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The earth is flat

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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    He still sees the curvature. @silverishgoldnova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Erfisflat Is my door curved
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -   edited July 2017

    @silverishgoldnova he still sees a curve! Even after he drew a flat line on one side of it! This may be serious!

    @coveny, do you see a curve here?


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Erfisflat by they way im silverishgoldnova not silverishnova
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Coveny said:
    Erfisflat said:
    I've almost run out of patience. He's Just cherry picking me so I have to repeat myself or silent concessions with ad hom and nuh-uhs. @coveny you know the difference in ad hom and talking smack, right? 
    You seem very keen on there being a difference between smack talk and ad hominem attacks, why don't you explain your stance clearly rather than being vague and condescending... for once. 
    Take that as a no
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:

    @coveny, do you see a curve here?


    I see several you don't?
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    Coveny said:
    Erfisflat said:
    I've almost run out of patience. He's Just cherry picking me so I have to repeat myself or silent concessions with ad hom and nuh-uhs. @coveny you know the difference in ad hom and talking smack, right? 
    You seem very keen on there being a difference between smack talk and ad hominem attacks, why don't you explain your stance clearly rather than being vague and condescending... for once. 
    Take that as a no
    Take that as a no. If you don't know something try doing some of that research you "say" you've spent 2 years doing and find an answer. (hopefully you'll do better than that epic fail you just had accusing me of a false dichotomy... but I doubt it as you are a really confirmation bias researcher)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    haha


    SilverishGoldNova
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny ;It's starting to look like you know nothing about your own model, let alone the flat Earth
    Erfisflat
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Coveny It's starting to look like you know nothing about your own model, let alone the flat Earth
    It's been looking like you know nothing.
    SilverishGoldNovaErfisflat
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Coveny Interesting because you were just trying to argue that the flat Earth model can't have time zones.
    Erfisflat
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Coveny About?
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny The reason there are sunsets and sunrises happen on a flat Earth is simply put because of perspective, which the video ignores. The video really isn't a flat Earth debunk video, more an attempt at debunking a spotlight sun using specific assumptions. 
    Erfisflat
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    You know, I am starting to think that Coveny secretly conceded but is too afraid to tell anyone @Erfisflat
    ErfisflatWoodenWood
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -   edited July 2017
     

    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Coveny Interesting because you were just trying to argue that the flat Earth model can't have time zones.
    No I was arguing that time zones aren't explained with the flat earth model.
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
     


    And yet you can't point a single logical fallacy out that I committed. It's like flat earth, you're just making that up.




    Flight times are... NASA = lie in gibberish... mutter perspective... mutter refraction... mutter insults

    https://www.metabunk.org/flat-earth-theory-debunked-by-short-flights-qf27-qf28-from-australia-to-south-america.t6483/
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny Nothing about what tho? Using constant ad hominem attacks? 
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Coveny Nothing about what tho? Using constant ad hominem attacks? 
    And the fact that you still don't understand just reinforces what I'm correct. "Constant"? No there are breaks in the middle where I prove flat earth is a fantasy, from your fantasy book about unicorns and satyrs and genocidal floods that never happened.
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    "Doesn't explaintime zones" It does, and also you showed the exact same video before. Then you argued that the flat Earth doesn't explain??? Then when I showed the spotlight sun gif you showed the same video. Interesting @Coveny


    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    "Doesn't explaintime zones" It does, and also you showed the exact same video before. Then you argued that the flat Earth doesn't explain??? Then when I showed the spotlight sun gif you showed the same video. Interesting @Coveny


    It's true because you say it's true? Doesn't work that way. If the sun is above us at all times then why can't we see it? How does it move to change height in the sky? Your model addresses none of this. It's like that stuff about a picture flipping because you look at from a different perspective, it's all . You address none of the issues with your model and claim perspective and refraction magically do things they aren't capable of doing. 
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny I didn't read the bible and decide "the Earth is clearly flat". Instead I looked at the evidence.Also, we all know what you meant by "you know nothing". I am not the one arguing with "refraction", and I never said it was true simplly because I think it is. 
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    The earth isn't mathematically perfectly flat, but it isn't a ball.


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    agsr said:
    @Erfisflat, a few followup questions:
    1) if you could get on that flight via North Pole, would that provide you sufficient evidence that flat earth theory is wrong?
    2) would watching commercial flights on flight tracker go through North Pole be proof enough? Or would you argue that it is staged?


    northern polar flights at perfectly compatible with the flat earth model. 



    It's the supposed southern polar flights that I'm skeptical of.



    These southern hemisphere flights usually take the path expected on the flat earth map.




    The GPS is turned off during those flights, so I'd need to take a compass.



