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Are progressive leftists, truly tolerant.

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I am fiscally centrist, and socially libertarian, so I don't believe in , but today, I want to call out progressive leftists. On Facebook, I was told by a progressive leftist, that they wish I was never born, being I disagreed with their agenda. That's the thing about leftist's: If you disagree with them, they will start in with the ad homenims, and yes, so do the conservatives. I am so ****ing tired of people treating politics, like a religion. If you disagree, do yoy boo, but at least use logic and facts, rather than lies. **** politics!



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  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    Meh... Some are, some aren't... That is true of any human regardless of gender, colour, political affiliation or any other label you may think of really....
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @YeshuaBought ; You will not find a more radically intolerant group of people than Progressive-Socialist-Democrats...


    YeshuaBought
  • YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 669 Pts   -  
    RickeyD said:
    @YeshuaBought ; You will not find a more radically intolerant group of people than Progressive-Socialist-Democrats...


    I agree. I am already having mental health issues, and not only did they make fun of me, they said they wish I was never born, and compared Christian husbands to rapists. Not only does the Bible say for Christian husbands to love their wives, as Christ loved the church, they are full of bunk.
    RickeyDPlaffelvohfen
  • smoothiesmoothie 434 Pts   -  
    No matter the label, intolerant people are everywhere and painting one side as "tolerant" or "intolerant" is kinda strange. Also assuming tolerance doesn't have a set definition which it doesn't, it means different things to different people.
    Plaffelvohfen
    why so serious?
  • YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 669 Pts   -  
    smoothie said:
    No matter the label, intolerant people are everywhere and painting one side as "tolerant" or "intolerant" is kinda strange. Also assuming tolerance doesn't have a set definition which it doesn't, it means different things to different people.
    I agree with you to a point. Leftist Democrats pretend to be the Party of tolerance, but in reality, are anything but. They are hypocrites, and they can kiss my ***!
    Plaffelvohfen
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @smoothie ; I believe the relevant differentiation concerning tolerance v. intolerance is the subject at hand. Christians are "intolerant" of abortion - homosexuality - atheism - Darwinism - socialism because these subjects are harmful to the individual, to society, to the soul of man, the family unit, America and most importantly, abortion and sexual immorality are sin against our God, His plan and purposes for our lives; therefore, Christians stand against these behaviors because they offend the God we love.

    The "LEFT" is intolerant of faith, Jesus Christ, Christians, democracy, capitalism, Donald Trump, Trump supporters, Republicans, gun rights, because these things represent the bedrock of America, American history-culture and morality, goodness, hope, hard work, perseverance, Americanism, the Biblical family unit...

    It's a matter of one's worldview and whether or not said worldview and ideology is sustainable and wholesome and good and honorable in love and faithfulness.


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -   edited January 2020
    Assuming you are talking about socialists like Bernie Sanders, I think what truly drives them in general is not tolerance, but "bleeding heart", when they routinely get too emotional about helping others and start confusing wishful thinking with reality. Wanting to help others is great, but, like any other great thing, it can get out of hand. People start radicalising and get to the point where they see taking from some by force in order to give others as moral and just.
    Tolerance does not really enter the equation; only, perhaps, at the very beginning, but it quickly gives way to darker emotions. When you want to help others, but invest so much emotions in this desire that they become perverted and you now feel anger over some people needing help in the first place - that is when you start becoming a socialist. And you are no longer tolerant to those having a different opinion.

    Socialism can be seen as the Dark Side of wanting to help others. Lucas was exactly on point with his idea of how noble intentions sharp enough can lead to destruction, as they did for Darth Vader, who cared so much about corruption, injustice and love that they ultimately perverted him and made him into a dark hateful creature.

    You also see the same thing in some relationships, where the initial love is so strong that it breaks people inside, and eventually they start dealing a lot of pain to each other, forgetting what made them get together in the first place.

    The moral of this is that emotions are beautiful, but should be tamed and mixed with logic. You cannot run on emotions alone; they will ultimately destroy you. Think of it as driving a car: if you drive at the speed of 1 mph, then it will take you ages to arrive at your destination, and the car will be useless - but if you drive at the speed of 200 mph, then you will destroy the car's engine. You have to drive at a reasonable speed in between. Emotions and logic are like this as well: they have to be mixed in a certain proportion. Too much logic, and you become a robot stuck in its own loop of thought; too much emotions, and your mind starts falling apart, unable to handle the feelings. With the right proportion, you can both enjoy very sharp emotions regularly, and not let them break you.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1577 Pts   -  
     @RickeyD

    Since when have christians been intolerant of socialism?!?!? Your religion preaches that it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't adhere to the merits of greed and self indulgence, you should probably go live in Russia and let the US be left to the winners. Socialism is just christianity in a political form. I serve myself before all others. I bet your book will say I'm wrong because of that. Strangely enough, the communist manifesto will say I'm wrong for that too!    
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @piloteer ; If you knew what "the eye of the needle" was and the context of the parable you would know that it is NOT impossible for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God but that they must be willing to place the Lord as primary in their life and live in accordance with His will as opposed to seeking the treasures of the World in futile narcissism.

