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Spiritual Warfare: Atheism v. Christianity - Should the Christian Fight or Compromise with Society?

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Spiritual Warfare: Should the Christian Fight or Compromise?


A contributing Atheist in these forums has criticized/rebuked my perceived "radicalized" Christian intolerance for the Atheist and accuses me of insulting the entire community of Atheists without knowledge. My response...

1) Faith in Christianity gets you nothing but faith in a group of sinners redeemed by grace (unmerited favor) through faith (trusting-believing) in Jesus Christ. There are "many" who claim the title "Christian" who have no idea of what it means to actualize a relationship with God the Father by trusting in the Son, Jesus Christ, for the mediation of sin thereby receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Seal and Guarantor of this relationship that is affirmed and valid for Eternity (Matthew 7:21-23; Ephesians 1:13; John 3:16).

2) It is our actions in this life that have eternal consequences in the more tangible and purposeful life that is to come in Eternity (Ecclesiastes 12:14; Ezekiel 18:30). My words are the words of Scripture and the words that the Holy Spirit gives me to write and to speak (1 John 2:27; Matthew 10:19). I am not concerned about what man thinks of my positioning and the Truth and the consequences of those words - I am obligated to my Lord Jesus Christ, the Father, the Holy Spirit, alone (Psalm 118:8-9). I have told you Truth and I have warned you in the Spirit that you are presently headed to a death in sin and you will ultimately die a second death in your resurrected body and soul subsequent to the Judgment of the Condemned unless you STOP living the lies of demonic atheism, humble yourself, repent of your sin and with diligence and purity of heart trust and obey Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior of and over your life (Revelation 20:11-15; Matthew 10:28; John 8:24; 3:36; 3:16).

3) Every single man and woman who claims the title "Atheist" is a (Romans 1:18-32), a deceiver, a servant of Satan (even if unaware) and they, in their totality-group think, are advocates for and/or participants in the mutilation of babies in the womb; atheists are advocates for or participants in the defiled deathstyle of LGBTQ; atheists are advocates for or participants in the pursuit of socialism-Marxism i.e. death and suffering in American society; atheists are advocates for or participants in the proselytizing for Satan by seeking the soul and mind and body of others, even our children, to follow them in the ways of demonic evolutionary theory, rejection of the God who created them and ultimately seeking others to follow them to the Portal to Hell (Ephesians 2:1-3; John 8:44).

In conclusion...

The Atheist is a petulant, debased, vile, perverse, bloody, enemy of our God, Jesus Christ, as they are in alliance with Satan i.e. the darkness of this World (John 8:44). Atheism is the demonic ideology of defiled behavior that has brought God's judgment upon the societies of men from The Genesis forward and it is YOU and your fellow atheists that will destroy the United States of America by your shedding of innocent blood; by your vile and debased sexual perversity and your frothing over the evils of Socialism all of which are the the precursor and sign of God's judgment upon America.  

As long as God gives me voice and the ability, I will fight for Him and stand for His righteousness , His Truth and I will point to YOU and your vile and wicked comrades in Atheism and shout the Truth into the darkness that you are the incarnation of EVIL and death and hopelessness in our World.






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  • @RickeyD

    Galatians 1:10 no believer compromises with men

    Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    2 Peter 3:7
    But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    2 Peter 3:9

    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    2nd thesolonnians

     And G2532 to you G5213 who are troubled G2346 rest G425 with G3326 us G2257, when G1722 the Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 shall be revealed G602 from G575 heaven G3772 with G3326 his G846 mighty G1411 angels G32note


     8  In G1722 flaming G5395 fire G4442 taking G1325 vengeance G1557 on them that know G1492 not G3361 God G2316, and G2532 that obey G5219 not G3361 the gospel G2098 of our G2257 Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 Christ G5547note


     9  Who G3748 shall be punished G1349 G5099 with everlasting G166 destruction G3639 from G575 the presence G4383 of the Lord G2962, and G2532 from G575 the glory G1391 of his G846 power G2479;


     10  When G3752 he shall come G2064 to be glorified G1740 in G1722 his G846 saints G40, and G2532 to be admired G2296 in G1722 all G3956 them that believe G4100 (because G3754 our G2257 testimony G3142 among G1909 you G5209 was believed G4100) in G1722 that G1565 day G2250.


