Is it a great day to be an American as Trump is impeached?

Dee

No doubt the Orange one will wear his fingers out now on twitter as he attacks anyone and everyone who he holds a grudge against . I hope @TKDB and his buddies will stop wailing and crying now and they kept me awake last night as I heard their collective weeping across here in Europe .....Get over it guys 

TKDB

@Dee

I'll say this, I'm a U.S. citizen, and your non American opinion means zero to me.

And not one Republican voted to impeach the POTUS, last night.

So have a good day, in your non American country. 

MayCaesar

My guess is, he will convert negative publicity into positive political credit, as usual, and increase his chances of being reelected. The motion will not gain traction in the Senate and will die out, with Democrats desperately trying to save the case and making further mistakes in the process.

Say what you will about the guy's intelligence, but he is playing the media game a few moves ahead of his opponents.

Plaffelvohfen

What now you ask?

Not much I'm afraid... The a*s-licking spineless Senate will acquit him (Party over Country) and we'll have to wait until next November to see what happens.

But this impeachment will be an indelible smear, a permanent asterisk attached to his name in the history books, and that pisses him off "bigly", so there's that...

The trial in the senate will be a joke obviously, he should have the balls to testify himself but we know cadet bone-spur is a coward...

Dee

@Plaffelvohfen
 
Yes that’s about it , he is pissed off though and it will go down in history that he was impeached thus smeared which does indeed hurt the cowardly f—k .......

TKDB

@Dee

American History speaking for itself.

"Mark Meadows

@RepMarkMeadows

·

12h

Today will be remembered as the day your House Democrat majority voted to impeach President

@realDonaldTrump

for a crime they couldn’t find and a case they couldn’t prove. You won’t forget. And neither will we. "

"Mark Meadows Retweeted

Rep Andy Biggs

@RepAndyBiggsAZ

·

14h

"When all is said & done, when the history of this impeachment is written, it will be said my Democrat friends couldn’t bring themselves to work w/

@realDonaldTrump

so they consoled themselves instead by silencing the will of those who did:the American people." -

@RepMarkMeadows "

"Mark Meadows Retweeted

Washington Examiner

@dcexaminer

·

14h

"They're telling the American people that 233 Democrats deserve to decide who the President of the United States should be and disenfranchise 63 million voters."

@RepMarkMeadows

says today is indeed a "sad day" because of the impeachment pursuit against

@realDonaldTrump "

. 

Dee

@TKDB

American History speaking for itself .....

President Trump abused his power, violated his oath of office, and betrayed our nation. This is a solemn moment for our country. But in the United States of America, no one is above the law — not even the President.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) ;December 19, 2019

MichaelElpers

@Dee. Agreed no one is above the law...and they couldnt find a single crime to accuse him of.

What will happen now...the senate wont ow through, and as trumps approval grows and impeachment support dies, he will most likely get reelected

Dee

@MichaelElpers

***** Agreed no one is above the law...and they couldnt find a single crime to accuse him of.

Sure they can but as a nation you seem to breed political cowards who will do anything just  to put a pay check before justice 

Plaffelvohfen

@MichaelElpers

There is no "criminal" threshold for impeachment... It is not a criminal process and you know this. He did abuse his powers and undeniably obstructed Congress... 

But eh, it's only your Republic, doesn't really matter right? 

MichaelElpers

@Dee. They could?  Name the crime they are impeaching him for then.  

What they used was a bunch of assumptions and wishy washy crap to declare that they think he is abusing the office.  They didnt actually acuse him of any crimes...because they didnt find any.

MichaelElpers

@Plaffelvohfen. Undoubtedly obstructed congress?  Even liberal professors stated that they dont have a leg to stand on.

Dee

@MichaelElpers

They are impeaching him for abuse of power which is enough as well you know 

MichaelElpers

@Dee. Exactly, which everyone nows is a wishy washy bullcrap charge.  Theyve been trying to impeach him since he was elected.  Tried Russia collusion, Bribery and quid pro quo on a phone call and found didnt find hardly anything...

Its hard to be more partisan than deciding to impeach someone before any evidence is out which ia what many of them have said and done.

They are so fake Pelosi had to try and keep them from cheering when impeachment went through...seems like a group more interested in power than actually having Americas interest at heart.

