The earth is ball shaped

Erfisflat

Better yet, out of respect for the old OP, post your most persuasive arguments here.

@Zombieguy1987

Erfisflat

@Zombieguy1987
"1.He says the reason the major nations signed a treaty about Antarctica is for "Scientific purposes" but is to keep people from falling to their deaths. Which is wrong because most of our drinking water is from Antarctica, and humans melted the artic, we'd be since all the fresh water would be mixed with saltwater and we'd all die"

This is a false statement, most of our drinking water does not come from Antarctica.

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-we-bottle-fresh-water-from-Antarctica

But I fail to see how this is relevant. Can you tell me how "saltwater would be mixed with freshwater, and we'd all die" proves the earth is flat?

"2. He says there's a giant dome, which makes no sense, because how would humans have been able to get to space if this dome covers the earth?"

They haven't. Have you?

"3. He points out how the U.N logo is a flat earth. The reason is it's the UNITED NATIONS. you know nations from all CONTINENTS! It would be difficult to show all the continents on a round logo"

This is also largely irrelevant. That map was also just talked about before you jumped in with the Star trek appeal to the stone fallacy.
 
"4. He says the earth is an infinite plain, which from the space photos astronauts have taken clearly don't show that."

He said it could be. But just out of curiosity, show one photo of earth as a ball.

"5. He says gravity doesn't exist, and if that were the case, what's keep us from floating away then?"

The molecules that make up your head are denser that the air above it. Are you saying that if the earth were flat that we'd also be floating around? Why?

"6. He compares the size of the earth when Vsauce said if the earth was flat, it would become round anyway to a BASKETBALL! That comparison is just indefensible"

You ever met a really bad story/joke teller? What is the original point?


"7. Ah the whole "The bridge is curved, but the ocean isn't!" trope. He fails to realize the reason the bridge is curved is so it doesn't fall apart"

This is just incoherent.

Erfisflat

@Zombieguy1987 maybe this was a bad idea. It seems like you have the mind of an 8 year old. Can you put up any logical arguments that prove the earth is a ball?

Zombieguy1987

You can see the curvature clearly in this picture


This is the sinking horizon observation 
 
Oh look, that video that you tried to use as a "counter" is getting bashed on YouTube for how astronomically awful and false it is
Give Erfistflat a flat of applause please


Oh this is funny

When the Flat Earth Society says "We have members all around the globe" and the guy who typed that realizes
"wait. Did I just say globe?" 
Breaking News: Flat Earther returns to reality after realizing that the brainwashing has worn off

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-15

Erfisflat

"You can see the curvature clearly in this picture"

You can clearly see a 200 foot gorilla kidnapping a white chick.

You or I will ever see either one with our own two eyes.



This is the sinking horizon observation 



Trump card with the video analasis of a ship apparently going over the horizon. It's called atmospheric refraction.

 
Oh look, that video that you tried to use as a "counter" is getting bashed on YouTube for how astronomically awful and false it is
Give Erfistflat a flat of applause please"

And you dropped your rebuttals from the videos. Let's try again: why do YOU think you live on a ball spinning around at 1,000 miles per hour?


Both (spotlights sun, and the ridiculous idea that Australia and Africa experience daytime at the same time) are strawman positions that you
 A) you probably don't understand
are not my claims, and 
C) do not prove the earth is a ball.


When the Flat Earth Society says "We have members all around the globe" and the guy who typed that realizes
"wait. Did I just say globe?" 
Breaking News: Flat Earther returns to reality after realizing that the brainwashing has worn off

The flat Earth society is a controlled opposition group meant to discredit the true flat Earth movement, it only works on the noobs. This doesn't prove the earth is a globe.

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-15


You'll find the debunks here. All of them. Probably more than once apiece.

