If some Christian were wrong about slavery, can mainstreem Christians be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights?

MayCaesar

Anyone can be wrong about anything; none of us knows enough about the world to even predict whether we will be alive tomorrow, let alone inherently subjective moral issues. If there is some being out there that has created our Universe, then that being's reasoning is likely far beyond our comprehension; perhaps it does not even thing about LGBT things, or maybe it has a firm position on them, but that position is too complex for us to understand. It is also possible that it simply wants us to sort it out ourselves.

More likely, there is no such being. The best we can do is just treat other people kindly, regardless of who they are. This is what I do. I absolutely do not care what race you are, what gender you are, what sexuality you are, what religion you follow, etc. To me, everyone is an individual, and I treat everyone as such. I have interacted with quite a few homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals in my life, and nothing I have seen made me think less of them. I have also interacted with all races, probably most ethnicities and most mainstream religions. Finally, I have lived in many different cultures. All I can say at the end of the day is: you will be surprised by just how similar all people fundamentally are, if you just open your mind to the idea and discard all the superficial differences.

Dee

****** We have slavery, racial diviciveness, gender inequality, and rape culture. Fallible men, have taken the infallible Word of God, to enact laws of terror and hate

The men who implemented slavery were following exactly what it said in the Bible which gives clear instructions on how to buy , treat and indeed beat slaves , it also totally supports one selling ones daughter as a sex slave .

Jesus one would think would be against this but Jesus like god totally supported slavery

Why Christians defend such an immoral book is beyond me , I get that one believes in a god but basing it on the words of this vile book eludes me 

Happy_Killbot

If the church reverses their position on LGBTQI+ rights, then what prevents them from reversing their stance on any position?

How can they then claim to have the one absolute truth, or for that matter to even know the truth about anything?

All religions have changed over time. Sometimes this change takes place as the development of another sect or denomination, and sometimes it is the result of slow gradual change due to a changing environment.

I would argue that they were never really "right" to make any claim out to be morally subjective in the first place, because what is good or bad for society is going to be different depending on the circumstances, and this changes what is the moral answer.

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

If the church reverses their position on LGBTQI+ rights, then what prevents them from reversing their stance on any position?

How can they then claim to have the one absolute truth, or for that matter to even know the truth about anything?

All religions have changed over time. Sometimes this change takes place as the development of another sect or denomination, and sometimes it is the result of slow gradual change due to a changing environment.

I would argue that they were never really "right" to make any claim out to be morally subjective in the first place, because what is good or bad for society is going to be different depending on the circumstances, and this changes what is the moral answer.

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

That sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. I don't see things that way.

RickeyD

@YeshuaRedeemed ;

1) "Mainstream" Christians were not "wrong about slavery;" in fact, it was the Christian's who demanded abolition of slavery as the institution mocked the foundational premise of the creation of man stating that every man is created in the image of the Living God (Genesis 1:26-28); therefore, slavery is sin against God. How Christianity ended slavery: https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how-christians-ended-slavery-n962085 

Not a single Republican owned slaves at the inception of the Civil War; the Democrat Party was exclusively the Party of Slavery and a true Christian does not own people...even though slave owners are mentioned in the Covenant of Grace, their iniquity was upon them if they treated their slave in an arbitrary manner (Ephesians 6:9).  Even to this very day, no true Christian can be a Progressive-Socialist-Democrat. Anyone who names the Name of Jesus Christ as Lord cannot live a life of obedience and simultaneously vote for a political Party or candidate that murders babies in the womb; advocates for sexual perversion that is sin against God's Covenant of Marriage; promotes policies that enslave minorities and the poor in ghettos in addiction and dependency.  As it was in 1860 it is 2019 as well; if you're a Democrat - Progressive, you serve the Party of Satan. BTW: The "Southern Strategy" is a myth!