    Even if all this happened,  it doesn't prove curvature, it just proves the map is wrong. When you've measured the lack of curvature that must be there, you then can KNOW that water is flat, that's where the real argument is, and that's where the flat earth beats everytime. Do the experiment and see for yourself. 

    https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/nikon-coolpix-p900
    @Coveny
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    @agsr
    I'm going to do the rebuttals separately, some of these require more time and space.

    Ok, here we go. When I said I'd done two years of research, you didn't think I'd already run across these? Nearly every day was spent  (after a cup of Joe of course) looking for proof of a ball. You've probably picked up the help of a few globetards with cognitive dissonance that wave their hands at any proof thrown at them, and redirect me to their science books and calculators. They love words like "refraction" and "mirage" and their entire argument consist of but, but, muh maths! No disrespect, but please, for the love of God, don't be that guy.

    1. Globe earth proponents love the hundreds year old theoretical instances of so called proof. They cling to them like a story in the Bible. Errortosthanes was, quite frankly, an . He also thought the earth was a ball (circumnavigation) because he'd seen elephants in the east (Indian) and again in the west (African). His experiment relies solely on a false premise. The distance to the sun. A close small sun will produce the same exact results over a flat surface. It's the very same proof as time zones.


    We can prove that the sun is close and small by simply looking up on any cloudy day.


    So again, the false premise is " the sun is so far away that it's rays are parallel when they reach the Earth"
    If you think those rays are parallel, then you probably failed geometry.



    Coveny said:
    @Coveny Interesting because you were just trying to argue that the flat Earth model can't have time zones.
    No I was arguing that time zones aren't explained with the flat earth model.
    They are, stop cherry picking . 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    The earth isn't mathematically perfectly flat, but it isn't a ball.



    Ok now take that same concept of the planet not being "perfect", and it having hills and valleys and whatnots, and apply it to your heat distortion "proof" video. 



    That's the reason I keep saying you have one set of standards to prove flat and a completely different set to disprove round. You have no problem with something if you feel it disproves round, but if it proves round now you have an issues with the same concept.
    Erfisflat
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny If the biggest argument you can find against the flat Earth is a joke I made about your statement and to dismiss the arguments as absurd I think you should have directed your words at yourself. The first statement was after the second (which you cut out part of), You're basically just trying to say I know nothing, even tho I have actually taken the time to research flat Earth. Why am I even responding to you, this is just getting pathetic.
    Erfisflat
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:
    Erfisflat said:
    It's the supposed southern polar flights that I'm skeptical of.







    Even if all this happened,  it doesn't prove curvature, it just proves the map is wrong. When you've measured the lack of curvature that must be there, you then can KNOW that water is flat, that's where the real argument is, and that's where the flat earth beats everytime. Do the experiment and see for yourself. 

    https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/nikon-coolpix-p900
    @Coveny
    Supposed fights? There are flights from SYD to SCL that are 13 hours. 



    You can do your own search and find them. So now the map is wrong because you are wrong. Your one of those people who believes it's everyone's fault but yours. You are correct while everyone and everything else is wrong but you. To say your critical thinking is bad is an understatement.


    Erfisflat
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Coveny If the biggest argument you can find against the flat Earth is a joke I made about your statement and to dismiss the arguments as absurd I think you should have directed your words at yourself. The first statement was after the second, You're basically just trying to say I know nothing, even tho I have actually taken the time to research flat Earth. Why am I even responding to you, this is just getting pathetic.
    The biggest argument I have against flat earth is that we have pictures and people who have been in space who have seen it. After that I have several points that are impossible on the flat earth model. Pulling up last are all the holes in the flat earth design. (no edge, maps wrong, can't use anything we don't agree with, it's a global conspiracy, etc)
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Wow this site is lagging today...
    SilverishGoldNova
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Coveny Well, I can agree how laggy it is today yu y
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Coveny said:
    @Coveny If the biggest argument you can find against the flat Earth is a joke I made about your statement and to dismiss the arguments as absurd I think you should have directed your words at yourself. The first statement was after the second, You're basically just trying to say I know nothing, even tho I have actually taken the time to research flat Earth. Why am I even responding to you, this is just getting pathetic.
    The biggest argument I have against flat earth is that we have pictures and people who have been in space who have seen it. After that I have several points that are impossible on the flat earth model. Pulling up last are all the holes in the flat earth design. (no edge, maps wrong, can't use anything we don't agree with, it's a global conspiracy, etc)

    @Coveny


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Erfisflat

     

    1) Where’s the edge?

    1a - Who says there is one?

    1b - MAYBE it’s really big or infinite. (It’s “logical” to assume the extra land is being hidden)

    1c - Proof from 1954 interview.

    1d - Proof 1907 map.

     

    2) Where does the sun go if the earth is flat?