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/1451/earth-is-a-ball

Erfisflat

Zombieguy1987 said:

You can see the curvature clearly in this picture


This is the sinking horizon observation 
 
Oh look, that video that you tried to use as a "counter" is getting bashed on YouTube for how astronomically awful and false it is
Give Erfistflat a flat of applause please


Oh this is funny

When the Flat Earth Society says "We have members all around the globe" and the guy who typed that realizes
"wait. Did I just say globe?" 
Breaking News: Flat Earther returns to reality after realizing that the brainwashing has worn off

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-15

Erfisflat

Your replies are awaited. Would you like me to refute the stick guys' video?

@Zombieguy1987

Erfisflat

@Zombieguy1987 you marked some fallacies, care to identify them?

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

The earth is ball shaped

This debate is for anyone who thinks they can prove that we live on a spinning ball. I'm open to any and all arguments pertaining specifically to the shape of the earth, and axial rotation.

Hey, why not reach out to some real life astronaut's and see if they can educate you on your debate? 

NASA could help.

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

The earth is ball shaped

This debate is for anyone who thinks they can prove that we live on a spinning ball. I'm open to any and all arguments pertaining specifically to the shape of the earth, and axial rotation.

Hey, why not reach out to some real life astronaut's and see if they can educate you on your debate? 

NASA could help.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

You're not one of those NASA fanboys are you? You think you've seen the earth as a ball?

Erfisflat

You probably believe there are satellies "orbiting" the earth too.

Erfisflat

" you're an odd ball."

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Says the guy going around asking everyone dumb questions.

"You definitely go out of your way to use this website to feed your attention seeking needs."

Likewise, and you've just conceded that you can't think of a logical reason to think the earth is a ball.

@TTKDB

But hey, you managed to get through one post without a question

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

Oh my God, another manchild who likes to push the fallacy adhominem word play.

You have dropped all arguments and are left with calling me an oddball, and manchild. This is by definition ad hominem. If you concede, say so, but don't ad hominem, it's childish.

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

Verbally carrying on over the earth, with your earth is flat dialogue, to aggravate the public of this website into giving you a conversation over your profile name is inane, it shows how emotionally lazy your brain is.

Get over yourself Mr. Erf. 

How many college Degrees do you maybe have? 

Last time I checked, this was a debate platform, which the main purpose is to call to attention subject matter that one is interested in, and have logical discourse, and is not "inane", but a staple in debating. Your quasi-psycological evaluations of random users here is counterproductive and trolling. Using phrases like "emotionally lazy", which you likely have no idea what it is, or how it even applies to anyone in debate format, is a tell-tale sign that you are just here to sidetrack meaningful discourse and give you a false sense of superiority over anyone who disagrees with you. 

Once more, since you've decided to red herring my OP, what logical reason do you have for thinking that you live on a ball?

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

This from you is what a person who likes to have his way with a conversation and not a debate looks like Mr. ERF.

"Last time I checked, this was a debate platform, which the main purpose is to call to attention subject matter that one is interested in, and have logical discourse, and is not "inane", but a staple in debating."

This is the third website where the word Debate via how some apparently like to treat it like it bathroom toilet paper. 

I've seen the pro weed crowd on another website flaunt the words "freedom of choice" in the face of the law making the weed users drug of choice illegal.

So in that instance, freedom of choice via how some of the weed users treated freedom of choice, is another example of how the term freedom of choice got treated like toilet paper as well.

I'll look ok up emotionally lazy, and get the definition for you, if you'd like? 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

This from you is what a person who likes to have his way with a conversation and not a debate looks like Mr. ERF.

"Last time I checked, this was a debate platform, which the main purpose is to call to attention subject matter that one is interested in, and have logical discourse, and is not "inane", but a staple in debating."

This is the third website where the word Debate via how some apparently like to treat it like it bathroom toilet paper. 

I've seen the pro weed crowd on another website flaunt the words "freedom of choice" in the face of the law making the weed users drug of choice illegal.

So in that instance, freedom of choice via how some of the weed users treated freedom of choice, is another example of how the term freedom of choice got treated like toilet paper as well.