2) The subject or right v. wrong relevant to the sexual perversity of LGBTQ is not decided between Christians and the LGBTQ movement but the Homosexual-Lesbianism-Transsexual-Bisexual-Gender Confused-Queer argument is with God the Father, God the Son - Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit who Authored the Scriptures.  LGBTQ is demonic...the behavior finds its root in the Satanic; the Holy Spirit has clearly articulated that the unrepentant Homosexual-Lesbian will NOT see life in God's Kingdom.

There is forgiveness for the sin of LGBTQ but the participant must REPENT and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin (John 3:36).

YeshuaBought

RickeyD said:

@YeshuaRedeemed ;

1) "Mainstream" Christians were not "wrong about slavery;" in fact, it was the Christian's who demanded abolition of slavery as the institution mocked the foundational premise of the creation of man stating that every man is created in the image of the Living God (Genesis 1:26-28); therefore, slavery is sin against God. How Christianity ended slavery: https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how-christians-ended-slavery-n962085 

Not a single Republican owned slaves at the inception of the Civil War; the Democrat Party was exclusively the Party of Slavery and a true Christian does not own people...even though slave owners are mentioned in the Covenant of Grace, their iniquity was upon them if they treated their slave in an arbitrary manner (Ephesians 6:9).  Even to this very day, no true Christian can be a Progressive-Socialist-Democrat. Anyone who names the Name of Jesus Christ as Lord cannot live a life of obedience and simultaneously vote for a political Party or candidate that murders babies in the womb; advocates for sexual perversion that is sin against God's Covenant of Marriage; promotes policies that enslave minorities and the poor in ghettos in addiction and dependency.  As it was in 1860 it is 2019 as well; if you're a Democrat - Progressive, you serve the Party of Satan. BTW: The "Southern Strategy" is a myth!

2) The subject or right v. wrong relevant to the sexual perversity of LGBTQ is not decided between Christians and the LGBTQ movement but the Homosexual-Lesbianism-Transsexual-Bisexual-Gender Confused-Queer argument is with God the Father, God the Son - Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit who Authored the Scriptures.  LGBTQ is demonic...the behavior finds its root in the Satanic; the Holy Spirit has clearly articulated that the unrepentant Homosexual-Lesbian will NOT see life in God's Kingdom.

There is forgiveness for the sin of LGBTQ but the participant must REPENT and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin (John 3:36).

Mainstreem Christians are wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed
If this is a fallacy, then one still has to contest with what parts of the bible are to be considered absolute and what parts are considered up for interpretation.

Not many people know this, but the bible condemns wearing cloth made of different types of fibers.

Deuteronomy 22:11 "You shall not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together."

It is largely accepted today that this was either a Hebrew superstition or had to do with preventing shrinkage when washing clothing made of different fibers. However, most modern fabrics are made of many different types of fabric, which even the most hard core believers will wear.

There are other examples of common things everyone does but the bible forbids, for example:

eating pork or bacon, using pig parts, Leviticus 11:4,
eating seafood, Leviticus 10–11
playing football, Leviticus 11:7–8
wearing jewelry, 1 Timothy 2:9
talking to psychics, Leviticus 19:31
tattoos, Leviticus 19:28
marrying after a divorce, Mark 10:11–12
Women talking in churches, 1 Corinthians 14:34
pulling out, Genesis 38:9
working on Sundays, (unless you are Jesus) Exodus 31:14–15
Trimming your beard, Leviticus 19:27
Eating hamburgers. Leviticus 3:17

So why don't they treat these passages with the same respect as the ones condemning homosexuality?

All of these things are technically against God's will if the bible is to be considered true. If you can pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be trusted, it loses its supposed purpose as a source of moral guidance. In other words, the fact that these things are no longer considered to be morally forbidden indicates that morality is subjective.

If it is, the bible and religion has no purpose, and you might have to ask yourself: Why even bother with faith at all?

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed
If this is a fallacy, then one still has to contest with what parts of the bible are to be considered absolute and what parts are considered up for interpretation.

Not many people know this, but the bible condemns wearing cloth made of different types of fibers.