     11  Wherefore G1519 G3739 also G2532 we pray G4336 always G3842 for G4012 you G5216, that G2443 our G2257 God G2316 would count G515 you G5209 worthy G515 of this calling G2821, and G2532 fulfil G4137 all G3956 the good pleasure G2107 of his goodness G19, and G2532 the work G2041 of faith G4102 with G1722 power G1411note


     12  That G3704 the name G3686 of our G2257 Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 Christ G5547 may be glorified G1740 in G1722 you G5213, and G2532 ye G5210 in G1722 him G846, according to G2596 the grace G5485 of our G2257 God G2316 and G2532 the Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 Christ G5547.


    2 Peter 3:9 

    Emphasizes that we should be patient as God is patient so that we respect The Lord God Jesus Christs will that all come to repentance.

    No Christian is allowed to take vengeance, we are not heros or saviours.

    It is not our righteousness to begin with that allows for us to enter into heaven.

    It is faith.

    No one knows the heart of man except the Trinity, the Father Yahweh, the son Jesus the Christ and Jesus Christs SPirit.

    It's not our place to stand in place as judges of people who are also sinners.

    They have a day that is reserved for the judgement.

    I've already seen what is to come.

    Be afraid and pray and ask that they come to repentance.

    They have no idea of what is to come, and what the destruction of the ungodly is.

    Pray for them

    Jesus made it clear to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

    I have the same difficulty however, you must realize if you judge so shall you be judged accordingly.

    We are not called to accuse but intercede even on their behalf.

    How many times has Jesus interceded for you, and in that keep peace.

    Jesus is God and Lord.


  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen ; You want speech that opposes your atheism and perversity stymied so that you can curse, blasphemy, and spread Satan's gospel without rebuttal?  Hypocrite much?
  • A sinner can not accuse a sinner, it's something the retard satan doesn't even understand.

    How much less can the condemned accuse a sinner.

    Jesus is Lord.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @JesusisGod777888 ; You proselytize and do as the Spirit leads you and I'll do as the Spirit leads me. Speaking Truth and standing against darkness is not judging. This is spiritual warfare, not negotiations.  Thanks. 


    JesusisGod777888
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @smoothie ; Not true and no one forces or coerces you to tab and read...just pass on by....free will?
    smoothieZeusAres42
  • Doctrinal concepts are themselves non negotiable, whatever spirit is leading you is not God for God speaks against the judgement of men as mentioned.

    I rebuke you in Jesus name.

    You are about to cross a threshold.

    They have no perception of spiritual things and if you do you'd be retarted to take vengeance.

    You would bring calamity on your own household.

    You can reprove evil and wicked people but you are no judge, you are not Holy as Jesus is.

    You should pray and I'll pray for you.

    Jesus is Lord.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  

    1) God does NOT speak against judging unrighteousness/behavior in mankind, both inside and outside the Church it is demanded.

    2) You are spiritually ignorant.

    3) I judge no one, God does the judging but the behavior is to be judged as sin and the light of God's word cast upon it so that it is seen as sin in the open. It is your melancholy form of Christianity that permits these sexual perverts, abortionists, socialists, to destroy our society, our Nation...you're impotent spiritually.



  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    @smoothie

    "Spiritual Warfare: Atheism v. Christianity - Should the Christian Fight or Compromise with Society?"


    What do your responses, have to do with the theme of the forum?

    "How long do you plan to keep creating these threads? Its only a matter of time you are banned for spamming and trolling all over this site."

    "You have a right to free speech, however spamming threads that flood the homepage is abusive of that. You have nearly single-handedily turned this entire website into "angrychristianisland.com"
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    "Spiritual Warfare: Atheism v. Christianity - Should the Christian Fight or Compromise with Society?"