I'll look ok up emotionally lazy, and get the definition for you, if you'd like? 

Another troll post that has nothing to do with the OP. 

Definition of troll:

"A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect. 
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread. "

As this is the third irrelevant post in a row, you are now marked as a troll, and unless you can figure out how to form a logical and coherent argument that is on topic, your posts will be as trolling.

TTKDB

@Erfisflat: 

Who comes up with such a forum theme like this one?

"This debate is for anyone who thinks they can prove that we live on a spinning ball. I'm open to any and all arguments pertaining specifically to the shape of the earth, and axial rotation."

And your lead off question is this:

"The earth is ball shaped"

You're the troll who using this website to troll over it with your the earth is flat attitude? 

Yes or no?

Want to have a debate over that Mr. Erf? 

Are you one if those flat Earth enthusiasts? 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat: 
Thanks
Who comes up with such a forum theme like this one?

"This debate is for anyone who thinks they can prove that we live on a spinning ball. I'm open to any and all arguments pertaining specifically to the shape of the earth, and axial rotation."

And your lead off question is this:

"The earth is ball shaped"

You're the troll who using this website to troll over it with your the earth is flat attitude? 

Yes or no?

Want to have a debate over that Mr. Erf? 

Are you one if those flat Earth enthusiasts? 

You have no reason to call me a troll, simply because you disagree with me. I am a scientist, and I have measured the earth, and found it to be motionless and flat. If you have any reason to believe that you live on a spinnning ball, please state so, this is the reason for this debate. Stop trying to derail the conversation, troll. I have defined troll, and pointed out how you repeatedly meet the definition.

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

From The Guardian;

"Flat-Earthers are back: 'It’s almost like the beginning of a new religion'"

"YouTube videos and spiffy websites espouse the conspiracy theory – but is the movement doomed to once again fall flat over countless schisms?"

Care to comment on the above Erfisflat? 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:
Thanks
From The Guardian;

"Flat-Earthers are back: 'It’s almost like the beginning of a new religion'"

"YouTube videos and spiffy websites espouse the conspiracy theory – but is the movement doomed to once again fall flat over countless schisms?"

Care to comment on the above Erfisflat? 

Certainly! I am willing to refute ANY logical reason to believe that we are on a spinning ball.

 Care to give one?

Erfisflat

@Zombieguy1987

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

Are you a part of the earth is flat movement? 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

Are you a part of the earth is flat movement? 

I guess you could technically say that, I do know the earth is flat, and I feel it necessary to break the taboo associated and have honest discourse on the subject. That said, I may not hold the same positions as the rest of the community, outside of the earth not being a ball, and the surface of the bodies of water on the earth are flat.

TTKDB

@Erfisflat: 

The movement doesn't make sense to me.

And when phrases like "conspiracy theories and it's almost like the beginning of a new religion" are being expressed in it's direction, it makes some take a cautious view on the earth is flat commentary, conversation, or movement altogether. 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat: 

The movement doesn't make sense to me.

And when phrases like "conspiracy theories and it's almost like the beginning of a new religion" are being expressed in it's direction, it makes some take a cautious view on the earth is flat commentary, conversation, or movement altogether. 

It didn't make sense to me either, about 3 years ago, until I had a look at it with an unbiased and opened mind. It wasn't long after, and continues today, that I measured the earth myself, and I now can say matter of fact you that the water is flat on earth, and it couldn't possibly be a ball. "The Guardians'" biased opinion on the matter doesn't concern me in the slightest. The mainstream will seemingly stop at nothing to dismiss the idea of a flat earth, mostly without even examining a shred of evidence. 

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

"The mainstream will seemingly stop at nothing to dismiss the idea of a flat earth, mostly without even examining a shred of evidence."

Are you lumping in the likes of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, or fox news as parts of the mainstream media concept thay you say are dismissing the idea of a flat Earth? 

I would love to see one news media outlet story from any of the above.

Versus being educated about the idea of a flat Earth via a website that has debates as a part of it's dynamic? 