Plaffelvohfen

Dee said:

@MichaelElpers

***** Agreed no one is above the law...and they couldnt find a single crime to accuse him of.

Sure they can but as a nation you seem to breed political cowards who will do anything just  to put a pay check before justice 

Oh, it's worst than that... At least 25% of Americans, actually hate their republic, they want a King and couldn't care less about democracy... Since they can't have the King and Master they really want (God/Jesus), they'll take any "King" instead... The majority of Trump's base are those evangelical crazy people who live in an alternate reality... It goes back to christianity's slave mentality, they want to be slaves, can't wait to shackle everybody else too...  Trump can cheat, lie, break laws, as long as he pushes for restrictions on abortion or other candy for the religious morons, they're quite fine with this lying adulterer as their Master...

It's not that Trump behavior is in any way surprising right? He has a long history of fraud, lying, and overall lack of class and human decency...  I read somewhere that Trump displays many characteristics of a solipsistic mindset, which makes a lot of sense... 

It's fascinating to see an empire crumble before our very eyes... I really don't know for how long it can hold though...

Plaffelvohfen

@MichaelElpers

Donald Trump is the first president in the history of the United States to seek to completely obstruct an impeachment inquiry undertaken by the House of Representatives under Article I of the Constitution, which vests the House with the ‘sole power of impeachment’... He has publicly and repeatedly rejected the authority of Congress to conduct oversight of his actions and has directly challenged the authority of the House to conduct an impeachment inquiry into his actions regarding Ukraine. 

No other president has flouted the Constitution and power of Congress to conduct oversight to this extent.

John_C_87

Dee said:

@TKDB

American History speaking for itself .....

President Trump abused his power, violated his oath of office, and betrayed our nation. This is a solemn moment for our country. But in the United States of America, no one is above the law — not even the President.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) ;December 19, 2019

Unrelated to Impeachment proceedings.

Not that it matters.

It would be Executive officer Trump as the elected official representation of United State Constitution. This particular elected official to the Oval office has not real as of yet utilized any Powers of President in testimony before Constitution, on behave of a basic principle legal precedent. Those action are of those made as Officer of Law in legislation making this more like a form of corporate hostile take over. A distraction to past neglects caused by discrimination questions in politics.

A Declaration of Presadera, and action like female specific amputation are a basic principle motivation in constitutional legislation as a state of the union. 

Dee

@John_C_87

***** A Declaration of Presadera

is “Presadera” ?

MichaelElpers

@Plaffelvohfen. How has he done this...he may have rejected the house ability to interrogate a couple of witnesses, but he released the entire transcript.  Im not sure where youre going with this.

The house as well did not allow many people to be called to the stand that could have helped made the case for an investigation into ukraine.

As far a evangelical christians being the ones that want a dictator, not sure how you come to that conclusion, there not the ones wanting to limit free speech and have the government take over every aspect of the economy (healthcare, education, guaranteed job and wage, housing, ect)...conservatives support limited government.

John_C_87

Dee said:

@John_C_87

***** A Declaration of Presadera

is “Presadera” ?

What is a President?

John_C_87

Dee said:

@John_C_87

***** A Declaration of Presadera

is “Presadera” ?

A Presadera is the fastest constitutional and legal way to create all woman as equal.

Dee

@John_C_87

As usual you  think your B S makes sense , it doesn’t .....just saying ........

John_C_87

Dee said:

@John_C_87

As usual you  think your B S makes sense , it doesn’t .....just saying ........

Talk is the easy part of your and Plaffelvohen's grievance Dee. If either of you have a faster way to create all woman equal, other than using the idea of sworn oath as the formation of United State for a international constitutional obligations to basic principle and legal precedent. Now would be the time to make that clear publicly. We address two issues here United State of Constitution and human discrimination. If either of you are not capable to contribute productively to the democracy please just concede all personal allegation and allow the whole delegation process of constitutional union to move forward. 

The idea of timing is not centered around leaning in general it is centered around its basic application in legal history and how easy it is to be pick up by others.

Dee

@John_C_87

Great thanks for clearing that up ....... are you bleating about?

Maybe @Plaffelvohfen can assist me in comprehending what you’re trying to say because I’m at a loss 

SkepticalOne

MichaelElpers said:

@Dee. Agreed no one is above the law...and they couldnt find a single crime to accuse him of.