Deuteronomy 22:11 "You shall not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together."

It is largely accepted today that this was either a Hebrew superstition or had to do with preventing shrinkage when washing clothing made of different fibers. However, most modern fabrics are made of many different types of fabric, which even the most hard core believers will wear.

There are other examples of common things everyone does but the bible forbids, for example:

eating pork or bacon, using pig parts, Leviticus 11:4,
eating seafood, Leviticus 10–11
playing football, Leviticus 11:7–8
wearing jewelry, 1 Timothy 2:9
talking to psychics, Leviticus 19:31
tattoos, Leviticus 19:28
marrying after a divorce, Mark 10:11–12
Women talking in churches, 1 Corinthians 14:34
pulling out, Genesis 38:9
working on Sundays, (unless you are Jesus) Exodus 31:14–15
Trimming your beard, Leviticus 19:27
Eating hamburgers. Leviticus 3:17

So why don't they treat these passages with the same respect as the ones condemning homosexuality?

All of these things are technically against God's will if the bible is to be considered true. If you can pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be trusted, it loses its supposed purpose as a source of moral guidance. In other words, the fact that these things are no longer considered to be morally forbidden indicates that morality is subjective.

If it is, the bible and religion has no purpose, and you might have to ask yourself: Why even bother with faith at all?

Go to Hell. You don't have the right to judge LGBTQI+ people, you bigot. It is a fallacy to say LGBTQI+ people can't be Christians. 

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed I can't go somewhere I don't believe exists, I'm atheist who was raised Christian.

One of the reasons I left is because I realized the whole thing is nothing but a house of lies.

Suppose you ignore all the parts of the bible that say to love each other and do good things, and instead focus on all the parts that say steal, rape, murder, takes slaves, and subjugate women?

If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed I can't go somewhere I don't believe exists, I'm atheist who was raised Christian.

One of the reasons I left is because I realized the whole thing is nothing but a house of lies.

Suppose you ignore all the parts of the bible that say to love each other and do good things, and instead focus on all the parts that say steal, rape, murder, takes slaves, and subjugate women?

If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!

You need to stay on topic. We are debating whether mainstreem Christians can can be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights. We are NOT debating anything else. If you don't stay on topic, I will report you for trolling. LGBTQI+ rights are NOT negotiable.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed My comments are very relevant, you don't need to get angry.

If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.

However, and the point I am trying to make, if this is acceptable then it can be inferred that all of the bible is open for interpretation, and this has consequences.

For example, suppose we just flip it all around and say, okay, LGBTQI+ can have rights, but racial slavery is okay again. It's all arbitrary if you can pick and choose, so why even have faith at all, if it is completely meaningless?

This problem is a major reason why so many people in the US are leaving religion. There is nothing but truth, not personal truth but actual truth on the other side. It is liberating.

smoothie

If mainstream christian groups do not change their attitude; their attendance and acceptance will continue to drop tremoundously in the future. Its their choice, turn into irrelevant cults or stop crusading against LGBT by advocating for discrimination and making them second-class citizens.

Happy_Killbot said:

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

^ This needs to happen so badly. No law should be made out of a religion's doctrine, that is how the country was designed and people need to remember that. Freedom of religion also means the ability to not be forced to follow christianity and its set of rules/morals. Religion's followings should stay in the spirtual realm and leave the physical one. Having reality forced to bow down to your religion is barbaric, anti-american, and authoritarian.

YeshuaBought

smoothie said:

If mainstream christian groups do not change their attitude; their attendance and acceptance will continue to drop tremoundously in the future. Its their choice, turn into irrelevant cults or stop crusading against LGBT by advocating for discrimination and making them second-class citizens.

Happy_Killbot said:

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

^ This needs to happen so badly. No law should be made out of a religion's doctrine, that is how the country was designed and people need to remember that. Freedom of religion also means the ability to not be forced to follow christianity and its set of rules/morals. Religion's followings should stay in the spirtual realm and leave the physical one. Having reality forced to bow down to your religion is barbaric, anti-american, and authoritarian.