Do you have any evidence from those nationwide news media outlets? 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

"The mainstream will seemingly stop at nothing to dismiss the idea of a flat earth, mostly without even examining a shred of evidence."

Are you lumping in the likes of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, or fox news as parts of the mainstream media concept thay you say are dismissing the idea of a flat Earth? 

I would love to see one news media outlet story from any of the above.

Versus being educated about the idea of a flat Earth via a website that has debates as a part of it's dynamic? 

Do you have any evidence from those nationwide news media outlets? 

The mainstream media is bought and paid for, belonging to just a few parent corporations. You could ask any representatives from any of those sources and they will scoff at the idea of a flat earth, as you and zombie do, even before hearing the first argument, or examining the first bit of evidence. Upon hearing said arguments or seeing said evidence, one will likely experience extreme cognitive biases, as I myself did, three years or so ago.

Erfisflat

@TTKDB

So, after asking repeatedly, you still can't give a valid reason for me to believe we are stuck to the side of a spinning ball that is travelling at 800 miles per second in several directions simultaneously?

beckysmith

 Erfisflat it seems like your biggest argument is that we have not seen the curvature of the earth with our own two eyes yet? Are you saying that all geologists, rocket scientists and just scientists in general are all studying nonsense?

Also, Elon musk plans to bring humans into space within his lifetime (within 20 years or so) what do you have to say about that?

beckysmith

Erfisflat said:

@TTKDB

So, after asking repeatedly, you still can't give a valid reason for me to believe we are stuck to the side of a spinning ball that is travelling at 800 miles per second in several directions simultaneously?

gravity. have you ever taken a physics class?

Erfisflat

beckysmith said:

 Erfisflat it seems like your biggest argument is that we have not seen the curvature of the earth with our own two eyes yet? Are you saying that all geologists, rocket scientists and just scientists in general are all studying nonsense?

Also, Elon musk plans to bring humans into space within his lifetime (within 20 years or so) what do you have to say about that?

Well, yes, we have never seen curvature with our eyes. This is empirically verifiable data. On the contrary, when we measure the earth, or more often, the water that makes up most of the earth's surface, we find that the amount of curvature required on a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference is absent. From this we can safely say that the earth is definitely not a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference, as modern astronomy claims.

To say that geologists, who study the earth, but not the shape of it, and scientists in general are studying nonsense would be a bit far-fetched, as hardly anyone is studying the shape of the earth, until now. I am a scientist that studies the shape of the earth, and I find it flat, as do other scientists.

Elon Musk is full of it. You really believe he put a car into orbit? Do you know what temperature the thermosphere is claimed to be? Do you know what happens to balloons that go to "the edge of space"? Consider these, then consider a car has rubber tires. What temperature does rubber start to melt?

Erfisflat

beckysmith said:

Erfisflat said:

@TTKDB

So, after asking repeatedly, you still can't give a valid reason for me to believe we are stuck to the side of a spinning ball that is travelling at 800 miles per second in several directions simultaneously?

gravity. have you ever taken a physics class?

I have, and I'm aware of the theory of gravity, and the pseudocientific claims of astrophysics.

Erfisflat

Everyone tune in tonight for a view of an asteroid skimming very close to imaginary ball earth from NASA's "Virtual telescope"!

You seriously can't make this sh!t up.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1012390/Asteroid-FP118-live-stream-watch-asteroid-approach-online/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1012390/Asteroid-FP118-live-stream-watch-asteroid-approach-online

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

, does your ideological attitude even have a beef with NASA? 

"Everyone tune in tonight for a view of an asteroid skimming very close to imaginary ball earth from NASA's "Virtual telescope"!"

And you know how to modify curse words to suit your point of view making needs? 

"You seriously can't make this (sh!t) up."

Look at your exemplary use of the English language, via how you treat various words? 

Erfisflat

", does your ideological attitude even have a beef with NASA?"