What will happen now...the senate wont ow through, and as trumps approval grows and impeachment support dies, he will most likely get reelected

...besides betraying the public trust put in him, yah...no crime at all. I hope this will be the worst we see from him, but he has too many Americans willing to excuse him of any indiscretion. This is how democracy dies and dictators are created.

AlofRI

TKDB said:

@Dee

I'll say this, I'm a U.S. citizen, and your non American opinion means zero to me.

And not one Republican voted to impeach the POTUS, last night.

So have a good day, in your non American country. 

I have to admit, your second line IS a complete disgrace. It's a shame, really, that no Republicans showed up for the proceedings! I wonder where they've all gone?? It was a total, trumped up mess … conservatively speaking!

Plaffelvohfen

Dee said:

@John_C_87

Great thanks for clearing that up ....... are you bleating about?

Maybe @Plaffelvohfen can assist me in comprehending what you’re trying to say because I’m at a loss 

There is nothing to comprehend... He creates words like Presadera, include them with pseudo-legal terminology in hopes it will give some sort of academic credibility to his ravings...

Complete fail obviously... 

Dee

@Plaffelvohfen

Thats what I thought thanks for confirming , I thought he might be related to @TKDB .......

John_C_87

Plaffelvohfen said:

Dee said:

@John_C_87

Great thanks for clearing that up ....... are you bleating about?

Maybe @Plaffelvohfen can assist me in comprehending what you’re trying to say because I’m at a loss 

There is nothing to comprehend... He creates words like Presadera, include them with pseudo-legal terminology in hopes it will give some sort of academic credibility to his ravings...

Complete fail obviously... 

It could be a complete fail it, obviously isn’t.

 To be a complete fail it would need a reason for not creating all woman in basic principle equal. Something the legislation of law can never do. I have been compared to worse people than TKDB and have done much worse than to fail at an effort I set myself to accomplish.

I am waiting and still hoping we might see an answer for the pare of you… some day.

MichaelElpers

@SkepticalOne. I coulld make the case that democracy dies by removing an elected president for things that arent impeachable...Not sure how he betrayed American peoples trust.

Plaffelvohfen

@MichaelElpers

If trying to coerce a foreign allied government (currently under attack by Russia), to interfere with US elections is not an impeachable offense, nothing is... 

It arrives late but I think there might be hope for the republican party with the Lincoln Project... Now that's more like the Republican party that I once respected, a party with actual principles and genuine love for the Constitution!

MichaelElpers

@Plaffelvohfen. They were trying to investigate potential interference in the last election.

Plus it was just an investigation, if theres nothing there, there is no effect. Its not as though they were drafting a fake document.

Plaffelvohfen

@MichaelElpers

We've already been through that in an earlier post, want me to destroy this debunked theory again?? They were not trying to investigate interference in the last election, the idea of a Ukraine involvement in 2016 is pure Russian propaganda, it's on par with Flat Earth theory, that's how idiotic it is... Russia interfered, not Ukraine. That is beyond any doubt, it is factual and it's been known since 2017.... 

John_C_87

Dee said:

@John_C_87

Great thanks for clearing that up ....... are you bleating about?

Maybe @Plaffelvohfen can assist me in comprehending what you’re trying to say because I’m at a loss 

The basic idea of my question is how any minority vote without supporting evidence dictates the title earned by witness account before Constitution itself, in general. The single notion that a President is a automatic ability given to Executive office of the United States of America by vote is bogus. It appears as though this whole political fiasco of impeachment is a staged diversion on the legal consequences of basic perjury as the crime of a female becoming President of the United States becomes more and more underplayed. This is not sexual discrimination.

To create all woman as equal, by their creator the term Presadera is the fastest and most realistic way to accomplish instant equality for all woman as United State. This process works anywhere in the world, all nation not just America. It is not clear to me Dee if it is customary where you are from to have someone who has less experience then themselves, or knowledge of understanding teach about that basic understanding needed to be translated to them. 

Plaffelvohfen's on the bottom of the post is just as important to me as your within to post. This means the failure of any contribution to add productively to the debate is also equally missed and disappointing.