    What does your response, have to do with the theme of the forum?

    "I sadly but seriously doubt it... Moderation is practically non-existent here, or at least the management doesn't appear to give a (blank) about it..."




  • Koxek99Koxek99 4 Pts   -  
    An Atheist has more spirituality than a theist.

    To an atheist, the world has no creator and no divine purpose.
        To a theist, the world was divinely created.
    To be an atheist, you have to accept that there is no purpose unless you make one.
        To be a theist, you have to believe there is a reason for everything, even if it is evil or makes no sense.

    To an atheist, morals are inherent to each individual.
        To a theist, morals are set and unchanging.
    To be an atheist you must act morally with no expectation of reward.
        To be a theist, you must never exercise free will, you must do as you are told.

    To an atheist you only get a single shot at existence.
        To a theist, there you get an infinite afterlife.
    To be an atheist you must spend every living day to the fullest.
        To be a theist, you must dispose of your life to the will of others.

    To an atheist science is the truth, and philosophy is the guide.
        To a theist, dogma is truth and faith is the guide.
    To be an atheist is to have a personal relationship with reality.
        To be a theist is to have a personal relationship with imaginary entities.

    To an atheist the dance is temporary, and must be admired for it's grace and beauty.
        To a theist, the dance is forever, it can always be enjoyed later.
    To be an atheist is to partake in the dance.
        To be a theist, is to think the dance go somewhere when it is done.
  • NeopesdomNeopesdom 157 Pts   -  

    “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” 1 Pt 3:15.

    All silencing of discussion is an arrogant assumption of infallibility and for the sake of truth I will actively and always engage in debates, disputes, and discussions concerning my beliefs. I will combat false doctrine and those whome would overthrow the teachings of Scripture with twisted forms of exegesis and hermeneutics.

    “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11.

    Disputing with individuals was Paul’s life and ministry.” “Paul disputed....” Acts 17:17.

    I will “lead out those who have eyes but are blind, who have ears but are deaf.”..“...Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right, so that others may hear and say, "It is true..." Isa 43:8-9.

    I am always ready and willing to engage anyone to stay true to my divine commission “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” Mark 16:15 "

    I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" Matt. 10:34. A sword to “Fight the good fight of the faith....” 1 Tim. 6:12. Being clothed in the whole armor of God I am ready for battle in this spiritual war of which I have volunteered to serve.

    “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 10:5

    "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 15:57

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL5h-ViCbR0
    RickeyD
      “Never argue with an id'iot They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    I found this website, so I thought, I would share it with the forum:

    https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/07/06/former-atheists-speak-44-quotes/

    Some excerpts from this website:

    "The quotes below are from thinkers across diverse fields who were atheists before transitioning to a Christian worldview. The purpose here is to facilitate discussion between those holding to Christian and atheist worldviews, and growth in personal knowledge of the atheist-Christian debate. A follow up post will include thinkers who were formerly Christians before conversion to a secular worldview."

    "Jim Wallace, former cold-case homicide detective, assistant professor of apologetics (Biola University), once vocal atheist:

    • “In the end, I came to the conclusion that the gospels were reliable eyewitness accounts that delivered accurate information about Jesus, including His crucifixion and Resurrection. But that created a problem for me. If Jesus really was who He said He was, then Jesus was God Himself. If Jesus truly did what the gospel eyewitnesses recorded, then Jesus is still God Himself. As someone who used to reject anything supernatural, I had to make a decision about my naturalistic presuppositions” (1).
    • “If skeptics were willing to give the Gospels the same ‘benefit of the doubt’ they are willing to give other ancient documents, the Gospels would easily pass the test of authorship” (2).

    Frank Tippler, mathematical physicist, cosmologist, joint appointment in the Departments of Mathematics and Physics at Tulane University:

    • “When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics” (3)

    Alister McGrath, theologian, scientist, Anglican priest:

    • “Atheism, I began to realize, rested on a less-than-satisfactory evidential basis. The arguments that had once seemed bold, decisive, and conclusive increasingly turned out to be circular, tentative, and uncertain.” (4)
    • “Christianity offers a worldview that leads to the generation of moral values and ideals that are able to give moral meaning and dignity to our existence” (5).