Thank you. I agree. There is a growing movement of Christians who affirm the rights of LGBTQI+ people.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed My comments are very relevant, you don't need to get angry.

If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.

However, and the point I am trying to make, if this is acceptable then it can be inferred that all of the bible is open for interpretation, and this has consequences.

For example, suppose we just flip it all around and say, okay, LGBTQI+ can have rights, but racial slavery is okay again. It's all arbitrary if you can pick and choose, so why even have faith at all, if it is completely meaningless?

This problem is a major reason why so many people in the US are leaving religion. There is nothing but truth, not personal truth but actual truth on the other side. It is liberating.

No they aren't, and you don't have the right to dictate how I practice my faith. The subject of this debate is whether mainstreem Christians can be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights. If you don't stick only to the topic at hand, I will report you for trolling.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed Oh, I get it so you agree with @smoothie but not me even though we are saying the same thing and he even quotes me.

Then for some reason, when I take this to its logical conclusion, suddenly I'm trolling and off topic. I don't understand where the disconnect here is, If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!

Religious traditionalism and progressivism are about compatible as fascism and human rights, one has to be drastically modified to accommodate the other.

Frankly, I think you are trolling because you never defend or even explain your position, you resort to ad hominem attacks, and instead of thinking through things rationally you just get angry.

Emotion does not a good argument make.

MayCaesar

@YeshuaRedeemed

You seem to believe, based on your comments in other threads, that you have the right to dictate how others practice their speech. Why should others not have the right to dictate how you practice your faith? I do not see why you should be more of an authority on this, than anyone else.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed Oh, I get it so you agree with @smoothie but not me even though we are saying the same thing and he even quotes me.

Then for some reason, when I take this to its logical conclusion, suddenly I'm trolling and off topic. I don't understand where the disconnect here is, If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.

The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.

If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!

Religious traditionalism and progressivism are about compatible as fascism and human rights, one has to be drastically modified to accommodate the other.

Frankly, I think you are trolling because you never defend or even explain your position, you resort to ad hominem attacks, and instead of thinking through things rationally you just get angry.

Emotion does not a good argument make.

You need to read what I wrote, and stay on topic. We are only debating whether Christians can be wrong about LGBTQI+ issues, not other things about the Bible, and religion. I will say it again: Can mainstreem Christians be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights, yes or no?

YeshuaBought

MayCaesar said:

@YeshuaRedeemed

You seem to believe, based on your comments in other threads, that you have the right to dictate how others practice their speech. Why should others not have the right to dictate how you practice your faith? I do not see why you should be more of an authority on this, than anyone else.

That is a lie. I support freedom.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed ; If I talk about the yellow circle what else am I taking about? This isn't hard.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed You can support religion, or you can support freedom. Perhaps you fail to recognize just how authoritarian and anti freedom religion actually is.

You are a cultural atheist, and a Christian only in name, you should realize this. You do not get to pick and choose what religion says and does, you do get to decide if you want to believe it or not.

How many of your friends are atheist/agnostic/"religious nones"?

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed You can support religion, or you can support freedom. Perhaps you fail to recognize just how authoritarian and anti freedom religion actually is.

You are a cultural atheist, and a Christian only in name, you should realize this. You do not get to pick and choose what religion says and does, you do get to decide if you want to believe it or not.

How many of your friends are atheist/agnostic/"religious nones"?

That is a false dichotomy, and a lie. I am religious, and I support freedom.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed ; If I talk about the yellow circle what else am I taking about? This isn't hard.

Again, we are only discussing, whether mainstreem Christians can be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights, not the validity or lack thereof of the Bible, or the character of religious people. Stay on topic.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed I'm convinced you are a progressive, but I am not convinced you are a Christian, or perhaps more accurately you have an idea of what Christianity is that is not what it really is.

