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The meaning of "logos" (word) in John 1:1: Is it a person?

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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (NIV)

This debate will cover the meaning of the Koine Greek word logos as it was used in the Gospel of John chapter one verse one. All arguments must pertain to this verse regarding the author's intended use of the word logos. Any Bible verses used must be shown to have direct bearing on the author's intended use of this word in the verse in question. I will be arguing in the position against this word being used to refer to any person in this verse.

It is of inestimable importance for any serious student of the Bible to come to a basic understanding of the Koine Greek word logos, which most Bibles render as "Word." in John 1:1. The translation "Word" is certainly not to be taken in the ordinary sense as the English language would normally assign it, however to take the position that it in any way refers to a person is stretching logos far beyond its lexical scope and well beyond any indications in the verse itself. Nonetheless, the common understanding among Trinitarian Christians is that the word logos in this verse refers directly to Jesus Christ, and so for this reason the English translators of the KJV saw fit to capitalize "Word" according to the common English convention for indicating persons. The Greek source texts for the New Testament, however, were written in all capital letters known as uncials without spaces, punctuation, accents or diacritical marks. So the decision as to whether to capitalize any word translated from a Koine Greek source text into English cannot be determined by indications in the source text alone. A study of the word logos shows that out of more than 300 occurrences in the Greek NT, the KJV and the NIV both capitalize the word only seven times and even these versions disagree as to when capitalization is necessary. I would suggest that when a word occurring more than 300 times is capitalized fewer than 10 times, obviously the decision of when to capitalize it is based on the translators personal theological understanding of Scripture.
                   
Logos has a wide range of meaning within the New Testament which follow two lines of thought:

  1. The mind and products of the mind like “reason,”  therefore "logic" is related to logos, and
  2. The expression of that reason as a “word,” “saying,” “command” etc.   
I would suggest that the first meaning #1 above best describes the meaning of logos in verse 1, since logos is still with Him at this point and has not yet been expressed as a creative command which would be meaning #2.

John expressed his ideas in this verse in a poetic reference to Genesis 1:1 which says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." In day one of creation, the precedent is set for God's creative "word," or command being used as the agent of creation. When God created, he used commands e.g. "Let thee be light." This is precisely the concept that John was trying to convey with His use of the term "logos." When God's plan is His conception as it exists before He issues a creative command, it is described by John as being "with" Him.  and when that plan is set in motion by a command it is said to be "made flesh," which is a term that is still used even today in poetic reference to John 1:14. A person might say, "Today my plans have been made flesh" and people will know that he means that his plans have been realized or have come into fruition. In John 1 God's "word" becoming flesh has a double meaning, because His "word" became "flesh" and blood when His moral characteristics and the purposes that God had for mankind that were contained in His Word became realized in the life of His Son Jesus. This, however occurs in v. 14. This is not the meaning of logos in verse 1.

In addition to John's direct reference to Genesis1, there is also a direct parallel between logos in John 1:1 and proverbs 8, which is also linked to Genesis1:

Wisdom’s Part in Creation

22 The Lord created me at the beginning[a] of his work,[b]
    the first of his acts of long ago.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
    at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
    when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
    before the hills, I was brought forth—
26 when he had not yet made earth and fields,[c]
    or the world’s first bits of soil.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there,
    when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
    when he established the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
    so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30     then I was beside him, like a master worker;[d]
and I was daily his[e] delight,
    rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
    and delighting in the human race.

Nobody takes Wisdom in Proverbs 8 as being an actual feminine person, but instead as a poetic personification of God's attribute of wisdom. Likewise logos can be seen as a personification of Gods reason and plan. The parallels are far too similar to ignore or pass off as coincidental or insignificant. Just as logos in John 1:1 is "with" God in the beginning, so Wisdom is "beside" God in the beginning in Proverbs 8. Both verses are saying the same thing. They are poetic personifications, not actual persons.

       The wide range of meaning logos has within scripture is shown in the following scriptural occurrences: account, appearance, book, command, conversation, eloquence, flattery, grievance, heard, instruction, matter, message, ministry, news, proposal, question, reason, reasonable, reply, report, rule, rumor, said, say, saying, sentence, speaker, speaking, speech, stories, story, talk, talking, teaching, testimony, thing, things, this, truths, what, why, word and words. Obviously the word "logos" covers a lot of ground!