    Lee Strobel, once a self-described militant atheist, former employee at the Chicago Tribune:

    • “It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian” (6).

    • “To be honest, I didn’t want to believe that Christianity could radically transform someone’s character and values. It was much easier to raise doubts and manufacture outrageous objections that to consider the possibility that God actually could trigger a revolutionary turn-around in such a depraved and degenerate life.” (7)

    • “…the scientific data point powerfully toward the existence of a Creator and that the historical evidence for the resurrection establishes convincingly that Jesus is divine.” (8)

    Rick Oliver, member of American Federation of Herpetoculturalists, California Science Teachers Association, and New York Academy of Science:

    • “I remember how frustrated I became when, as a young atheist, I examined specimens under the microscope. I would often walk away and try to convince myself that I was not seeing examples of extraordinary design, but merely the product of some random, unexplained mutations” (9)

    Sir William William (1851 – 1939), Scottish archaeologist, New Testament scholar, foremost authority of his day on the history of Asia Minor:

    • “Christianity did not originate in a lie; and we can and ought to demonstrate this as well as believe it.” (10)
    • “Further study . . . showed that the book (Acts) could bear the most minute scrutiny as an authority for the facts of the Aegean world, and that it was written with such judgment, skill, art and perception of truth as to be a model of historical statement.” (11)

    C.S. Lewis (1898 – 1963), widely read Christian apologetic author today, mind behind Narnia entertainment series:

    • “Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.” (12)

    • “Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It’s like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can’t trust my own thinking, of course I can’t trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God.” (13)
    • “A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. God is, if I may say it, very unscrupulous” (14).

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008), Russian writer, winner of 1970 Nobel Prize in literature. Reveals life under the the state atheism and communism of the Soviet Union:

    • “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened” (15)

    Antony Flew (1923-2010), once leading atheist philosopher, part of analytic and evidentialist schools of thought. Strong advocate of atheism, criticizer of the idea of life after death, free will defense to the problem of evil, and the concept of God. 2003 signer of the Humanist Manifesto. Converted to deism in 2004, held to an Aristotelian notion of God:

    • “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.” (16)
    • “I now believe there is a God…I now think it [the evidence] does point to a creative Intelligence almost entirely because of the DNA investigations. What I think the DNA material has done is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.” (17)

    • “…we have all the evidence we need in our immediate experience and that only a deliberate refusal to “look” is responsible for atheism of any variety.” (18) "





    AlofRI
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    Wonder what Edison thought?  ......Or .Ingersoll ....Lets try Albert ........




    AlofRIHappy_KillbotSkepticalOnePlaffelvohfen
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1484 Pts   -  
    If there is a fight, the Christians would have to start it. Atheists, really, have nothing to fight over, Christians have their "god" and their belief that EVERYONE must follow it, including the Muslims, who have their OWN version of the SAME "god" that THEY feel everyone MUST FOLLOW …. and so it goes, as it has for centuries. 
    I love peace, that's why I am not religious. :-)
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    This is your counter argument? 

    "Wonder what Edison thought?  ......Or .Ingersoll ....Lets try Albert ........"



    Do you maybe have an issue with some of these former Atheists, expressing their opinions? 

    Do you maybe disagree with the uses of their individual common sense?

    I like, being able to be educated, on the quotations from some of the former Atheists, its very enlightening, and educational, to see their words. 

    "Jim Wallace, former cold-case homicide detective, assistant professor of apologetics (Biola University), once vocal atheist:

    • “In the end, I came to the conclusion that the gospels were reliable eyewitness accounts that delivered accurate information about Jesus, including His crucifixion and Resurrection. But that created a problem for me. If Jesus really was who He said He was, then Jesus was God Himself. If Jesus truly did what the gospel eyewitnesses recorded, then Jesus is still God Himself. As someone who used to reject anything supernatural, I had to make a decision about my naturalistic presuppositions” (1).
    • “If skeptics were willing to give the Gospels the same ‘benefit of the doubt’ they are willing to give other ancient documents, the Gospels would easily pass the test of authorship” (2).

