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  • @YeshuaRedeemed ; No one should have special rights granted them based on their "choice" to engage in sexual behavior that runs contrary to nature and human physiology. Mental illness and choices to engage in antisocial conduct does not deserve protections of any sort other than what the law provides for society in general. It is not a handicap or a special need motivating another to engage in the mental illness of LGBTQ; therefore, special rights for having made the choice to engage in demonically inspired sexual perversity or gender mutilation is not protected by the US Constitution.


    smoothieBaconToes
  • RickeyD said:
    @YeshuaRedeemed ; No one should have special rights granted them based on their "choice" to engage in sexual behavior that runs contrary to nature and human physiology. Mental illness and choices to engage in antisocial conduct does not deserve protections of any sort other than what the law provides for society in general. It is not a handicap or a special need motivating another to engage in the mental illness of LGBTQ; therefore, special rights for having made the choice to engage in demonically inspired sexual perversity or gender mutilation is not protected by the US Constitution.


    Not special rights, you bigot. EQUAL RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PlaffelvohfenSkepticalOnesmoothieBaconToes
  • RickeyD said:
    Mental illness and choices to engage in antisocial conduct does not deserve protections of any sort other than what the law provides for society in general.
    Does this apply to dogmatic Christians as well?
    Plaffelvohfensmoothie
  • @RickeyD The only reason these protections are in our society is because ignorant idiots like you continue to rally against them and deny them human decency and treat them differently.

    Also its not a mental illness, this has been confirmed since the 1970's, seems you are trapped there
    why so serious?
  • RickeyDRickeyD 583 Pts
    edited December 2019
    @smoothie ; Homosexuality is a mental and spiritual illness resulting in death of the body, mind, soul. The APA removed homosexuality from its mental illness list in 1973...I'm sure this was done for PC reasons ONLY! No employer, no one in society that seeks to live a life of normative, sustainable, mores, norms, values, conducive to a healthy, happy, moral, respectful, society should be coerced to employ, work among, live among, dwell among, those who seek to live a lifestyle that is perverse, defiled, nasty, embarrassing, degrading and endangers the welfare of the community, the family unit, our posterity, our future.

    Forcing law abiding, value seeking, honorable citizens to employ and work around those who seek to spit in the face of our Creator's Covenants and defy those values and norms essential for a healthy and sustainable society is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, it violates the right of the citizens right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, due process... and forcing sexual perversity into the workplace, the public sphere is Political Correctness entering the demonic! 

    Compromise with sexual perversion in a society is death to that society. Ask Rome, ask the generations of Noah and Lot and watch America die in like manner from abortion and LGBTQ perversion.






    smoothie
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3423 Pts
    edited December 2019
    This bill is pretty awful, but nothing out of the ordinary. All kinds of social and economical groups get these "protections" all the time under the guise of championing human rights and economical progress, but in essence they are nothing but restrictions on people's social and economical rights. The government is a master of repackaging and selling oppressive acts as liberating.

    Businesses should be allowed to refuse service to anyone they like, and individuals should be allowed to boycott any businesses they like. If some business discriminates against you, then go somewhere else. Discrimination is an ill that should be addressed by targeted social action, not governmental coercion.

    In Indiana, these protectionists have ruined the housing market. It is nearly impossible to find cheap apartments to rent if your raw income is above, say, $20,000, because almost all apartment complexes are subsidised by the government to accept exclusively low-income customers. Apartment rentals in Indiana used to be arguably the cheapest in the US just half a decade ago, and now we are not even in the top 10 states in this regard.

    It is my strong conviction these days that the government has a single function: to make people's lives difficult. And maximalist however this position may be, I have yet to find a single example of a governmental action that would challenge it. The only type of governmental actions that seems to ever lead to noticeable improvement of people's lives is the actions rolling back previous harmful actions.
    smoothieMichaelElpers
  • smoothiesmoothie 377 Pts
    edited December 2019
    @RickeyD "PC reasons" in the 1970's? LMAO

    The APA is an extremely well-credited institution and does not cater to bias. They research scientifically (I know you hate science, so I understand your stance). They used facts and knowledge/logic from the real world to come up with the change.
    why so serious?
  • @smoothie ; APA = Credible?




  • smoothiesmoothie 377 Pts
    edited December 2019
    @RickeyD They are a collective of over 118,000 members. The largest psychological association in America.

    Do you argue against the scientific method, in where results change when new results come up? That is exactly what happened with their stance on homosexuality. They decided that leaving homosexuality a mental illness was not correct regarding new evidence, that is science.

    This part of the article only proves my point further, they did not accept the bias of gay rights activists that was later said. The only pressure from gay rights activists was to study it, thats it. They only relied on science and the scientific method to come to the conclusion.



    why so serious?
  • @smoothie Please...get your facts straight. The APA bowed to PC...Homosexuality is a mental illness.

    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II). This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

     

        This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that has infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society. 

     

      What Really Happened?

     

        Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder. Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)
     
        In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when the APA held its convention in San Francisco. At that time homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder.
     
        In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the “Gay Liberation Front” to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled,
     
    "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."
         
        Meanwhile, homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. There they threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.
     
        Mr. Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."  Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality.
     
        Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II. The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.
     
        After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. However, prior to this the National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.
        According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth." 
      
    Dr. Socarides Speaks Out
     
        Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals inside and outside of the APA forced them to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is not a disordered behavior.
     
        Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality states:
     
    "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…"
     
        Dr. Socarides went on to write:
     
    "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.
     
    "To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences."

    https://blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm


    smoothie
  • @RickeyD You found one member's opinion, great. Again, further proving my point that the APA was diverse in their opinions and relied on science first.

    That is not the entire APA. They had plenty of time to go back on their stance but it has not changed since. Explain to me how gay activists influenced the 117,999 other members in a time where gay rights were ridiculed.
    why so serious?
  • @smoothie ; Homosexuality is a mental and spiritual disorder that can be healed by faith in Jesus Christ as Lord over your life. The APA was coerced by PC to remove Homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses. See excerpts from Dr. Ronald Bayer's book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry, The Politics of Diagnosis (1981) and Dr. Socarides,  Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality.

    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II). This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

         This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that has infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society. 

     What Really Happened?

     

        Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder. Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

     

        In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when the APA held its convention in San Francisco. At that time homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder.

     

        In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the “Gay Liberation Front” to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled,

     

    "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

         

        Meanwhile, homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. There they threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

     

        Mr. Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."  Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality.

     

        Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II. The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

     

        After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. However, prior to this the National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

        According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth." 

      

    Dr. Socarides Speaks Out

     

        Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals inside and outside of the APA forced them to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is not a disordered behavior.

     

        Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality states:

     

    "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…"

     

        Dr. Socarides went on to write:

     

    "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.

      "To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences."



    smoothieSkepticalOne
  • RickeyD said:
    @YeshuaRedeemed ; No one should have special rights granted them based on their "choice" to engage in sexual behavior that runs contrary to nature and human physiology. Mental illness and choices to engage in antisocial conduct does not deserve protections of any sort other than what the law provides for society in general. It is not a handicap or a special need motivating another to engage in the mental illness of LGBTQ; therefore, special rights for having made the choice to engage in demonically inspired sexual perversity or gender mutilation is not protected by the US Constitution.


    You don't have the right to cal love a mental illness. Reported for hate speech.
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