Any good Greek lexicon will show this wide range of meaning. (Words in bolded italics in the following are translated from logos)
  • speaking; words you say (Rom. 15:18, “what I have said and done”).
  • a statement you make (Luke 20:20 – (NASB), “they might catch him in some statement).
  • a question (Matt. 21:24, “I will also ask you one question”).
  • preaching (1 Tim. 5:17, “especially those whose work is preaching and teaching).
  • command (Gal. 5:14, “the entire law is summed up in a single command).
  • proverb; saying (John 4:37, “thus the saying, ‘One sows, and another reaps’”).
  • message; instruction; proclamation (Luke 4:32, “his message had authority”).
  • assertion; declaration; teaching (John 6:60, “this is a hard teaching”).
  • the subject under discussion; matter (Acts 8:21, “you have no part or share in this ministry.” Acts 15:6 (NASB), “And the apostles… came together to look into this matter”).
  • revelation from God (Matt. 15:6, “you nullify the Word of God ”).
  • God’s revelation spoken by His servants (Heb. 13:7, “leaders who spoke the Word of God”).
  • a reckoning, an account (Matt. 12:36, “men will have to give account on the day of judgment).
  • an account or “matter” in a financial sense (Matt. 18:23, A king who wanted to settle “accounts” with his servants. Phil. 4:15, “the matter of giving and receiving”).
  • a reason; motive (Acts 10:29 – NASB), “I ask for what reason you have sent for me”). [1]
    Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (University of Chicago Press, 1979).

The proper meaning for any occurrence of logos can only be derived from a careful study of its context. There is nothing in the context to lead to the conclusion that logos of John 1:1 is a direct reference to Jesus. Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition for logos, so the verse is not saying, "in the beginning was Jesus." The term logos or "the word" is, after all, not synonymous with Jesus or with "the Messiah." This is an idea that was introduced at a much later time by Christian writers in reference to the description given in Revelation 19:13 which is a part of an apocalyptic vision, and the title "word of God" is meant to symbolically impart the understanding that Jesus "embodies" God's message and is His representative on the earth. The Revelation was written years later and therefore had no bearing on John's Gospel. By making a direct reference to Genesis 1 and a direct parallel to Proverbs 8, John was linking logos with God's creative plan and process through the use of poetic personification. Once again, he did not intend that logos was an actual person.

Logos
 in John 1:1 refers to God’s creative power. It is His reason, His purposes and plans, which He brings into action. It refers to God’s self-expression, or communication, of Himself as it has come to pass in His creation and in heaven, e.g. "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."  It has also come through the words of the prophets and through the Scriptures, which contain the written Word. Finally, and most importantly, it has come into being through His Son. (Heb. 1:1-2) The important thing to know is that all of these things are expressions of God's logos. To limit the term to Jesus alone is missing the point that John was making! Logos represents God's wisdom expressed in action. Just as anyones wisdom is "with them" always and guides and determines their actions, so God's logos, which is the expression and evidence of His wisdom, has always been "with" Him. We must not mistake personification of God's Word as being an actual person. Jesus is an expression of God's Wisdom, which is why He is called the "image of God." An image is never the thing it is an image of! The plain truth is that an image, no matter how perfect it may be, is still only a representation or reflection of something. Jesus is, therefore, what the logos "became," implying that the character and qualities of God's Holy nature took form in a human life, the life of Jesus of Nazareth. God's "wisdom" or "logos" or creative self-expression "became flesh" or was "realized" and made known (manifested) in the Life of His Son Jesus. The logos of John 1:1 is not a pre-existent person that was physically present with God, The Gospel writer used the word "logos" as a poetic personification to represent the expression of God's character and holy nature which at the chosen time became imbued or manifested in the life of His Son Jesus.





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  • Round 1 | Position: For
    RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    In John 1, the Word is Jesus Christ-Yeshua - the Living Word who is God who became flesh as noted in v. 14 of John 1.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.

    John’s Witness: The True Light

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

    10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  John 1:1-13 (NKJV)

    In Colossians 1 it is written of Jesus Christ...