    2a – clockwise east to west – never rises or sets – perspective magic

    2b – It’s closer so it doesn’t illuminate the whole planet

     

    3) What’s underneath the flat earth?

    3a – OBVIOUSLY can’t be answered

    3b – Many religions support a flat earth

    3c – We don’t know

    3d – Focus on military base in the earth… research that!

     

    4) What about ships and boats disappearing over the horizon?

    4a - Perspective magic – just need a zoom lens (shows a bunch of boats with the bottoms below the level of the waves)

    4b – No curve at 120k feet

     

    5) What about all the pictures of the earth?

    5a – CLEARLY computer generated images

     

    6) Why are all the other planets round?

    6a – Clear they are all computer generated images as well

    6b – Actually planets are round lights

    6c – Logical to assume this is a flat plane and everything revolves around us

     

    Ok stopped there couldn’t take the bulls*** anymore. So lets have a look #1 is we don’t know, #2 is it not as bright as you think it is and fades away, #3 is we don’t know, #4 yes the bottom of the boats are gone, but  but but perspective magic, #5 no rebuttal just dismissed it, #6 dismissed again they are colorful and in some cases oddly shaped lights. But it’s “logical” to assume the people 100+ years ago understood the universe better, and we are the f****** center of it! (no ego has nothing to do with it… it’s logic!) it's got SO many holes, and is SO much based on 100s if not 1,000s of years ago. Wake up already you aren't impressing anyone with an speck of critical thinking.

    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaPowerPikachu21
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
     " #1 is we don'’t know"


    Civilians (the proles) aren't allowed near the boundaries of the ANTARCTIC CIRCLE due to the longest standing worldwide treaty that was signed back when they found the edge, or whatever it was. The secret is well hidden.


    “#2 is it not as bright as you think it is and fades away,”


    Strawman, or cherry picking? The sun has been explained several times with verifiable evidence and demonstrations, refraction (hundreds or thousands of miles of atmosphere) and perspective. You either are ignorant to it, or ignoring it.


    “#3 is we don’t know”


    Same as the edge. You should go to Antarctica and find out for us. “the edge” argument is also a strawman, it doesn't prove curvature, and an appeal to ignorance fallacy.




    “#4 yes the bottom of the boats are gone, but  but but perspective magic,”


    Everyone else saw the ship reappear when it was zoomed in from zero zoom. Everyone else saw the mirror line, and some heavy refraction in the videos. You've provided no evidence and even posted a few pictures proving my point. Your rebuttal to this so far has been:


    You're talking about some stuff I don't know a lot about (Refraction and perspective), so I'm just going to dismiss it and cherry pick your arguments until you repeat yourself until you get tired of me.


    “#5 no rebuttal just dismissed it,”


    I've explained several times that pictures aren't scientific evidence with today's technology. I could produce pictures of mermaids, Bigfoot and the lochness monster all day, is this evidence for their existence?


    “#6 dismissed again they are colorful and in some cases oddly shaped lights.”


    Have you any evidence for mars existence, as physical terra firma? Let me guess, pictures? From a government source? You don't say!


    The rest of your post is just irrelevant crybaby sh!t, more logical fails.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny not to mention you cut out part of the statement. Pictures from space have already been proved as fake, via NASA's own admission. No edge? Agreed, that's because no flat Earther today believes there is an edge you can fall off, except for shill organizations like TFES... Maps wrong? Yeah, no map is 100% accurate. You haven't debunked the flat Earth by claiming that a few distances are wrong on a Map
    Erfisflat
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Erfisflat

    #1 – The edge

    1a - Civilians aren’t allowed

     

    Except they are, and you are full of sh** as usual - http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

     

    #2 – Sun’s not bright

    2a – Fallacies, I’ve explained this, blah blah

     

    The video literally says “the sun is closer and not as bright as you think it is”. (because closer mean’s it dimmer or something) So no strawman or cherry picking this is your stance on why you cannot see the sun at all times. You’ve haven’t explained any evidence or demonstration. You just keep saying the magic of refraction and perception. Tell me again how the sun at 2,000 miles above the flat earth is going behind this mountain that’s only 2 miles high. The two don’t get “smaller” by perspective to where they merge. (they remain two separate objects) They aren’t distorted by reflection ether as both look clear. You have no “evidence” against this. You just throw words around and act like they prove something.

     

     

    #3 – Underneath

    Your model doesn’t know, and somehow me repeating that is an appeal to ignorance? So you say something, I repeat it, and somehow that becomes my fallacy? Wow you’re bad…

     

    #4 – Horizon

    No everyone did NOT see the ship WHOLE reappear when it zoomed in. Let me repost that picture that you never refuted to remind you. See how the bottom of the boat is gone?