RickeyD

@Dee @Plaffelvohfen @MichaelElpers

President Trump will be seen as one of, if not the, greatest Presidents to have ever entered the Oval Office. America is consumed in God's wrath for our shedding of innocent blood relevant to the mutilation of 61-million babies subsequent to Roe/73 and President Trump is America's Sabbath before God's anger is poured out on America for its debauchery and compromise with evil i.e. atheism-abortion-sexual perversion. My letter to President Trump: https://rickeyholtsclaw.com/2017/09/08/president-trump-a-warning-a-prophecy-a-plea/

You and the atheists in this forum (as examples) are the resultant of God's wrath upon America as you blindly, deceptively, ignorantly, follow Satan i.e. Progressive-Socialist-Elites off the cliff of Socialism and Hell. There has never been a more , bloody, ignorant, traitorous, brainwashed, disloyal, sexually perverse, mindless, deceived, group of Americans than those possessed by the demonically-based Progressive-Democrat-Socialist Party of the United States.

You are a mentally ill, spiritually sick, morally demented, atheistic ignorant, group of people who lead America and America's posterity in the ways of Hell and death in hopeless. America is dying in apostasy and there are eschatological necessities for this truism but woe to the people which cause this Nation to self-destruct i.e. Progressive-Democrat-Socialists. May God have mercy on our children?

Dee

@RickeyD

Here is the start of your letter which like the pathetic bottom feeder you are has you  crawling all in the hope Trump acknowledges your rant in print ......Maybe you had dreams of framing his reply hanging it on the wall and boring family and members of your cult to death about the day the coward Trump replied  to you 

 Dear President Trump,

I have attempted to contact you over the past several months in various formats to deliver this message.  Yes Sir, I understand that there are pressing needs in Government, please take a few minutes and consider the message I’ve shared – our Lord is angry and His compassion, His patience will not endure forever – you have been warned and I have done what I have been asked to do.

Trump totally ignores your pleas yet  again as even he recognises  your  barking mad.

Trump is a coward who avoided the draft because he’s yellow yet insisted a military parade was held in his honour , Trump is a racist , a bully and a rapist along with being a compulsive yet idiots like you elevate him to god like status.

Run along now you you possibly have an abortion clinic to bomb or a homosexual to harass or maybe a branch meeting of the KKK to attend  

smoothie

@RickeyD You really love worshipping any higher form of power don't you? Despite Trumps inability to cater to your religous right, you still bow down. Is this your fetish?

Trump is an athiest, commits much of your "sin" on the daily, supports same-sex marriage, and remains moderate on many issues. I don't get how people like you would worship him. I guess you cling on to anything you get these days, I wouldn't blame you.

MayCaesar

RickeyD said:

There has never been a more , bloody, ignorant, traitorous, brainwashed, disloyal, sexually perverse, mindless, deceived, group of Americans than those possessed by the demonically-based Progressive-Democrat-Socialist Party of the United States. 

KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Communist Party USA, or Nation of Islam... Ever heard of those? Heck, at the dawn of this nation, there was a group called "loyalists" who advocated for literally killing people with the sole purpose of not allowing the US to emerge in the first place.

As for Trump, he seems to be quite a sex pervert himself. Nothing against it personally; I think that kinky sex is a good thing, and people should feel free to experiment in that regard. I just fail to see how he is supposed to fight sexual perversions when he is one of the most famous perpetuators of those.

MichaelElpers

@RickeyD. What are you talking about...i support trump and im not atheist.

SkepticalOne

MichaelElpers said:

@SkepticalOne. I coulld make the case that democracy dies by removing an elected president for things that arent impeachable...Not sure how he betrayed American peoples trust.

The notion that there 'isn't a crime, thus no reason to impeach' is faulty for two reasons:
1) There are a number of implicit crimes suggested by the testimony so far. Plus, defying the congressional subpoenas for documents and witness is a crime in and of itself.
2) No crime is necessary for impeachment. The founders were quite clear on this point. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/28/abuse-of-power-enough-to-impeach-no-crimes-necessary-column/2479066001/

SkepticalOne

MichaelElpers said:

@RickeyD. What are you talking about...i support trump and im not atheist.

