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Modern music is not topical any longer, and will disregard Neil Young's call.

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Neil Young has called on musicians to create music for children in detention centers. Most modern musicians think that social commentary, and politics are taboo, and they wouldn't even have the gusto to make topical music because of that. I'm not arguing against self stylized music, but only making self stylized music out of fear the consequential backlash is spineless. (Most) Modern music is useless on social and political issues. Perhaps that is indicative of a broader social uselessness, and spinelessness.  

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  • jesusisGod777jesusisGod777 115 Pts   -  
    Modern musicians have no interest other than effectively brainwash the public.

    Brainwashing is defined as , the process of pressuring someone into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic appraoches.

    Alpha waves are neural oscillations in the frequency range of 8–12 Hz[1] arising from the synchronous and coherent (in phase or constructive) electrical activity of thalamicpacemaker cells in humans. They are also called Berger's waves after the founder of EEG.

    Music has a  frequency range  of waves8-12 hz, that effectively cause your brain to sleep and forms synapses, a junction between two nerve cells, consisting of a minute gap across which impulses pass by diffusion of a neurotransmitter.

    Music is used to effectively change the way a person thinks by repetitive. Messages are most effective when repeated and considering the brain activity alteration when induced to frequency's of 8-12 hz musicians intend to control impulse activity in the brains hippocampus and lowest parts of the frontal lobe. The frontal lobes function controls cognition.

    Music intends to make you think a certain way. It's all part of the satanic worthless cult agenda that defines Hollywood that I reject.

    Jesus is Lord, it's why I listen to gospel.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    Music cannot make a person think a certain way. You are wrong. Please don't comment on this thread any longer. It is only intended for people with functioning brains. Thanx 
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1475 Pts   -   edited August 2019
    Modern music doesn't effect me one way or another. Much of it is what I call "rhythmic attitude". Thankfully, my hearing "ain't what it used to be". 
    I was watching America's Got Talent the other night, and, as usual, the "background music" was in the foreground and so loud you couldn't hear the contestant's voice OR instrument. That's the way with about ALL modern "music". I disagree that music can't make a person think a certain way. We used to have a variety of different TYPES of music … "Old time rock and roll", big band, classical, country, "pop", ballads, gospel, etc.. and you could hear every word. We still have classical, but nobody on the media plays it any more (except "special" stations), country isn't much different than today's pop, a lot of gospel used to mix with popular music, which today is "hi-speed" music to a rapid beat. I haven't heard a "relaxing" song for years and everyone seems to LIVE at todays "hi speed music" rate. Up tight and angry. Rhythmic attitude. A lot of "ooh, ooh, oohs and ah, ah, ahs. I enjoy a lot of different music, I just like to hear the words, hear the VOICE of the "singer". I don't even know if any of them can "sing" today … without instruments to drown them out. 
    High speed, rhythmic attitude, as is obvious, is how the majority live today. It looks to ME that "music(?)" CAN make people think (and live) a "certain way". 
  • jesusisGod777jesusisGod777 115 Pts   -  

    Music changes perception, research shows

    April 27, 2011
    University of Groningen
    Music is not only able to affect your mood -- listening to particularly happy or sad music can even change the way we perceive the world, according to new research.

    So you can STFU.

