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Antarctica, the outer boundaries of the place we live is off limits pretty much to the public. The antarctic treaty and all.. Sure, there are pictures that come up on a Google image search, but I think you know my position on unverifiable imagery...
http://bfy.tw/BO2x
We've only dug about 8 miles deep. So I can't speculate how "thick" the earth is either, sorry.
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And of course walking down the other side of the mountain.
If you cannot see beyond the end of your nose, then the Earth will always appear to be flat.
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They don't, you can't see the curvature from a mountain, nor a plane. There isn't any.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route
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With the curvature calculator found here: https://dizzib.github.io/ you can see that an observer at 1000 feet looking at an item 163 miles away would find that object 10,631 feet below the horizon. This would place the peak of Canigou well over 1000 feet below the horizon however not only it, but other peaks near it are clearly seen. In the videos below you will see several, sometimes 6 or 7 noticeable and very clear distinct mountain peaks. Even peaks 4000 feet high can be seen and this peak should be over a mile below the horizon.
http://canigou.allauch.free.fr/index.html
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My evidence is logical and scientifically sound. I've yet to see the same verifiable evidence for a globe earth. So far there's zero. Whether it's 30 miles,
60 miles
Or more
The math is not wrong. It's not speculation to state facts. Water is Flat. No curvature has been found. Anywhere.
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Have any "flat earthers" seen the other side?
How thick is the flat earth?
What keeps water from spilling over the edges?
If you fly to the edge of the flat earth and keep going, What happens then?
Are all celestial bodies flat?
If so, why do we always see the flat side and not the edge?
Presumably if we viewed the edge, celestial bodies would appear as an elongated cuboid.
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1) if you could get on that flight via North Pole, would that provide you sufficient evidence that flat earth theory is wrong?
2) would watching commercial flights on flight tracker go through North Pole be proof enough? Or would you argue that it is staged?
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It's the supposed southern polar flights that I'm skeptical of.
These southern hemisphere flights usually take the path expected on the flat earth map.
The GPS is turned off during those flights, so I'd need to take a compass.
Even if all this happened, it doesn't prove curvature, it just proves the map is wrong. When you've measured the lack of curvature that must be there, you then can KNOW that water is flat, that's where the real argument is, and that's where the flat earth beats everytime. Do the experiment and see for yourself.
https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/nikon-coolpix-p900
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https://www.sonicscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/edge1_two.jpg
In all seriousness, there may not be an edge. The outskirts of Antarctica is as far as any citizen is allowed to freely explore. Nobody can. It may be an infinite plane as suggested by this Buddhist map from 1,000 A.D.
Celestial bodies at just points of light in the sky. NASA gives us CGI to make us think they are terra firma, but everyone should know how I feel about that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Source?
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While this would indeed suggest a spherical earth, I turns out to be another red herring. First, this quote for Samuel Rowbotham:
" that an eclipse of the moon arises from a shadow of the earth, is a statement in every respect, because unproved, unsatisfactory. The earth has been proved to be without orbital or axial motion; and, therefore, it could never come between the sun and the moon. The earth is also proved to be a plane, always underneath the sun and moon; and, therefore, to speak of its intercepting the light of the sun, and thus casting its own shadow on the moon, is to say that which is physically impossible.
Besides the above difficulties or incompatibilities, many cases are on record of the sun and moon being eclipsed when both were above the horizon. The sun, the earth, and the moon, not in a straight line, but the earth below the sun and moon--out of the reach or direction of both--and yet a lunar eclipse has occurred! Is it possible that a "shadow" of the earth could be thrown upon the moon, when sun, earth, and moon, were not in the same line? "
One such occurrence of this phenomenon, since labelled a selenelion was recorded, and can be reviewed here:
This completely refutes this "evidence" for a spherical earth, if you have some common sense and knowledge of basic geometry.
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Flat earth: I lost count, how many?
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Bottom line is that if we can argue that there is a mass conspiracy theory that staged space exploration then no one can prove that earth is not flat.
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Thanks for the kind words, could you please elaborate on the last statement you made?
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again, I really enjoy this topic as it certainly challenged my thinking and taught me to question what we take for granted. I am still very much of believe that earth is round, but your arguments are excellent.
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I'm glad to hear that, I hope you'll keep your mind open about this and any other ideas you may have dismissed before. Keep in mind that I am I no way trying to tell you what to think, that was what the public indoctrination system is for, I'm only here to show people how to think, encourage more of it, and urge people to not just accept what you're told, research all opposition and make an unbiased, informed decision.
There are a few things that would prove to me the earth was a ball.
1. Let us see it ourselves!
If Buzz and company actually went to the Moon almost 50 years ago, there should be no problem getting a few regular citizens, ( ones that haven't swore an oath to Big Brother) at least to the ISS. with the technological advancements over the last 50 years hell we should have McDonald's on the Moon by now.