    Frank Tippler, mathematical physicist, cosmologist, joint appointment in the Departments of Mathematics and Physics at Tulane University:

    • “When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics” (3)

    Alister McGrath, theologian, scientist, Anglican priest:

    • “Atheism, I began to realize, rested on a less-than-satisfactory evidential basis. The arguments that had once seemed bold, decisive, and conclusive increasingly turned out to be circular, tentative, and uncertain.” (4)
    • “Christianity offers a worldview that leads to the generation of moral values and ideals that are able to give moral meaning and dignity to our existence” (5).

    Lee Strobel, once a self-described militant atheist, former employee at the Chicago Tribune:

    • “It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian” (6).

    • “To be honest, I didn’t want to believe that Christianity could radically transform someone’s character and values. It was much easier to raise doubts and manufacture outrageous objections that to consider the possibility that God actually could trigger a revolutionary turn-around in such a depraved and degenerate life.” (7)

    • “…the scientific data point powerfully toward the existence of a Creator and that the historical evidence for the resurrection establishes convincingly that Jesus is divine.” (8)

    Rick Oliver, member of American Federation of Herpetoculturalists, California Science Teachers Association, and New York Academy of Science:

    • “I remember how frustrated I became when, as a young atheist, I examined specimens under the microscope. I would often walk away and try to convince myself that I was not seeing examples of extraordinary design, but merely the product of some random, unexplained mutations” (9)

    Sir William William (1851 – 1939), Scottish archaeologist, New Testament scholar, foremost authority of his day on the history of Asia Minor:

    • “Christianity did not originate in a lie; and we can and ought to demonstrate this as well as believe it.” (10)
    • “Further study . . . showed that the book (Acts) could bear the most minute scrutiny as an authority for the facts of the Aegean world, and that it was written with such judgment, skill, art and perception of truth as to be a model of historical statement.” (11)

    C.S. Lewis (1898 – 1963), widely read Christian apologetic author today, mind behind Narnia entertainment series:

    • “Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.” (12)

    • “Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It’s like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can’t trust my own thinking, of course I can’t trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God.” (13)
    • “A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. God is, if I may say it, very unscrupulous” (14).

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008), Russian writer, winner of 1970 Nobel Prize in literature. Reveals life under the the state atheism and communism of the Soviet Union:

    • “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened” (15)

    Antony Flew (1923-2010), once leading atheist philosopher, part of analytic and evidentialist schools of thought. Strong advocate of atheism, criticizer of the idea of life after death, free will defense to the problem of evil, and the concept of God. 2003 signer of the Humanist Manifesto. Converted to deism in 2004, held to an Aristotelian notion of God:

    • “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.” (16)
    • “I now believe there is a God…I now think it [the evidence] does point to a creative Intelligence almost entirely because of the DNA investigations. What I think the DNA material has done is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.” (17)

    • “…we have all the evidence we need in our immediate experience and that only a deliberate refusal to “look” is responsible for atheism of any variety.” (18) "




  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @AlofRI

    I love peace as well, but Religion, has ZERO to do with how any human being, decides to balance peace, through their individual acts of global violence?

     "If there is a fight, the Christians would have to start it. Atheists, really, have nothing to fight over, Christians have their "god" and their belief that EVERYONE must follow it, including the Muslims, who have their OWN version of the SAME "god" that THEY feel everyone MUST FOLLOW …. and so it goes, as it has for centuries. 
    I love peace, that's why I am not religious. :-) "
    AlofRI
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    I challenge anyone who is religious or otherwise spiritual to prove to me that there even is such a thing as soul or a spirit.
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1484 Pts   -  
    @Neopesdom ;

    "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory ………"

    "Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time last time the Lord's grace  smiled on His ungrateful children.  *Adolph Hitler* Mein Kampf, vol. 1 Ch. 7