If you want to pick and choose what biblical verses you want to believe in and follow, including LGBTQI+ rights, you are not a Christian.

What you don't seem to comprehend, is the reason Christianity says that things like homosexuality are "sin" isn't because they are being judgmental, it's because they want to control you through fear and shame. It is a very effective albeit primitive social engineering tactic. tactic.

This is one of the reasons why religious participation has been in decline for decades, as people come to this realization. Every time progress moves religion fights and defies and censors it until it is proven better and religion can no longer stand, then it comes to rapid conclusions and claims that it was the source of the progress.

Religion is about magical thinking. It is about focusing on an imaginary world instead of on reality. It is the anchor that has been holding humanity back for hundreds of years.

If you are a Christian, then you follow the teachings of the bible, don't worry about what happens in this life because there is an eternal afterlife waiting ruled by a magical creator who no one alive has ever seen who has a happy place in the sky for you provided you worship him forever.

If you are a progressive, then focus on this world, and this one guaranteed existence. Enjoy life, love, learn, be free, and live the life you want to live. Do not allow yourself to be held back by wishful thinking, superstitions, and fear. Put your trust in science, philosophy, and reason. There is nothing to be afraid of, you just have to let go.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed I'm convinced you are a progressive, but I am not convinced you are a Christian, or perhaps more accurately you have an idea of what Christianity is that is not what it really is.

If you want to pick and choose what biblical verses you want to believe in and follow, including LGBTQI+ rights, you are not a Christian.

What you don't seem to comprehend, is the reason Christianity says that things like homosexuality are "sin" isn't because they are being judgmental, it's because they want to control you through fear and shame. It is a very effective albeit primitive social engineering tactic. tactic.

This is one of the reasons why religious participation has been in decline for decades, as people come to this realization. Every time progress moves religion fights and defies and censors it until it is proven better and religion can no longer stand, then it comes to rapid conclusions and claims that it was the source of the progress.

Religion is about magical thinking. It is about focusing on an imaginary world instead of on reality. It is the anchor that has been holding humanity back for hundreds of years.

If you are a Christian, then you follow the teachings of the bible, don't worry about what happens in this life because there is an eternal afterlife waiting ruled by a magical creator who no one alive has ever seen who has a happy place in the sky for you provided you worship him forever.

If you are a progressive, then focus on this world, and this one guaranteed existence. Enjoy life, love, learn, be free, and live the life you want to live. Do not allow yourself to be held back by wishful thinking, superstitions, and fear. Put your trust in science, philosophy, and reason. There is nothing to be afraid of, you just have to let go.

You don't get to dictate what religion I identify with. I noticed when you have no point that is on topic or not bigoted, you attack me personally. It is a fact, that not all religious people are opposed to freedom for anyone, let alone LGBTQI+ people. I have proof that Christians can support human rights. I am a progressive, and a Christian, and whether you accept that or not, is not my problem.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed And I have 2,000 years of evidence that religion is evil and hates homosexuals, as well as examples of it happening to this day in the middle east, where being openly gay will get you killed. Based on your most recent posts, you have no ground to stand on to say that modern Christians want that to be the case again.

 I'm not telling you what to believe, but what makes you think you get to decide what religion says?

Are you trying to pull a Joseph Smith or something?

Just going to go and start your own religion?

Be my guest. At this point it would be easier than convincing all the actual Christians to change their ways.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed And I have 2,000 years of evidence that religion is evil and hates homosexuals, as well as examples of it happening to this day in the middle east, where being openly gay will get you killed. Based on your most recent posts, you have no ground to stand on to say that modern Christians want that to be the case again.

 I'm not telling you what to believe, but what makes you think you get to decide what religion says?

Are you trying to pull a Joseph Smith or something?

Just going to go and start your own religion?

Be my guest. At this point it would be easier than convincing all the actual Christians to change their ways.