I don't think attitudes can have "beef", but since I am saying that NASA is full of it, naturally I would... Point?

"And you know how to modify curse words to suit your point of view making needs?"

View making "needs"? You are not making sense. Are you trying to get attention? Your posts are 100% strawman, and 90% incoherent. Example:

Look at your exemplary use of the English language, via how you treat various words? 

Why is there a question mark at the end of this statement? It's ironic that you are badgering me for censoring a curse, while you butcher the English language.

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

, does your ideological attitude even have a beef with NASA? 

"Everyone tune in tonight for a view of an asteroid skimming very close to imaginary ball earth from NASA's "Virtual telescope"!"

And you know how to modify curse words to suit your point of view making needs? 

"You seriously can't make this (sh!t) up."

Look at your exemplary use of the English language, via how you treat various words? 

Ampersand

Erfisflat said:

Everyone tune in tonight for a view of an asteroid skimming very close to imaginary ball earth from NASA's "Virtual telescope"!

You seriously can't make this sh!t up.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1012390/Asteroid-FP118-live-stream-watch-asteroid-approach-online/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1012390/Asteroid-FP118-live-stream-watch-asteroid-approach-online

Hmm, people using powerful telescopes, recording what they see then making it publicly available so everyone can experience actual astronomy rather than just posting ridiculous claims on the internet.

I can see why you don't like it.

Also well done on not even being able to read newspaper articles. The virtual telescope project isn't affiliated with NASA, NASA just spotted the asteroid that the project is going to observe. Doesn't mention at any point in the article that the two are linked.

Erfisflat said:

Both (spotlights sun, and the ridiculous idea that Australia and Africa experience daytime at the same time) are strawman positions that you
 A) you probably don't understand
are not my claims, and 
C) do not prove the earth is a ball.

What an awful attempt at a rebuttal. Your unevidenced claims =/= evidence. 

In fact if you'd bothered to check you'd see that Africa and Australia do get daylight at the same time for several hours at the start of the year.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/alice-springs?month=1&year=2018
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/south-africa/cape-town?month=1&year=2018

Feel free to check on any other resource, they all say the same.

7.5 hour difference between Cape Town and Alica Springs (and I could have chosen locations in the countries far closer together) and they get over 11.5 hours of sunlight each, ergo they share 4 hours of sunlight.

Now according to your claims and your evidence the earth is a flat disc with the sun rotating and sitting roughly above the equator. That makes no sense when compared to the daylight we actually receive as shown in the examples above which do correlate with actual observed daylight.

Of course the ultimate proof is that the spherical earth is the only available model, It's testable and answers every question and is able to meet the scientific standard of making predictions based on its model and getting them right again and again and again and again.

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

, non flat earth information for you,

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round.

And I had no idea that a human being could have a beef with the very planet that he lives on?

Are you going to USE this website to protest the earth itself for not being in accordance with your the earth if flat ideology? 

TTKDB

@Erfisflat: 

, do you realize that you an adult being borderline babied over your earth is flat ideological stance?

 

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

Correction: I meant this:

, you do realize that (you're) an adult being borderline babied over your earth is flat ideological stance?

Erfisflat

What an awful attempt at a rebuttal. Your unevidenced claims =/= evidence. 

What an awful attempt at a rebuttal. If you had only pulled your head out of your arse and read my post before commenting, again (https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/24631/#Comment_24631 and https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/23634/#Comment_23634), you'd see that those "b. are not my claims, and 
C) do not prove the earth is a ball."

"In fact if you'd bothered to check you'd see that Africa and Australia do get daylight at the same time for several hours at the start of the year."

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/alice-springs?month=1&year=2018
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/south-africa/cape-town?month=1&year=2018

Feel free to check on any other resource, they all say the same.

7.5 hour difference between Cape Town and Alica Springs (and I could have chosen locations in the countries far closer together) and they get over 11.5 hours of sunlight each, ergo they share 4 hours of sunlight.