    The "eye of the needle" in ancient times was a very small gate in the city wall that permitted passage at night for those who were stranded outside the city once the large gates were secured at dark. It was a dangerous thing to be trapped outside the protective confines of the city; therefore, these small openings in the wall could be guarded by one-soldier and easily secured.

    If a traveler was on camel back and desired to enter the city after dark, the camel would have to be off-loaded of all goods and treasure, then the camel would have to bow-down and literally shuffle through the "eye of the needle" in order to enter the city. This is a picture of the rich man who, desiring to be saved, must humble himself (bow down to the Lord) and remove his love and lust for wealth, set them aside, in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus is teaching a parabolic lesson if the listener will listen and understand.  Jesus was NOT a socialist but a conservative capitalist and 2nd-Amendment advocate.


  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @piloteer ; Eye of the needle #2


  • piloteerpiloteer 1577 Pts   -   edited January 2020
    @RickeyD

    So a rich man would have to give up all his wealth and become poor and desolate to bow before jesus, and then MAYBE he'll be allowed into heaven. I think all my wealth buys me all the happiness I need. I'm unmoved jesus stalin. Christians are commies. It's OK to be rich and serve yourself. That's what the US constitution has given us. Your bablical laws of "help others" is UNAmerican. It's no coincidence that christ believed in putting others before yourself, just like marx. 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  

    1) No, I never said that. The rich man is saved just like the poor man, by grace (unmerited favor) through faith (trusting-believing) in Yeshua-Jesus as Lord for the mediation of sin and thereby receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor and the Seal of relationship.

    The problem is, the rich, like the atheist, are deceived and lustful for the things of this lost, dying, temporary, World and God the Father will NOT be relegated to 2nd-place in anyone's life. You will love the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, your strength, or you're not worthy of His love and sacrifice and covenants concerning Truth and Eternal life.

    2) Christ taught to love one another, to love your neighbor, to do good unto others expecting nothing in return because our treasure is in Heaven, not on Earth.

    3) Marx cared nothing for people, he was foolish...socialism-Leninism and Marxism are for fools and the historically ignorant.


  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  

  • YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 669 Pts   -  
    MayCaesar said:
    Assuming you are talking about socialists like Bernie Sanders, I think what truly drives them in general is not tolerance, but "bleeding heart", when they routinely get too emotional about helping others and start confusing wishful thinking with reality. Wanting to help others is great, but, like any other great thing, it can get out of hand. People start radicalising and get to the point where they see taking from some by force in order to give others as moral and just.
    Tolerance does not really enter the equation; only, perhaps, at the very beginning, but it quickly gives way to darker emotions. When you want to help others, but invest so much emotions in this desire that they become perverted and you now feel anger over some people needing help in the first place - that is when you start becoming a socialist. And you are no longer tolerant to those having a different opinion.

    Socialism can be seen as the Dark Side of wanting to help others. Lucas was exactly on point with his idea of how noble intentions sharp enough can lead to destruction, as they did for Darth Vader, who cared so much about corruption, injustice and love that they ultimately perverted him and made him into a dark hateful creature.

    You also see the same thing in some relationships, where the initial love is so strong that it breaks people inside, and eventually they start dealing a lot of pain to each other, forgetting what made them get together in the first place.

    The moral of this is that emotions are beautiful, but should be tamed and mixed with logic. You cannot run on emotions alone; they will ultimately destroy you. Think of it as driving a car: if you drive at the speed of 1 mph, then it will take you ages to arrive at your destination, and the car will be useless - but if you drive at the speed of 200 mph, then you will destroy the car's engine. You have to drive at a reasonable speed in between. Emotions and logic are like this as well: they have to be mixed in a certain proportion. Too much logic, and you become a robot stuck in its own loop of thought; too much emotions, and your mind starts falling apart, unable to handle the feelings. With the right proportion, you can both enjoy very sharp emotions regularly, and not let them break you.
    My opinion is that socialism and capitilism, both are too extreme. I agree that healthcare is a right, but socialists don't have the right to take all of people's money, if they worked hard for that. Also, Jesus said some conservative things as well, so I think it's blasphemy to call Him any political label.
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