sister earlier about Orlando. She said that I was either (insert ad hominem here) or (insert extreme strawman here) (aka "dumb" or "homophobic and wanted to kill gay people"), and that I need to stop watching Alex Jones (strawman), further stating that she would punch me if I didn't stop watching Alex Jones (Appeal to fear and yet another strawman) and that it was important to her because it was the biggest attack on gay people and that I shouldn't question something important to her (appeal to emotion). The rest of arguments were "It was real cuz uh... cuz uh....UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. It was real lol"

    Also, there was another 'shooting" in Texas. I'm sure its probably just another false flag attack, but we'll have to wait and gather up the evidence.

    PS: I hope those gay chemtrail frogs (which were created by Alex ShillJones) find acceptance with the other frog communities.
    You'll have to forgive me if I have no clue what shooting or frogs you're talking about I don't subject myself to much television programming. Will look into it.
     
    Something I heard when I was falling for the Alex Jones shillery after going through older videos of his. I made a new facebook, a bunch of my friends were share bombing it.
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  • Evidence said:
    Evidence said:
    Oh wow, so "Wake" got banned?
    He did.


    I don't know, .. but somehow I just hate it when someone gets banned!? Heck, he was making us Flat Earthers look real good, .. like Coveny.
    Indeed, he only made us look good. Like Coveny

    What doesn't kill you... makes you stronger... 

    As far as I can tell, he is the only one who has been banned, besides someone who made 20 accounts to spam ads. This site has only been around for about 11 months
    I'm glad he was banned frankly.

    It's obvious you're either a troll or insane when:

    You are comparing people who disagree with you to murderers and child rapists
    You are saying you hope they get killed by police or raped in prison if they disagree with you
    Not just insulting people who disagree with you, but also people who agree with you for the fun of it
    Posting a debate saying everyone online should be forced to publish their address in order to prevent people from disagreeing with you
    Saying you will "show some blood" if Erf shares his address

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  • WilliamSchulzWilliamSchulz 255 Pts   -  
    Is this to say that the Vegas shootings were a hoax, or am I missing something by reading these arguments? 
    Erfisflat
    A good debate is not judged by bias, but in the context of the debate, where objectivity is key and rationale prevalent. 


  • WilliamSchulz said:

    The las vegas shooting was a hoax
    Erfisflat
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  • WilliamSchulzWilliamSchulz 255 Pts   -  
    But didn't actual deaths occur? I understand that there is a lot of room to make stories up, but considering the whole nation was in mourning and there were over 200 confirmed deaths, wouldn't that at least make the event not a hoax?
    A good debate is not judged by bias, but in the context of the debate, where objectivity is key and rationale prevalent. 


  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -   edited December 2017
    But didn't actual deaths occur? I understand that there is a lot of room to make stories up, but considering the whole nation was in mourning and there were over 200 confirmed deaths, wouldn't that at least make the event not a hoax?
    Actually, the casualty count was 58 people dead and 546 injured, making it the 6th most deadly attack recorded.

    1Garissa University College AttackGarissa, Kenya2015148
    2Peshawar School MassacrePeshawar, Pakistan2014141
    3November 2015 Paris AttacksParis, France2015130
    42011 Norway AttacksOslo, Norway201167
    5Westgate Shopping Mall AttackNairobi, Kenya201367
    62017 Las Vegas ShootingLas Vegas, Nevada, USA201758

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-history.html


    WilliamSchulz
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    @WilliamSchulz

    Ya, nobody died, maybe the perpetrator. 
    WoodenWoodSilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • But didn't actual deaths occur? I understand that there is a lot of room to make stories up, but considering the whole nation was in mourning and there were over 200 confirmed deaths, wouldn't that at least make the event not a hoax?
    There were 60 non-existent deaths, to correct you.

    As @Erfisflat said nobody died, except perhaps the "perpetrator" 
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    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • WilliamSchulzWilliamSchulz 255 Pts   -  
    But didn't actual deaths occur? I understand that there is a lot of room to make stories up, but considering the whole nation was in mourning and there were over 200 confirmed deaths, wouldn't that at least make the event not a hoax?
    There were 60 non-existent deaths, to correct you.

    As @Erfisflat said nobody died, except perhaps the "perpetrator" 
    Hum, I kinda more agree with CYDdharta on this one, I don't think the government would purposefully lie to us. However, I understand that I may have miscalculated the death tolls, so I would like to thank CYDdharta for the clarification. Can you show me why it is a hoax, though. I read an argument about the lack of blood, and I would say the reason there being no blood is because of local efforts to clean up so that when the event was aired, some people who are faint of heart would be able to handle the scene. What are your thoughts?
    A good debate is not judged by bias, but in the context of the debate, where objectivity is key and rationale prevalent. 


  • @WilliamSchulz ;

    Crisis actors hired before the shooting

    http://archive.is/hlQdr
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  • WilliamSchulzWilliamSchulz 255 Pts   -  
    @WilliamSchulz ;

    Crisis actors hired before the shooting

    http://archive.is/hlQdr
    I'm sorry, I tried getting on the site but it was blocked by my administrator. Can you give some quotes or copy / paste the argument so that I can read it through?

    I've also never heard the phrase "crisis actor" can you tell me more about it? I would assume since it was a musical performance that there would be security, but not actors taking the place of real fans at the concert.
    A good debate is not judged by bias, but in the context of the debate, where objectivity is key and rationale prevalent. 


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