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Why does it go dark at night?
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I believe it is because the Earth is a revolving sphere.
And the Sun is a light emitting star, approximately 150.000km distant from the Earth.
As the Earth revolves, the area facing away from the Sun goes dark.
natbarons1Hacker0ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaPogue
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  • Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaPogue
  • The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • natbarons said:
    Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.

    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 
    SkepticalOne
  • Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
  • 1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 
    The scaling is way off here, for one, you're ignoring atmospheric conditions.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • And the obvious fact that the earth isn't a concrete road.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • 1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 

    Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1644 Pts
    edited August 2017
    1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 

    Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.
    Similar to a pressurised ball in an infinite vacuum? Most opposing pressure systems (like light bulbs) require a physical barrier to coexist.


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer

  • Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Erfisflat
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • I'm delighted to talk about it. It's only when people get dismissive, ridicule and ignore evidence that I get irritated. This is signs of bias and programming.
    SilverishGoldNova1Hacker0
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • An unwillingness to unlearn and relearn, and let go of the ball shows ignorance and cognitive dissonance. 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:


    Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

    Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.
    Erfisflat
  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1644 Pts
    edited August 2017
    Erfisflat said:


    Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

    Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.
    Not as simple as a light source being far enough away to not cast light on something. It's still a positive pressure system adjacent, no, enveloped in a negative pressure system, perfect vacuum or not, which has never been demonstrated or reproduced on any scale.



    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
    You only think it's vast, or space, mainly because your science book told you so. It's really a dome with lights in it.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=Proof+of+firmament
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • edited August 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 
    Retired DebateIslander. I no longer come here actively, and many of the things that I may have posted in the past (Such as belief in the flat Earth theory) do not reflect on my current views. 

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit

  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Erfisflat
  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?

    Sarcasm and insult. Make for a very weak argument.
    When debating try and offer a rational and logical response.
    All your flat Earth arguments are falling short in logic and rationale.
    PowerPikachu21BaconToesPogue
  • @Fredsnephew
    I was addressing the argument:

    "As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

    It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light. 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    @Fredsnephew
    I was addressing the argument:

    "As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

    It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light. 

    Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
    But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night.
    Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions.

    Perhaps you could elaborate on this theory, so that I can get a clearer understanding of what you are trying to say.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1644 Pts
    edited August 2017
    @Fredsnephew

    "Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
    But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night."

    I fail to understand why you are making this statement. If you took a 75 watt light bulb to a football field you wouldnt be able to light up the whole field. This is not exactly to scale of corse, but you get the idea. Add to that hundreds or thousands (depending on the altitude of the sun) of miles of atmosphere (clpuds, dust, smog, water, heat, fog, etc.), and you have a means of blocking light. This is one of the reasons we can't see clear across the Atlantic Ocean. 


    The mountains in the distance are not hidden by curvature, they are just hidden by an accumulation of particles of matter in the air. This indubitably causes it to go dark at night.

    On a similar matter, if you're talking about sunsets, that is a combination of refraction and perspective, I can explain that again if I need to, but both subjects have been covered extensively. They were likely covered in the first few pages, but if you can't find them, I'll go over them again.

    "Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions "


    This is due to a different circuit of the circuit around the pole. In our summer, the sun is closer to the center, causing the arctic midnight sun, where the sun doesn't go down in the northern polar region. It's included in the Gleason' s map. 

     



    The evidence for this is the sun analemma.