     


     

    #5 – Pictures of earth

    5a - I could fake it, therefore it must be fake

     

    It’s also pretty telling that even though there are photo forensics, you feel like could “fool” everyone. Not to mention the whole argument from ignorance fallacy: The pictures are false because you haven’t proven them true. (even though many creditable and reputable sources around the global have)

     

    #6 – Planets

    6a – I haven’t been to mars, so mars doesn’t exist… mutter conspiracy

     

    Let me copy and paste. Argument from ignorance fallacy: The pictures are false because you haven’t proven them true. (even though many creditable and reputable sources around the global have)

     

    Your logic is as bad as your critical thinking…

    Erfisflat
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:



    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -   edited July 2017
    @Coveny "2015" It's not 2015 lol. Did you look up anti-flat Earth memes and that was the only thing you found?
    Erfisflat
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -   edited October 2017
    @Coveny not to mention you cut out part of the statement. Pictures from space have already been proved as fake, via NASA's own admission. No edge? Agreed, that's because no flat Earther today believes there is an edge you can fall off, except for shill organizations like TFES... Maps wrong? Yeah, no map is 100% accurate. You haven't debunked the flat Earth by claiming that a few distances are wrong on a Map
    No NASA did not say the pictures were fake. Strawman fallacy. NASA said they took real photos, put them together, and enhanced them

    The edge is infinite... but you can fly over it in 12 hours too, but hey they fly at mach 2 over antarctica. (because that's the only way a commercial plane could make YOUR distance in that time)

    No map is 100% accurate - nirvana fallacy. They will never be 100% but they are plenty good to prove you are full of sh**. 

    I have debunked flat earth so many ways and so many times, but you guys still just keep saying perspection/reflection magic, or I can't explain that don't talk about it or it's a fallacy!

    Take your anti-science, anti-intellectual bulls*** and keep it to yourself, or I will continue to eat Eisenhower's a ss because it tastes good
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    @Coveny "2015" It's not 2015 lol. Did you look up anti-flat Earth memes and that was the only thing you found?
    I should have gotten something from like BC. (there were even people back then that knew the earth was flat)

    I like this meme too:



    SilverishGoldNova
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    "They will never be 100% but they are plenty good to prove you are full of sh**" You mean 1 or 2 distances wrong on a map? Lol. So I guess an inaccurate globe map disproves the globe? Is that what you're saying

    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    "They will never be 100% but they are plenty good to prove you are full of sh**" You mean 1 or 2 distances wrong on a map? Lol. So I guess an inaccurate globe map disproves the globe? Is that what you're saying


    No I'm saying a "flaw" of a mile or two doesn't make commercial passenger planes go from 570 mph to 1534 mph. This means that your disproof of airplane routes because "maps are wrong" is . 
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Coveny said:
    @Coveny "2015" It's not 2015 lol. Did you look up anti-flat Earth memes and that was the only thing you found?
    I should have gotten something from like BC. (there were even people back then that knew the earth was flat)

    I like this meme too:




    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1675 Pts   -  
    Coveny said:
    @Coveny not to mention you cut out part of the statement. Pictures from space have already been proved as fake, via NASA's own admission. No edge? Agreed, that's because no flat Earther today believes there is an edge you can fall off, except for shill organizations like TFES... Maps wrong? Yeah, no map is 100% accurate. You haven't debunked the flat Earth by claiming that a few distances are wrong on a Map
    No NASA did not say the pictures were fake. Strawman fallacy. NASA said they took real photos, put them together, and enhanced them

    The edge is infinite... but you can fly over it in 12 hours too, but hey they fly at mach 2 over antarctica. (because that's the only way a commercial plane could make YOUR distance in that time)

    No map is 100% accurate - nirvana fallacy. They will never be 100% but they are plenty good to prove you are full of sh**. 

    I have debunked flat earth so many ways and so many times, but you guys still just keep saying perspection/reflection magic, or I can't explain that don't talk about it or it's a fallacy!

    Take your anti-science, anti-intellectual bulls*** and keep it to yourself, or I will continue to make you look like the fools you are.

    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Erfisflat said:



    And when I make you look like a fool with the facts you swap over to ad hominem/smack talk. (you aren't sure which it is as you don't know how they are defined)

    Trying to debunk it? ROFL It's been thoroughly debunked, all you got is:





    but but perspective... but but reflection... but but conspiracy theory ... but but muh bible!






    Yes.. yes they can.
  • CovenyCoveny 419 Pts   -  
    Ok look the live feed from the international space station...

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1201 Pts   -  
    @Coveny Wasn't talking about planes, but whatever. Thats a different subject.
    I am no longer active on DebateIsland or any debate website. Many things I have posted here and on other sites (Such as believing in the flat Earth theory or other conspiracy theories such as those that are about the Las Vegas Shooting or 9/11) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

    https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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