    Jesus is Lord.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    I won't shut up, and I asked you not to post here, this thread is intended for people with functioning brains. That leaves you out. Changing someone's mood doesn't make people think differently, and it certainly doesn't brainwash them. The paint thinner you sniff does effect your brains which causes you to make statments. YOUR NOT WELCOME HERE!!! When you get a functioning brain, maybe then you'll be welcome here.     
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    Most modern music isn't aggressive anymore. That went out in the last decade. There still is a variety of styles today, but someone who's used to classic, or classical styles may have trouble deciphering the different styles there are. This discussion is more about the content rather than the style of modern music. I guess if you can't actually hear the lyrics, that could be a huge barrier to understanding the message. Most modern music shys away from social commentary or political issues. Any political or social messages are made to be purposefully vague so it's difficult or impossible to understand the true message. Neil Young doesn't let himself be constrained by social standards and his music has become very topical in the past 20 years. I don't believe any modern musicians will be willing to make the types of songs Neil Young is asking them to make. I'm hoping I'll be proven wrong.         
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1475 Pts   -  
    @jesusisGod777 ; I wonder …. shouldn't your name be "Jesus is God 666"?? Nasty! 
    Are you so wound up in rap music that you can't be civil? (I'm not saying ALL rap isn't civil ... I CAN'T! I can't listen as fast as they talk, but, often what I DO hear makes my happy that I can't B)!  Ask yourself, Do you like only ONE kind of music? I like MANY kinds. I'm apparently more "relaxed" than you are, which kind'a makes my point. Rhythmic attitude seems to have affected YOUR mindset. You could use some "soothing" sounds I would say. You sound like a Trump voter …. forgive me for bringing politics into "todays music", but, I DO think the beat of today effects the attitudes OF today, and that makes (some) people like people WITH attitude. Chill. >:)
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2836 Pts   -   edited August 2019

    What do you mean by "self stylized music"? 
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    When I say self stylized, I mean music that is made to express personal feelings, or dilemmas that only relate to the songwriters themselves and no one else. There may be some social commentary, or political views in those songs, but they're usually obscured so nobody can react to the message. Social critiques, and political issues are usually expressions that the songwriter believes relates to all of society. Although it's obvious when a songwriter makes a political or social statement, it's something they believe relates to all of us, but that's only their own opinion. But when a songwriter purposely makes songs without any care about whether it relates to anyone but themselves, I'd call it self stylized music. I'm open for suggestions on what else it could be called, because in all honesty, it's a self stylized term, and I'm not sure of its use in popular media.           
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    I did read the article. It said nothing about music being able to brainwash anybody. That's your summary which is obviously effected by your paint thinner addiction, not because you understand the article. I never claimed to be a genius, or even remotely smart. But if there's ANYBODY who shouldn't be considered a genius, it's you, because you were obviously adversely affected by being breast while you were still in kindergarten. That's just messed up. I know that because this site is inclusive, they also need to accept people who sniff paint thinner, but that inclusiveness doesn't change who you are! 
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -   edited August 2019

    I think you may have it backward. I think the attitudes of today is what's effecting the beat, not the other way around. Although I can't say I'm ecstatic about the lack of content in modern music, there a lot of modern bands that I love because of the funky freshness of their oh so crisp beats. They be spittin' science up on the turntables now. Word is born! 
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2836 Pts   -  

    Ok, I see thx for the clarification! 

    Now, there are politically charged songs out there, but I'll agree with you that it's certainly not "mainstream", at least not in the American audioscape maybe because the "pop culture" in general is shallow and omnipresent... It's a lot more present in french singers for example, the french music scene is ripe with social and political commentaries, but I think it's a cultural thing... 
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    I can't say I'm familiar with the French scene. I do like daft punk and air, but they've been around for 30 years now. They're not very modern. I think I'd be squeamish to hear any political music out of France right now. It's probably pro-yellow jacket stuff, which is very much not the type of political message we're used to hearing a in France.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  
  • bish32hoepbish32hoep 12 Pts   -  
    eat me up
  • BonitaVanhooserBonitaVanhooser 129 Pts   -   edited April 10
    I agree. Neil Young is right that recent singers are only here for their own marketing, style and fashion. I think we need singers like Neil Young. His songs like Ohio, Rockin' in the free world and Vampire Blues are still considered the best as political songs. A massive number of fans of recent singers were waiting that they will come with some motivational and political stuff after the coronavirus pandemic, but we don't see a lot.