I am sorry for being mean. Can we start over? I am on another site, where I am receiving religious abuse, from a fellow Christian, for being bisexual, affirming, and progressive. I do not think Jesus would be very happy with mainstreem Christians, as He was also angry with the Pharisees, for corrupting God's love. Bigots like Westboro do not speak for God, and all being a Christian is supposed to mean, is being in a loving relationship with Jesus, and serving thy neighbor, gay or straight, rich or poor. If that means I am not a Christian, I will make my bed in Hell, rather than cause harm to a neighbor, which is against the Bible. I want to link you to another debate, I made, and think about whether you would like to participate. I want my faith to promote healing, not pain, and if I have offended you in any way, please forgive me. The debate: https://debateisland.com/discussion/4254/can-christians-hold-christians-accountable#latest

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed If people are harassing you on another site that is wrong.

That being said, my advice remains the same.

Don't stay in abusive relationships.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed If people are harassing you on another site that is wrong.

That being said, my advice remains the same.

Don't stay in abusive relationships.

I love my Christ, it's the mainstreem Christians that are the problem. Jesus had a similar and more severe issue with the Pharisees, a fanatical sect of Judaism.

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed I disagree, it isn't the people who are the problem.

It's the Ideas!

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed I disagree, it isn't the people who are the problem.

It's the Ideas!

I respect where you are coming from, but Jesus makes me feel so alive. Just because Christians can be nasty, does not mean Jesus is.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed I disagree, it isn't the people who are the problem.

It's the Ideas!

Happy_Killbot

@YeshuaRedeemed Do you have anyone who is your true friend, someone you can trust in full, and maybe even love?

There are people, in the here and now that will love and care for you, and some of them may even need you as much as you need them.

If you stick with a group, they will expect conformity. It isn't personal, it's just human nature. They are afraid of you and what you represent.

Jesus is made to be a drug for handling anxiety, but like so many drugs it is addictive, and comes with serious side effects.

You are a strong, independent young woman, why let something herd mentality hold you down when you could be flying?

RickeyD

@YeshuaRedeemed ; Nothing of what you said is true. The Word of God openly displays the depravity of mankind and insulting the Holy Spirit for the sin of man is not wise. You desperately seek to justify your lesbianism and rebellion to God by seeking to disparage His words and the Truth that you are living in wilful rebellion in your sexual perversion. You can project, blame, hate, accuse, but unless you repent of your immorality and turn to Jesus Christ for the mediation of your sin, you will NOT see life in God's Kingdom. You are kicking against the goads in futility and you only injure yourself, physiologically, psychologically, spiritually. Atheism-sexual immorality is death to the mind, body, soul, of the participant.

YeshuaBought

Happy_Killbot said:

@YeshuaRedeemed Do you have anyone who is your true friend, someone you can trust in full, and maybe even love?

There are people, in the here and now that will love and care for you, and some of them may even need you as much as you need them.

If you stick with a group, they will expect conformity. It isn't personal, it's just human nature. They are afraid of you and what you represent.

Jesus is made to be a drug for handling anxiety, but like so many drugs it is addictive, and comes with serious side effects.

You are a strong, independent young woman, why let something herd mentality hold you down when you could be flying?

Not in real like that affirms me as an LGBT person.

YeshuaBought

RickeyD said:

@YeshuaRedeemed ; Nothing of what you said is true. The Word of God openly displays the depravity of mankind and insulting the Holy Spirit for the sin of man is not wise. You desperately seek to justify your lesbianism and rebellion to God by seeking to disparage His words and the Truth that you are living in wilful rebellion in your sexual perversion. You can project, blame, hate, accuse, but unless you repent of your immorality and turn to Jesus Christ for the mediation of your sin, you will NOT see life in God's Kingdom. You are kicking against the goads in futility and you only injure yourself, physiologically, psychologically, spiritually. Atheism-sexual immorality is death to the mind, body, soul, of the participant.

You are such a ! I never insulted Holy Spirit!