    "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."  *Adolph Hitler*  Mein Kampf  vol. 1 Ch. 2

    There are Christians, and there are Christians. Then again, there are Muslims. Then again, there are those who believe they are guided by a "god" …. which is the SAME god as the Christian … or Muslim "god". Each have their own interpretations OF that "god" ….. and therein lies the problem. If the "all powerful god" would USE that power to "drop in" and clarify HIS rules …. not leave it up to his "salesmen, even I would believe. He won't, I don't. You and the "believers" think you know "HIS" wishes. Too many others have a different opinion, and they're willing to fight to prove THEY are right! When "salesmen" sell you an invisible product, there's a Latin saying that translates to "Let the buyer beware". (I'm 82, you'll have to forgive me for forgetting the Latin. ;-)
    Anyway:
    Peace on Earth ….. when we all decide that we keep our beliefs to ourselves.
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    **** This is your counter argument? 

    You never made an argument you posted up the words of others 

    ****Do you maybe have an issue with some of these former Atheists, expressing their opinions? 

    No issue at all , what makes you think that?

    *****Do you maybe disagree with the uses of their individual common sense?

    They didn’t use “common sense “ to believe in the Christian god 

    ****I like, being able to be educated,

    You’re badly in need of it 

    ****the quotations from some of the former Atheists, its very enlightening, and educational, to see their words. 

    We’ll copy and paste it and keep them in your wallet 
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    @Dee

    With all due fair and equal respect, you can make counter arguments, without apparently being demeaning to an individual, who is being fair, and equal to you?


    ****I like, being able to be educated,

    "You’re badly in need of it."


    ****the quotations from some of the former Atheists, its very enlightening, and educational, to see their words.

    "We’ll copy and paste it and keep them in your wallet."


    And the three Atheist oriented individuals quotations, that you shared, why do they appear to be demeaning in their nature?


    Albert Einstein
    "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
    (Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954.)

    Because Albert Einstein's own Atheists words, appear to be an attack on God, and the Bible, and are demeaning to God, and the Bible at the same time? 


    Thomas Edison
    "I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."

    Just as Thomas Edison's words, appear to be an attack on Religion as well? 

    I would love to know what ATHEIST BOOK of SCIENCE, that he was basing his Atheist opinion on? 


    Robert Ingersoll
    "Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?"

    And the same can be said about Robert Ingersoll's, apparent attack on God?


    So thank you for sharing these three, and their (Biased Atheist Perceptions) with me. 
    JesusisGod777888
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ****With all due fair and equal respect, you can make counter arguments, without apparently being demeaning to an individual, who is being fair, and equal to you?


    I’m not “demeaning “ I’m stating a fact , the whole site knows your an and a troll 



    ****And the three Atheist oriented individuals quotations, that you shared, why do they appear to be demeaning in their nature?


    Demeaning? You dislike the truth , why not do your usual and sulk?



    ****Because Albert Einstein's own Atheists words, appear to be an attack on God, and the Bible, and are demeaning to God, and the Bible at the same 

    time? 


    It’s truthful he thought t people like you believed in childish nonsense , I agree.


    Tell me how his quote is inaccurate, bet you can’t? 



    ****Just as Thomas Edison's words, appear to be an attack on Religion as well? 


    Tell me what’s inaccurate about his quote, bet you can’t ?


    ****I would love to know what ATHEIST BOOK of SCIENCE, that he was basing his Atheist opinion on? 


    What’s an “ atheist book of science “ you , bet you can’t answer?




    ****And the same can be said about Robert Ingersoll's, apparent attack on God?


    Tell me how his quote is wrong bet you can’t ? 



