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What Do You Think May Lie Beyond the Edge of Our Observable Universe?

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Roughly 13.75 billion years ago, our universe came into existence. Very shortly thereafter, primordial light started shooting across the cosmos and spreading throughout the early universe. At this juncture, the universe itself was also expanding. The inflation of the universe slowed after the first initial burst, but since then, the rate of expansion has been steadily increasing due to the influence of dark energy.

Essentially, since its inception, the cosmos has been growing at an ever increasing rate. Cosmologists estimate that the oldest photons that we can observe have traveled a distance of 45-47 billion light-years since the Big Bang.

That means that our observable universe is some 93 billion light-years wide (give or take a few light-years). These 93 some-odd billion light-years contain all of the quarks, quasars, stars, planets, nebulae, black holes…and everything else that we could possibly observe; however, the observable universe only contains the light that has had time to reach us.

How can the universe be 93 billion light-years across if it is only 13.8 billion years old? Light hasn’t had enough time to travel that far…? Ultimately, understanding this facet of physics is the key to understanding what lies beyond the edge of the observable universe and whether we could ever get there.

To break this down, according to special relativity, objects that are close together cannot move faster than the speed of light with respect to one another; however, there is no such law for objects that are extremely distant from one another when the space between them is, itself, expanding.

In short, it’s not that objects are traveling faster than the speed of light, but that the space between objects is expanding, causing them to fly away from each other at amazing speeds.

Ultimately, this means that we could only reach the edge of the observable universe if we develop a method of transport that allows us to either

(1) Travel faster than the speed of light (something which most physicists think is impossible) or

(2) Transcend space time (by using wormholes or warp drive, which most physicists also think is impossible).

According to the theory of cosmic inflation, the entire universe's size at least 10^23 times larger than the size of the observable universe.
That’s a lot of universe that we are missing.

So, what *exactly* are we missing?
What is outside the observable universe?
Unfortunately, since we can’t see it or measure it, we don’t know what lies beyond the bounds of the observable universe.
However, we have several theories regarding what exists in the great unknown.

Original article that asks this very question posted By Jolene Creighton in 2014 for Hard Science.

What are your theory's on this topic?

Cheers from:

Haydn.E.Sheldon













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  • Outside the observable universe rests outer space. Roughly 940 km multiplied by 13.75 billion is a length at a velocity of 107,208 km/h we can be use as a duration for comparison in a circular circumference providing opportunity for human observation. Time translation.

    Basic Time Translation - A distance set within circumference that is observable whereas  motion never travels out of observational view to leave speculation.

    According to Special Relativity nothing can move faster than Pi due to the theory of Albert Einstein which leaves Pi generally relative to both Energy and Mass on two sides of a mathematic theoretic equations as common facture.

    Besides options 1 & 2 there is a 3rd way to reach the end of any observable universe. Change the use or abuse of definitions, observable universe scale can include the ability to confirm any observation from earth with a satellite from the point of observations perspective back to earth. It is unrealistic to believe the scale of outer space is so fixed as black hole, sun, solar system, galaxy, observable universe, unobservable universe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_orbit

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_orbit

    Haydn_E_SheldonDr_Maybe
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -  
    It is a very difficult subject to discuss. Recall that we always look at the Universe in the introspective; that is, all photons that reach us from distant parts of the Universe were emanated a very long time ago. When we talk about the "observable Universe", we sometimes mean two very different things: the Universe which we can observe today, and the Universe which in principle exists today and the photons from which will eventually reach Earth.

    The first one is as large in light years as our Universe is old in years, that is approximately 14 billion years in radius. The second one is what the ~90 billion years estimate refers to. The first one is fairly trivial, so I will be talking about the second one specifically.

    What happens is this: the Universe expands, and the expansion rate is proportional to distance from our location to the point. Once that distance becomes large enough, the expansion becomes faster than the speed of light. However, it is not this point that the observable Universe ends: it turns out that, due to some interesting properties of our space, the observable Universe actually extends into a part of the region where the expansion is faster than the speed of light. It is a very interesting and somewhat counterintuitive notion, and you need to get a feel of the mathematics involved to understand why this is the case.
    However, once we go far enough in distance, the expansion becomes too fast for the light to counteract it, and at that point the Universe becomes non-interactable by us.

    And since the rate of expansion slowly increases, this implies that some of the regions that are a part of the observable Universe today, will no longer be observable in the future. The expansion "swallows" outer parts of the "sphere" which is the observable Universe, so the observable Universe slowly loses its parts.

    If we were to extend our theoretical consideration to the part of the Universe that has already been "swallowed" by the expansion, then it would look pretty much the same as the rest of the Universe. Some intelligent civilisation living 10 billions light years away from now would see pretty much the same Universe around them as we do, just with different stars, galaxies, etc. - however their observable Universe would only partially intersect with others, so they see parts of the Universe that are "gone" from our observable Universe.

    These things are very difficult to process mentally, because we do not have an intuitive concept of space-time from our everyday lives. How can one easily understand that there are parts of the Universe which we will never see, yet at the same time we can see as far into the "past" as we would like, theoretically to the very moment of the Big Bang? Personally, I think of it in terms of pure models, and do not try to visualise it all.
    Haydn_E_SheldonPlaffelvohfen
  • @MayCaesar Very informative reply I enjoyed reading it thank you.
    We have only one choice in trying to solve such big questions as this.
    We must allow our minds to make that intellectual leap into explaining that to which we may never be able to see known as interstellar space.

    Everything and Nothing, but what is everything once you move far beyond what we can see?