Oops, apparently Ricky disagreed with something you said. That makes you a socialist, atheist, and a babykilling democrat. Don't try to deny it - he can assign your views without your input!

AlofRI

Is it a great day? No, it's a terrible day! It's a terrible day that an American President HAD to be impeached. It's a terrible thing that we elected such an unscrupulous being and gave it the power to circumvent our Constitution, to empower other unscrupulous (and often unqualified) beings to circumvent other things that have been put in place by QUALIFIED individuals. It's a terrible day when one of those beings ruins our education system that others were TRYING to improve. It's a terrible day when another of those beings re-pollutes our clean water and air. When one confiscates the office of the American people's Attorney General and "privatizes it" for the individual in the Oval Office who uses that to entertain our enemies … while making it difficult for our allies to get a much needed visit. It's a terrible day when American citizens are insulted FROM that office. It's a terrible day when HIS, not OUR, Senate decides they have decided to find a criminal not guilty, in a trial that allows NO evidence, NO witnesses …. unless they pay homage to the accused.

Yes, it's a terrible day for America. But, Merry Christmas …………. (I really don't know how to punctuate that wish …. with an exclamation point … or a question mark !)

CYDdharta

The best thing about the sham impeachment is that is guarantees Pres. Trump reelection.

CYDdharta

Dee said:

@TKDB

American History speaking for itself .....

President Trump abused his power, violated his oath of office, and betrayed our nation. This is a solemn moment for our country. But in the United States of America, no one is above the law — not even the President.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) ;December 19, 2019

Hilarious statement, coming, as it does, from someone who deserves to be investigated but is above the law due to his status as a presidential candidate.

CYDdharta

Plaffelvohfen said:

@MichaelElpers

Donald Trump is the first president in the history of the United States to seek to completely obstruct an impeachment inquiry undertaken by the House of Representatives under Article I of the Constitution, which vests the House with the ‘sole power of impeachment’... He has publicly and repeatedly rejected the authority of Congress to conduct oversight of his actions and has directly challenged the authority of the House to conduct an impeachment inquiry into his actions regarding Ukraine. 

No other president has flouted the Constitution and power of Congress to conduct oversight to this extent.

Pres. Trump is the only president in US history to have been the subject of an entirely partisan witch hunt disguised as an impeachment.  No other impeachment in US history has been completely partisan, the only votes that have been bipartisan have been the votes AGAINST the impeachment inquiry and against the impeachment articles.  No other House Speaker has so completely dismissed the opposition party and denied the President his rights.

Dee

*****Hilarious statement, coming, as it does, from someone who deserves to be investigated but is above the law due to his status as a presidential candidate.


Wow ! didn't see that coming 

Dee

@AlofRI

Happy Christmas to you too Al 

MayCaesar

Indeed, Trump's reelection is virtually guaranteed now, whether for the better or worse. This was a very lazy attempt at unsitting him, and Democrats did not even bother trying to get some bipartisan support of the initiative. It will be shut down in the Senate, and this failure will be something Trump will use to his advantage in the upcoming election cycle.

Is constitutional republic not amazing? When one party cannot just do whatever it wants, and some form of consensus is required for any major political action to be taken. And hastily taken actions have consequences for the takers.

Remember how David Cameron miscalculated his position, initiated the Brexit vote, lost and immediately stepped down? That is the character. If Pelosi and others step down after the initiative fails at the Senate and apologise for miscalculating their position, I will respect them. Pelosi is a very experienced and smart person, and should know when to resign and give a chance to new people.

Plaffelvohfen

@MayCaesar

Just for the fun of it, and to acknowledge that you may well be right that Trump will be reelected, I'm willing to bet $100 (it's just to make a point after all) that he will not, and will loose in 2020... "Guaranteed" is a strong word to use in this context at this moment I'm afraid, up for it?   

MayCaesar

@Plaffelvohfen

Well, I added "virtually" to "guaranteed". Obviously there are no hard guarantees. As one of my professors used to say, "There are only two guarantees in life: death and taxes". However, so far nothing indicates that Trump's opponents will be able to put up a fight: their position is much shakier than it was in 2016, and even then they lost.

I would say that roughly the chance of Trump being reelected is 85%. Of course, politics, by its nature, is unpredictable, and there can be many events in between now and November of 2020 that will upset the current expectations.