    ***So thank you for sharing these three, and their (Biased Atheist Perceptions) with me. 


    Prove they’re biased bet you can’t?   So as usual I bet you won’t even attempt a defence but will run to your fellow hater @RickyD and kiss his so he might give his lap dog a pat on the head 

    Plaffelvohfen
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    and you claim you are not a troll; by the very definition of the word you are one.  should I give you the definition? here you are preying upon religious sites constantly to inject your point of view just in the same way those who you call religious trolls act.  you are the very definition of a troll.  bigot, look up the definition.  you rant and rave and holler and scream and insult religious people; therefore you are non-tolerant to their ideas, the very definition of a bigot. to deny that these 2 definitions apply to you would also make you a hypocrite. @Dee
    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    @maxx


    ****and you claim you are not a troll; by the very definition of the word you are one.

    How so the question addresses atheists you  

      ****should I give you the definition? here you are preying upon religious sites constantly to inject your point of view just in the same way those who you call religious trolls act.  

    Read the title of the debate you brain dead  


    ****you are the very definition of a troll.  bigot, look up the definition.  

    Says the who as usual cannot even comprehend what the O P is asking 

    ****you rant and rave and holler and scream and insult religious people; therefore you are non-tolerant to their ideas,

    No ranting here buddy , you’re still sulking that me and @Plaffelvohfen corrected your latest piece of gibberish 

    ****the very definition of a bigot. to deny that these 2 definitions apply to you would also make you a hypocrite.


    Yet you’re the one who spent a week on hating same sex couples and are also a rabid racist ......Grow up son and grow a pair of balls 
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    An historical moment to ponder over.

    When the same Priests who wanted Jesus to entertain their questions, didn't get the Priest like responses that they were looking for, or demanding, they Religiously persecuted his efforts by Crucifying him.

    So that would make those same (Crucifying Priests,) the original Trolls of Religion, yes, or no?

    Jesus, was Religiously persecuted by Religious Priests, who were I guess, supposed to be Religious oriented themselves?

    Can any of the Atheists, or the Religious individuals, explain that hypocritical moment? 






  • NeopesdomNeopesdom 157 Pts   -  
    @AlofRI

    >>"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time last time the Lord's grace  smiled on His ungrateful children.  *Adolph Hitler* Mein Kampf, vol. 1 Ch. 7

    >>"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."  *Adolph Hitler*  Mein Kampf  vol. 1 Ch. 2

    The difference being the physical fight was perpetuated by forces of darkness.

    For though we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh. The weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Instead, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.…(2 Cor. 10:3-4)

    Is not My word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that smashes a rock?" (Jer. 23:29)

    Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

    >>. If the "all powerful god" would USE that power to "drop in" and clarify HIS rules

    He did, you can read all about in His books, we call it the Bible. Have a look.

    >> Too many others have a different opinion, and they're willing to fight to prove THEY are right! When "salesmen" sell you an invisible product, there's a Latin saying that translates to "Let the buyer beware". (I'm 82, you'll have to forgive me for forgetting the Latin. ;-)
    Anyway:

    You should be aware, do not place your trust in men. Don't trust me, read for yourself, trust in God.

    >>... when we all decide that we keep our beliefs to ourselves.

    Satan would like that alot.
      “Never argue with an id'iot They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @Neopesdom

    ****He did, you can read all about in His books, we call it the Bible. Have a look.

    Pity your ancestors ever opened the bible as in that's where they got the idea owning people as property was perfectly moral and just as the bible gives clear instructions on how one can buy, sell and indeed beat their slaves 

    Have a look sometime with the god goggles of it's all their in bold print 
    AlofRI
  • NeopesdomNeopesdom 157 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    >>Pity your ancestors ever opened the bible as in that's where they got the idea owning people as property was perfectly moral and just as the bible gives clear instructions on how one can buy, sell and indeed beat their slaves 

    If they did open it they would read:

    “He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:16)

    Perhaps you have not heard of the "Golden Rule", "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matt. 7:12)

    Slavery was a reality in the ancient world, instituted by men, not God. Why don't you go back in time, free the slaves and watch them suffer even more, watch them become criminals to attain what they cannot from lack of work or means. Watch the situation turn from bad to worse. Pity that reality which you do not seem able to grasp. Keep digging you are almost there.

      “Never argue with an id'iot They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @Neopesdom

    ****If they did open it they would read:


    “He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:16)........***


    They would also read ...