    Which contradicts the globe model, but fits perfectly in FET.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat Your map does not match a globe. If you would go to a place in the southern hemisphere and measured the length if it did not match your model your model would be disprove. Unless you are so confident you don't feel the need to. Of course I would have to do the same and I am planing to when I get older then 18.
  • Erfisflat said:
    Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?
    Hmmmm, so stars can be seen at night thru the atmosphere, but the sun can't.  Those are some pretty anomalous atmospheric conditions.
  • Erfisflat said:



  • It is never dark here on Earth. The sun and stars give us light. When it is night, the moon reflects the light of the sun and the stars also give us a bit of light. 
    i fart cows
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1644 Pts
    edited December 2017
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
      Nice sunrise, stupid commentary.  Of course the sun won't light up the entire horizon as the earth rotates into view of it; the sun is round.  If the earth was flat, the sun wouldn't set at all.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1644 Pts
    edited December 2017
    You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
    @CYDdharta
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1207 Pts
    edited December 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
    @CYDdharta
    No, it really doesn't.  it just says "refraction", but that doesn't explain how the sun can drop below the horizon of a flat earth using the model that's been reposted so many by flat-earthers here;


    Then again, we can see the moon during the daytime, so we know this model isn't accurate.  Find a model that is actually accurate, and we'll discuss it.   

  • CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    You didn't finish the video obviously. It DEMONSTRATED how the sun can go down on a flat earth.
    @CYDdharta
    No, it really doesn't.  it just says "refraction", but that doesn't explain how the sun can drop below the horizon of a flat earth using the model that's been reposted so many by flat-earthers here;


    Then again, we can see the moon during the daytime, so we know this model isn't accurate.  Find a model that is actually accurate, and we'll discuss it.   

    Wait, you sure you watched the video? It doesn't just say refraction. Try again.  

     And seeing the moon during the day works in the flat earth model too. Maybe you don't fully understand the model.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • At 8:34 in the video, we can see with practical experimentation how the sun can go down over the horizon on a flat earth. @CYDdharta seems to have turned a blind eye, but those of us who haven't strapped on our blinders can see. Mainstream science claims the same effect happens on a ball earth, but they claim it causes the sun to appear higher in the sky, which is pseudoscientific unless they can support the claim with practical experimentation. 

    http://www.hko.gov.hk/m/article_e.htm?title=ele_00493

    This proves that a ball earth isn't necessary for the sun to "go down" at night.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    At 8:34 in the video, we can see with practical experimentation how the sun can go down over the horizon on a flat earth. @CYDdharta seems to have turned a blind eye, but those of us who haven't strapped on our blinders can see. Mainstream science claims the same effect happens on a ball earth, but they claim it causes the sun to appear higher in the sky, which is pseudoscientific unless they can support the claim with practical experimentation. 

    http://www.hko.gov.hk/m/article_e.htm?title=ele_00493

    This proves that a ball earth isn't necessary for the sun to "go down" at night.
    Explain the experiment.  Is that a clear pitcher filled with water or some other fluid?
  • You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.
    Like I said, find an accurate model and get back to me.
  • Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Erfisflat said:
    Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.
    I take it, there is no accurate flat-earth model.  noted.
  • CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    Another dodger. My model is far more accurate than yours.
    I take it, there is no accurate flat-earth model.  noted.
    I take it you have conceded the OP, AND you can't explain why my model is inaccurate, yet I demonstrate how yours is innacurate. Just an appeal to the stone fallacy, huh? Sounds like someone's mad the earth isn't a ball.

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1207 Pts
    edited December 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    I take it you have conceded the OP, AND you can't explain why my model is inaccurate, yet I demonstrate how yours is innacurate. Just an appeal to the stone fallacy, huh? Sounds like someone's mad the earth isn't a ball.

    I've already told you why your model is inaccurate, in fact you even conceded the point.

    Erfisflat said:
    You can OCCASIONALLY see the moon in the day because the moon is slower in its circuit than the sun. That gif is not meant to be perfectly accurate. It's a gif.

  • Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1207 Pts
    edited December 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?
    So you still haven't found an accurate working flat-earth model.  The fact that none exists would explain that quite well.
  • CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    Me saying that a gif doesn't accurately represent my model is a concession of only that. I explained why we see the moon during the day. Are you daft?
    So you still haven't found an accurate working flat-earth model.  The fact that none exists would explain that quite well.
    So you still haven't explained any flaw in it. Keep digging. You've conceded everything else.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
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