Thanks for catching that, I meant south America, which has about 12:30 hours in difference.

"Now according to your claims and your evidence the earth is a flat disc with the sun rotating and sitting roughly above the equator. That makes no sense when compared to the daylight we actually receive as shown in the examples above which do correlate with actual observed daylight."

It isn't always above the equator, it makes a bigger circle in the December solstice, and a tighter circle in the June solstice.

"Of course the ultimate proof is that the spherical earth is the only available model,"

Lie, well maybe to you.

" It's testable"

Lol, testing the curved water now? Is it concave or convex?

" and answers every question and is able to meet the scientific standard of making predictions based on its model and getting them right again and again and again and again."

Except for:

1.eclipses (https://debateisland.com/discussion/1205/the-eclipse-debunks-the-globe-heliocentric-model-of-the-universe)
2. the motions of the moon and earth combined (https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/21329/#Comment_21329) 
3. Curved water, or lack thereof
4. the flat horizon at any practical altitude (aka reality), 5.lack of measureable motion,
6.the lack of specular highlight on the moon,
7. how a light from the yellow part of the spectrum (the sun) can reflect light in the silver part of the spectrum (the moon)
8. why the moonlight is cold, and makes fire burn hotter, while the sun's light is hot and is a fire deterrent
9. Selenelions
10. Currents and wind patterns
Many more

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

, non flat earth information for you,

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round.

And I had no idea that a human being could have a beef with the very planet that he lives on?

Are you going to USE this website to protest the earth itself for not being in accordance with your the earth if flat ideology? 

That link was already addressed, in case you missed it, I've refuted that article repeatedly. If you feel I am in error, copy one of the points for personal discussion. Otherwise, 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/4505/#Comment_4505

Erfisflat

I'm actually not answering any more questions about me or my person, or nonsensical or incoherent babbling questions. Thanks for understanding.

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

You started the conversation.

So in summary, you have a beef with NASA, a beef with some of the mainstream media, you have a beef with the earth itself, and you have a beef with any science that stands in opposition to your earth is flat ideology? 

What say you? 

Via this website, you educated me on the earth is flat ideology. 

Erfisflat

TTKDB said:

@Erfisflat:

You started the conversation.

So in summary, you have a beef with NASA, a beef with some of the mainstream media, you have a beef with the earth itself, and you have a beef with any science that stands in opposition to your earth is flat ideology? 

What say you? 

Via this website, you educated me on the earth is flat ideology. 

I asked for a conclusive reason for any rational mind to believe he were on a spinning ball. My position is that I don't believe everything I'm told, especially about the shape of the earth, simply because there is no evidence for it. This is not the same as having "beef" with anyone. I could care less about NASA, I find them hilarious., I could care less about the media, I ditched the TV long ago, I don't have beef with the earth, because I know it's true shape, and I am currently in search of any "science" that stands in opposition to the flat Earth facts to no avail.

What say you on the topic?

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

Simple your super scientific self is using this website to get your  earth is flat attitudinal and opinion filled show on starring yourself and using this website as your backdrop while gandering on with your earth is flat ideological monologue.

What did NASA personally ever do to you?

What has some of the mainstream media personally ever done to you?

What has this planet ever personally done to you? 

But boy, you do know how to platform your ideology don't you, you earth is flat super scientist? 

Please continue to entertain the rest of the website Mr. Super Scientist.

Keep churning. 

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

I don't believe everything I'm told either.

But it's curious for a fair amount of years now, how various individuals with their idealogies have gathered at this or that website, to in a sense express their (individual talking points) to whoever is maybe present on a website to listen to their one sided opinion and attitude about this or that subject matter? 

Some examples;

The anti religious crowd?
(They verbally go after God, Jesus, and the Bible on a near daily basis?)

The pro recreational weed crowd?
(Taxation and revenue, and their use of the history of alcohol legalization to help promote the legalization of recreational weed use atop of that history?)

The pro illegal drug crowd?
(More taxation and revenue talk.)