    Exodus 21:20-21 (NASB): 20If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

    Exodus 21:26-27 (NASB): 26If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and 

    destroys it, he shall let him go free on account of his eye. 27And if he knocks out a tooth of his male or female slave



    ****Perhaps you have not heard of the "Golden Rule", "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matt. 7:12)****


    I have heard of it actually your not in a position to offer advice on what constitutes the Golden Rule as you think this is an example of such .......It’s hilarious watching you use the Bible to contradict the Bible .....


    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



    ****Slavery was a reality in the ancient world, instituted by men, not God. ****


    God fully approved and sanctioned slavery as did Jesus.....


    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)



    ****Why don't you go back in time, free the slaves and watch them suffer even more, ****


    Ahh right so slavery was for their own good , your ancestors would be proud of you 



    *****watch them become criminals to attain what they cannot from lack of work or means. Watch the situation turn from bad to worse. ***/


    Ever hear of giving people a paid job instead of enslaving them? It’s something to do with following that golden rule which you think means you may own people as property 


    ****Pity that reality which you do not seem able to grasp. Keep digging you are almost there.***


    Right so tell me what part of “reality” are you “grasping” that makes you think owning people as property is moral?


    Have a go at the quiz below it’s a tricky one 





  • NeopesdomNeopesdom 157 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    Try not to hurt yourself....


      “Never argue with an id'iot They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @Neopesdom

    **** Try not to hurt yourself....


    Ha , Ha , there’s only one here mate,  I’ve given you the words of Jesus regards slavery and your god yet I’m the one telling lies ........ Didn’t expect anything else really from you I doubt you’ve ever even opened a bible .......

    Thanks for your most recent selfie ......





  • piloteerpiloteer 1577 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    According to the bible, we all have a personal relationship with God, and Jesus is the mediator. No person on earth can dictate or judge the relationship between God and other people. God allows the people of earth to be free to construct their own forms of government and society. We can follow the doctrine of God as we fill fit, but we cannot dictate for others because only God can judge them.   
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @piloteer ; I disagree. No one has a relationship with God the Father due to Adam's rebellion and subsequent curse except those who have pursued God with faith (in the Covenant of Law) and those who have pursued God the Father by "grace" through faith in Jesus Christ-Yeshua as Lord in the Covenant of Grace established in the shed-blood of Jesus-Yeshua at the Crucifixion (John 3:16). It is ONLY by grace through faith in Jesus Christ that we are reconciled to God the Father (2 Corinthians 5:11-21; Romans 5:10-11; Colossians 1:21; ).

    Unless one has entered into a relationship with God the Father by being "born again" (John 3:3) via repenting of sin, believing in their heart, confessing with their mouth, that Jesus Christ is God who died to pay their sin-debt and believe that Jesus was resurrected for their justification leading to Eternal life, unless a man or woman has so believed and confessed, they DO NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THE FATHER but they are aliens to God...they are God's enemy and servants of Satan (Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:2); the unredeemed/unfaithful who have rejected Jesus as Lord, they are spiritually dead, they are the walking dead and enemies of the Living God (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:13).

    If we follow God's decrees via our own moral relativism, our "feelings," we are deceived because our feelings cannot work the righteousness of God. It is irrelevant how we feel about what God has said; what is relevant is what the Holy Spirit has commanded and the Truth of God's words. It is the indwelling Holy Spirit that instructs us in God's righteous decrees (1 John 2:27).

    The Christian is to judge all things and this is one-reason why the Holy Spirit indwells the life of the faithful in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It is the Holy Spirit that is our Discernment, Counselor, Wisdom, Tutor, Intercessor. The Christian is to judge the World and stand opposed to its wickedness and fight the good fight of faith in the spiritual war confronting us daily (1 Timothy 6:12-13) . Jesus told us to not judge in hypocrisy but we, the faithful, are to judge all things via a "righteous judgment" i.e. using the word of God as the foundation from which to judge righteousness from iniquity, good from evil.

    "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."  John 7:24 (NASB)





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