    15 He is the *image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.   (* emphasis mine)

    *image = εἰκὼν eikōn  =

    1504 eikṓn (from 1503 /eíkō, "be like") – properly, "mirror-like representation," referring to what is very close in resemblance (like a "high-definition" projection, as defined by the context). Image (1504 /eikṓn) then exactly reflects its source (what it directly corresponds to). For example, Christ is the very image (1504 /eikṓn, supreme expression) of the Godhead (see 2 Cor 4:4; Col 1:15).

    "1504 (eikṓn) assumes a prototype, of which it not merely resembles, but from which it is drawn" (R. Trench). 1504 (eikṓn) then is more than a "shadow"; rather it is a replication (F. F. Bruce, Hebrews, 226; see also Lightfoot at Col 3:10 and 2:21).







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  • Round 1 | Position: For
    YahisgoodYahisgood 4 Pts   -   edited March 2020

    1In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and what God was the word was.
     2This word was in the beginning with God.
     3All things came into being through it, and apart from it nothing came into being that has come into being.
     4In it was life, and the life was the light of humankind.
     5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.

    First of all, the topic of debate here is John 1:1 not John 1:14. Second, there is a Chronological sequence within John 1. John 1:14 speaks of the Birth of Christ which is His beginning. Birth always speaks of a person's beginning. No historical precedent exists for anything otherwise. The birth of Christ in John 1:14 is thousands of years distant chronologically from the beginning spoken of in verse 1. To argue regarding John 1:1 from the stance of John 1:14, is to read ideas backwards into the text from the future. This is equally true of the only other verse that speaks of Jesus as the "Word of God," Revelation 19:13:

    And he is clothed in a robe sprinkled with blood, and his name is called The Word of God.

    Revelation, is an apocalyptic book.  Apocalyptic writings are marked by distinctive literary features, particularly prediction of future events and accounts of visionary experiences or journeys to heaven, often involving vivid symbolism. Revelation 19:13  is part of a vision and is written in symbols. Jesus being given the title "word of God" is a symbolic picture of His role as God's representative on the earth. Rev. 19:13 had not yet been written at the time of the writing of John's gospel account and incidentally, it is the belief of most scholars that the Gospel of John, as well as the epistles attributed to him, were written by a different person than the author of Revelation, but whether or not Revelation was written by John the Apostle of Christ does not change the fact that this verse did not exist at the Time that John wrote his Gospel account. The Gospel of John was written anywhere from shortly after 70 AD to around 90 AD, but the Revelation was not written until around 96 AD. A person reading John's Gospel in the time before the Revelation was written would do so knowing nothing about Jesus being referred to as the Word of God, and so reading the words "In the beginning was the Word" would not cause them to think of Jesus or think that these words were referring to Him.

    It is important to note that Jesus is what the logos "became" in verse 14. Verse 1 does not identify logos as Jesus or as God. I have no problem with you believing whatever you choose to believe, but in a debate, you need to answer in regards to the topic at hand. I don't disagree that V. 14 is speaking of Jesus, but that is not what we are talking about here! In verse 1 "logos" or "word" is Gods creative self-expression, not a pre-incarnate Christ. The verse says alludes to no such thing. In order to come to this conclusion you must drag in pre-conceived notions that the text never suggests in any way! In verse 1, the circumstances described in v. 14 have not yet occurred, and Jesus is not yet associated with the logos or "word" because He does not yet exist. Revelation has not Yet been written, so what is written there is irrelevant. Logos in verse 1 of John 1 must be taken as it is written without drawing in any pre-conceived notions that can only be inferred from texts that do not yet exist at the time of the writing of John's prologue of John 1:1. There is a huge difference between being called logos or "word" as a descriptive title that designates being God's representative who speaks the "word" or commands of God to the people, and actually being God's word (logos) which is the word that describes the various aspects of the mind and creative force of God. Jesus reflected God's characteristics of holiness and morality which is why He was called the "image of God," but an image, no matter how perfect, is still only a representation of something. It cannot be that something! This is a logical impossibility, so your definition for eikon is irrelevant and does not alter the meaning of "image" in any significant way!