Some of the above, view certain websites that aren't in support of their ideologies as being biased towards their individual points of view? 

The catch 22 question is this, when a person expresses this or that point of view, a question comes mind.

Is this or that ideology pro society oriented, or is it coming across as more individual ideology oriented? 

Erfisflat

"Simple your super scientific self is using this website to get your  earth is flat attitudinal and opinion filled show on starring yourself and using this website as your backdrop while gandering on with your earth is flat ideological monologue."

More personal attacks. Nothing I give is opinionated, aside from the relentless barrage of irrelevant questions. Once again you ignore my purpose here. I'm trying to prove the earth is a ball, or giving the debate island community a chance to do so, I think there may have been some information that I missed. Some people are here to talk about gun control, some about president Trump. You just seem to be here to play 20(0) questions (and ignore the answers to such).


"What did NASA personally ever do to you?"

My daughter brought home her first dictionary. She bought it at the book fair with my new she saved from her allowance washing dishes. Like me, she has an interest in reading and literature. On the cover, was this.


https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/187_1003705_americas_dxm.png

The dictionary is a representative of knowledge, not unlike the browser buttons, that people clicked to access the wealth of information that is the world wide web.

https://www.flaticon.com/free-icons/globe

Shortly after, I saw the dictionary lay on the table and seeing it from the bottom side up,

I noticed this in the corner.




My daughter was 9.

So, not only is NASA lying to us, they're contributing to the process of MKULTRA on the masses, not excluding children. You may be fine with like, I'm just not.


"What has some of the mainstream media personally ever done to you?"

Liars.

"What has this planet ever personally done to you? "

Really? Do you remember asking this same incoherent question in your last post? Did you ignore the response?

"But boy, you do know how to platform your ideology don't you, you earth is flat super scientist? "

You seem to be at a loss in this debate, literally. 

"Please continue to entertain the rest of the website Mr. Super Scientist.

Keep churning. "

Why are you here?

TTKDB

@Erfisflat:

, you're not debating, what you're doing is called "ideology pushing."

The mainstream media are 's?

Where's your evidence?

You expressing that they are 's to you is not evidence, it's your opinion and not fact.

NASA is lying? Same thing, where's your evidence? 

So when you lack evidence, you seem to be at a loss for having a debate, right? 

Why are you here?

You're here behind the guise of having a debate to promote your earth is flat ideology, right? 

Yes or no? 

TTKDB

@Erfisflat: 

MKULTRA: Maybe when you mention an name, have some source material to go along with the point of view you're making?


https://www.amazon.com/MKULTRA-Program-Experimentation-Behavior-Modification/dp/0961647582

Erfisflat

", you're not debating, what you're doing is called "ideology pushing."

Maybe you are confused as to what a persuade me debate is. The OP poses a claim that he requests other users to convince him of. For example, if I were to create a pro marijuana persuade me debate and claim that the government quietly admits that cannabis cures cancer, then it would be your job to convince me otherwise. Your first 2-3 posts were in line with this line of debate, but since, you've done nothing but pose nonsensical questions.


"The mainstream media are 's?

Where's your evidence?"

That is off topic. This is another debate altogether. This is what is considered trolling, whether or not you know it or not, you persistently ask non related questions and avoid the topic altogether.

"You expressing that they are 's to you is not evidence, it's your opinion and not fact."

I don't feel it necessary to prove anything to you in a debate where I ask you to prove something to me.

"NASA is lying? Same thing, where's your evidence?"

Same as above.

"So when you lack evidence, you seem to be at a loss for having a debate, right? "

Pose that question to yourself now. This is a persuade me debate about the shape of the earth. NOT the mainstream media, NOT NASA.

"Why are you here?

You're here behind the guise of having a debate to promote your earth is flat ideology, right? 

Yes or no? "

I'm here to try and get you to think for yourself. And the point of this debate is to give me ONE good reason why you believe the earth is a ball, despite not having seen a shred of evidence for it.