    Dr_Maybe
  • @John_C_87 Very informative reply I enjoyed reading it thank you.We have only one choice in trying to solve such big questions as this.
    We must allow our minds to make that intellectual leap into explaining that to which we may never be able to see known as interstellar space.

    Everything and Nothing, but what is everything once you move far beyond what we can see?


    Dr_Maybe
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    @Haydn_E_Sheldon There is simply more Universe void life beyond this Universe which is created for a specific purpose by our Creator then it will be destroyed by fire and reshaped and reformulated for His purposes (2 Peter 3:10). There is no other life in Time other than what is present on the Earth as God sums up all things unto Himself for His Plan and His purposes for Time and Eternity. The Holy Spirit has articulated God's Plan for Time within the Scriptures.
    AlofRIDr_MaybePlaffelvohfensmoothiexlJ_dolphin_473
  • Dr_MaybeDr_Maybe 138 Pts   -  
    What Do You Think May Lie Beyond the Edge of Our Observable Universe?
    There could be things that don't exist in the part we can see that exist somewhere beyond the visible part of the universe. There are some unusual things in the visible universe like the Great Attractor and the LQG (large quasar group) so who knows what might be out there. I think for the most part though it's probably just more of the same things we see now.


  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  

    Just more Universe extends beyond the known Universe. There was never a Big-Bang and our Universe is only 6-thousand-years-old and it was created by elements from the unseen spiritual world that our Creator formed into matter and used as the basic-building blocks for all that is seen and unseen by creatures constrained by Time. God created the Heavens and the Earth for a very specific purpose as articulated within the Scriptures and He will do away with the Heavens and the Earth as by fire as we know them when His purpose for same has been completed (2 Peter 3:10). 




    smoothieHappy_Killbot
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    You are clearly in the wrong. Everybody knows that the Universe is 17 days old. The memories from before 17 days ago have been implanted in us by the creator!
    xlJ_dolphin_473
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD You are a young earth creationist?

    This just keeps getting better!

    If there is more universe beyond the particle sphere ( which seems likely ) which we will never see nor interact with under known physics, why would a god created it? After all, since we will never and can never see it, he could just leave it blank, containing nothing and that would be fine because no matter what we can never see it.

    This is before we even begin to talk about how ridiculous it is to think the world would be destroyed in fire, since a large portion of the matter in the universe is plasma such as stars. You can not destroy a star with fire. In fact, even if you scorched the surface of every potentially life-bearing world life would just re-emerge, in case you were not aware fire typically creates water.

    The kind of stupidity that is young earth creationists is on the same level as flat earth nuts!

    You wouldn't also happen to be one of those too are you?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot ; The Bible does not teach a flat Earth. All that we see in this Universe constrained by Time finds its origin in the Spiritual World which is not visible to human KIND. The Earth is but 6k-yrs old and God has told us and dated the Earth for us through His genealogy provided in the Gospel of Luke: https://creation.com/6000-years 



  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD Then why are so many flat earthers also creationists?

    I know you don't give a S**t about science and logic, but seriously the evidence against the notion that the earth is only 6,000 years old is false. All the evidence, hard evidence, says otherwise.

    Even if you take a creative approach, which is to say that the world just poped into existence all of a sudden with everything exactly the way things were in reality 6000 years ago, complete with all the people and their memories exactly how they were, ( something that could have happened 20 minutes ago ) For all pragmatic purposes, it would make no sense to think it wasn't billions of years old because everything is behaving as if it were.

    The bible is meant to be interpreted metaphysically in case you missed the memo.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot ; I know nothing about the "flat earth" movement. How does the 2nd-Law of Thermodynamics play into billions-of-years and why would God take billions of years to create? He is God. If you're interested in why God has created Time, matter, this Universe and YOU...see my article on this subject at: In the Beginning God - Why? https://rickeyholtsclaw.com/2017/09/27/in-the-beginning-god-why/

    Why not read and rebut?



  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is sometimes violated at small scales. It is only valid on macroscopic systems where the average of all interactions makes it so. Think about it like rolling 2 dice, where you subtract one value from the other, then add it to your last roll and repeat a large number of times, you will get about 0, and the more you roll the closer to 0 you will get. Reality is like that, even though we don't experience it that way. Quantum is weird.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/second-law-of-thermodynam/

    There are some flat earthers who refuse to accept the roundness of the earth based on scripture, you know, because it's morally relative and what not.

    If I ever use any of the content from your blog, it is going to be to impersonate you to make as bad a name for Christians as I can. You are of more use to me as a pawn than an debate partner, especially in this matter. I have realized you are more useful to the cause of making atheists, being as you are such an insufferable bigot. If you really need a purpose in life to justify your existence, then I, having accepted that there is no purpose unless you make it, will get to decide what your purpose is.

    The people who invented organised religion, were undoubtedly aware that they made it up for their own gain.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot ; My existence and its purpose is to warn you that you are dying in sin and seeking death in Hell and unless you repent of sin and seek forgiveness for same by grace thorough faith in Jesus Christ, you will die without hope and you will die in futility.


    xlJ_dolphin_473
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD Very good. I need you to keep believing that.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot ; What you need is to humble yourself and seek Jesus Christ as Lord with your whole heart before the Age of Grace expires for you and it's too late for your redemption.


  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD And you need to keep denying the truth, ignoring facts, and living in a false reality. You are my pawn.
    smoothie
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot ; I'm telling you by God's Spirit...if you die in your sin you die without hope! Jesus Christ as Lord is the only Way to life in God's Kingdom!


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    Aliens, if you are reading this... I apologise for humanity. We are still primitive apes in many ways. Please do not eradicate us just yet and give us a chance. We can grow out of this!
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