    The question which this topic revolves around is the true meaning of John1:1c

    In 1933, E.C. Colwell tried to establish a Greek rule of grammar. He claimed that “a definite predicate nominative has the article when it follows the verb; it does not have the article when it precedes the verb.” He was attempting to support the traditional translation of John 1.1c, and traditionalists ever since have cited this “Colwell Rule.” Yet Colwell admitted that the exception to his rule was that the context could demand otherwise.

    In 1973, Philip Harner wrote, “Colwell was almost entirely concerned with the question whether anarthrous predicate nouns were definite or indefinite, and he did not discuss at any length the problem of their qualitative significance.” Harner shows that when an anarthrous predicate noun precedes the verb, as in John 1.1c, it has a distinctly qualitative force that is more prominent than its definiteness or indefiniteness. Harner concludes, “In John 1.1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite.” Thus, he renders theos qualitative in 1.1c.

    So, according to Harner’s analysis the traditional translation of John 1.1c (“and the Word was God”) is incorrect. To date, Harner’s determinations have not been thwarted. Rather, an increasing number of scholars have endorsed his compelling argument and therefore have abandoned the traditional translation of John 1.1c.

    Harner ends his article by endorsing the New English Bible (NEB) translation of John 1.1c. It reads, “and what God was, the Word was.” This means that the Word, which later became Jesus of Nazareth, was exactly like God without being God. This translation treats the anarthrous theos as adjectival, thus qualitative, without translating it “divine.” This rendering corresponds well with the last clause in Hebrews 1.3. It reads, “He [Jesus] is the radiance of His [God’s] glory and the exact representation of His [God’s] nature.”

    Finally, this NEB translation of Jn 1.1c—“and what God was, the Word was”—links with the following sayings of Jesus in the Gospel of John:

    •  “the Father is in Me, and I in the Father” (John 10.38, cf. 30).
    •  “And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me” (John 12.45).
    •  “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14.9).
    •  “I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me” (John 14.11, cf. v. 20).
    •  “Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God’” (John 20.28).
      Jesus’ words in John 14.9, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father,” explain John 1.1c.
      What say the scholars? Marinus de Jonge says, “The author of this Prologue clearly wants to identify ‘the Word’ and God as closely as possible without infringing the belief in the One God.” William Barclay states, “When John said the word was God he was not saying that Jesus was identical with God; he was saying that Jesus was so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in him we perfectly see what God is like.”
      In my book, The Restitution of Jesus Christ (2008), I devote 12 pages to a thorough examination of John 1.1c. In doing so, I cite 26 distinguished scholars and their works.
      http://servetustheevangelical.com/doc/Is_Jesus_God_in_John_1.1c.pdf

    A very clear explanation of how to translate theos without the definite article can be found in Jesus As They Knew Him, by William Barclay, a professor at Trinity College in Glasgow:

    In a case like this we cannot do other than go to the Greek, which is theos en ho logos. Ho is the definite article, the, and it can be seen that there is a definite article with logos, but not with theos. When in Greek two nouns are joined by the verb “to be,” and when both have the definite article, then the one is fully intended to be identified with the other; but when one of them is without the article, it becomes more an adjective than a noun, and describes rather the class or sphere to which the other belongs.

    An illustration from English will make this clear. If I say, “The preacher is the man,” I use the definite article before both preacher and man, and I thereby identify the preacher with some quite definite individual man whom I have in mind. But, if I say, “The preacher is man,” I have omitted the definite article before man, and what I mean is that the preacher must be classified as a man, he is in the sphere of manhood, he is a human being.

    [In the last clause of John 1:1] John has no article before theos, God. The logos, therefore, is not identified as God or with God; the word theos has become adjectival and describes the sphere to which the logos belongs. We would, therefore, have to say that this means that the logos belongs to the same sphere as God; without being identified with God, the logos has the same kind of life and being as God. Here the NEB [New English Bible] finds the perfect translation: “What God was, the Word was.”

    https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/but-what-about-john-1-1

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and what God was the word was.

    All of this strongly ways in favor of the unitarian position, but even more important is that the lack of any indication in John 1:1 that logos refers to Jesus. That evidence simply does not exist!

    RickeyD
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