    Similarly, the modern music industry is also not interested in making songs about social topics. I think indie singers and newbies should consider filling this area. Yes, with the use of the latest musical equipment and accessories, it should become easy to get famous on social media. A few days ago, I found this site which was full of classic musical instruments, accessories and gears. In the same token, I also found Happy New Guitar Day an excellent option to learn more and more about guitars and their accessories. Even I recently made a purchase of an amp after reading this comparison between Princeton vs Deluxe Reverb because I was confused between these two. I also learned many things about guitars, strings and accessories from this site in lockdown days. By the way, the use of pianos in your political music can also be very effective. In this regard, I would also share this piano site which helps pianists and newbies to improve their playing skills. It doesn't only talk about conventional pianos but also offer digital piano reviews. Yes, it could be more interesting for youngsters. I think youngsters can use it and make one of the best political and social music. But again, they will also have to work on lyrics. Meaningless and untouched lyrics wouldn't work. 

    By the way, Neil is coming with his new album "Homegrown". Hopefully, it will cover some social topics like a relationship. I was just reading its news from here. Maybe it is coming in June. 
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    Very cool links. Thanx for that.. I like Sweetwater for gear also, but you can actually find some stuff on Amazon for cheaper. It's nice to have another option for gear to find the best deals. I recently purchased a Korg monologue from Amazon because they were cheaper. I actually do enjoy a lot of modern music like IDM and EDM and indie stuff, but they do tend to be kind of hands off when it comes to social issues.

    During the second Iraq war, Neil Young said he woke up one day and realized nobody was doing any anti-war music. So he took it upon himself to do what he thought was his artistic duty and began making the his living with war album. I like that sense of artistic duty he always has had.   
  • BonitaVanhooserBonitaVanhooser 129 Pts   -  

    I just visited Sweetwater and interestingly, they also have used the gear tab. Have you ever tried them? I think it is better to purchase high-quality preowned products as compared to cheap ones.
    During the second Iraq war, Neil Young said he woke up one day and realized nobody was doing any anti-war music. So he took it upon himself to do what he thought was his artistic duty and began making the his living with war album. I like that sense of artistic duty he always has had.   
    That's great. He surely paid his duty by his album 'Living with War' but nowadays, artists prefer to obey the opinions of their establishments and governments. 
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -   edited May 2020

    The piano player in my band has used Sweetwater several times, and he was very happy with them. But he also has used Amazon and it also worked well for him. I have another friend who will not purchase any gear through anybody but Sweetwater. It seems they have a good track record with the people I know. I haven't used them myself, but I do look at their page before I purchase anything, just to see if they have any used stuff that looks good. I've also heard they're pretty good with warranties. Amazon also has used gear. I don't live to far from a guitar center, so I can actually go down and see the used gear. Nothing beats in person demonstrations.

    Every generation reflects the values of that generation. Millennial music is no different. However different it may be, I still find it very interesting. It beats 90s rock in my eyes. I think the only thing that came out of the 90s that was worth listening to was gangsta rap. I think tame impala and MGMT make music that rivals the best stuff that came out of the 60s 70s and 80s. Foxygen is super great also. I'd listen to those bands over pearl jam or NIN any day. Tame impala made a song called elephant, and it's got a cool 70s style rock riff, but it's also an obvious observation of republicans. It has a political edge, and it's psychedelic, but with a David Bowie like chug. Or maybe a t-rex meets the blue oyster cult feel to it. Very interesting          
  • AmericanFurryBoyAmericanFurryBoy 527 Pts   -  
    I think that there are at least some main stream musicians(Kendrick Lamar namely) who use their life story as either a Segway to or a metaphor for the discussion of social and political issues. For example, a lot of Kendricks music is about his childhood living in a poor black neighborhood with a lot of gang violence which highlights the social issue of poor black neighborhoods and their high crime and gang violence rates.
    Not every quote you read on the internet is true- Abraham Lincoln
  • piloteerpiloteer 1442 Pts   -  

    I can't say I have listened to Kendrick Lamar, but I will certainly give it a listen. I meant in general when it comes to modern music. You are correct though, there are some modern artists who do express social and political issues.  
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