2. Put a live Cam on the moon!
NASA steals over 50 million dollars a day. A decent live Cam on the moon (it shouldn't be hard, the same side faces us the whole time) available to all taxpayers. You know, one good enough to pick up a magnesium flare.
3. A 360 degree camera pan
This is pretty self explanatory for anyone with knowledge about movies, TV and 4th wall mechanics.
4. Air lock bay footage
One of the most exciting moments in those space movies is when they open the airlock hatch. NASA has never given us footage of somebody suiting up, going into the airlock hatch, depressurizing and opening the door to space.
I'm sure I could think of more, but the wife is bugging out, tomorrow is trash day.
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Gyroscopes
Many of us science geeks know these toys from the gift shop or as a simple top. Little did we know we had proof of the biggest lie ever told right in our hands. Gyroscope is defined as:
a device consisting of a wheel or disk mounted so that it can spin rapidly about an axis that is itself free to alter in direction. The orientation of the axis is not affected by tilting of the mounting; so gyroscopes can be used to provide stability or maintain a reference direction in navigation systems, automatic pilots, and stabilizers.
From Wikipedia:
A gyroscope is a spinning wheel mounted on a set of gimbals so that its axis is free to orient itself in any way.[2] When it is spun up to speed with its axis pointing in some direction, due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, such a wheel will normally maintain its original orientation to a fixed point in outer space (not to a fixed point on Earth). Since our planet rotates, it appears to a stationary observer on Earth that a gyroscope's axis is completing a full rotation once every 24 hours.
Seems like a reasonable way to test for any axial rotation, but it was never demonstrated. In actuality, it was tested, and it doesn't move at all, ever.
"NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant ball tilted back, wobbling and spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous (1,300,000 )mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of (1,868,000) mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously, yet no one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven a single one of these motions to exist whatsoever."- Eric Dubay
Would a gyroscope even be still for a minute?
Not only that, but planes are mounted with gyroscopes, in a casing called an attitude indicator. Letting the pilot know which way is up, the gyroscope remains in a fixed position from it's starting point. If a pilot is traveling over a ball, not over a flat plane as our senses tell us, the attitude indicator would be useless over long distances.
Some higher end phones are equipped with a gyroscope, if yours isn't, get one of these, set it on your nightstand tonight, and wake up in the morning to be sure your senses aren't deceiving you, your phone, and the earth, hasn't moved an inch, and we can conclude that gyroscopes are evidence of a flat, stationary earth.
https://www.quadratec.com/products/94050_00.htm?gclid=CM-EspC-rdQCFQsQgQodPMkBJQ
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What planet is this?
This is the old one:
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Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the void
and hangs the earth on nothing."
Isiah 40:22 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;"
Though you may argue these verses could be poetic too, it goes to show that the Bible doesn't support just one.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Just re-create the experiment that [Eratosthenes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) used to measure the circumference of the Earth more than 2000 years ago. Here is a simple one you can do at home.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/5oempt/what_could_i_do_to_personally_prove_the_earth_is/?st=J3PN1XP2&sh=5df484e7
Another approach:
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I'm going to do the rebuttals separately, some of these require more time and space.
Ok, here we go. When I said I'd done two years of research, you didn't think I'd already run across these? Nearly every day was spent (after a cup of Joe of course) looking for proof of a ball. You've probably picked up the help of a few globetards with cognitive dissonance that wave their hands at any proof thrown at them, and redirect me to their science books and calculators. They love words like "refraction" and "mirage" and their entire argument consist of but, but, muh maths! No disrespect, but please, for the love of God, don't be that guy.
1. Globe earth proponents love the hundreds year old theoretical instances of so called proof. They cling to them like a story in the Bible. Errortosthanes was, quite frankly, an . He also thought the earth was a ball (circumnavigation) because he'd seen elephants in the east (Indian) and again in the west (African). His experiment relies solely on a false premise. The distance to the sun. A close small sun will produce the same exact results over a flat surface. It's the very same proof as time zones.
We can prove that the sun is close and small by simply looking up on any cloudy day.
So again, the false premise is " the sun is so far away that it's rays are parallel when they reach the Earth"
If you think those rays are parallel, then you probably failed geometry.
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2. Once more, pictures from government organizations prove absolutely nothing to me, except when they are examined, that they are not to be trusted.
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3. More images
I think I've covered this extensively. Take that first image you provided and flip it upside down. Here, I'll just show you.
This, "coincidentally " lines up with another subliminal message:
Does this not call into question every image they've produced? NASA makes over $50,000,000 a day. That's a big budget Hollywood movie everyday. People may think that images on a computer are proof of something, I'm not fooled. I'm calling
Epic indeed.
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Regarding the rays of the sun in that picture, this explains it well
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/154951/why-do-sunbeams-diverge-even-though-the-sun-is-much-more-than-a-few-kilometers-a
Basically they appear converging because we can see them so far out.
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Regarding " the sun is so far away that it's rays are parallel when they reach the Earth"
I don't think that the idea is that rays have become parallel after traveling a large distance, but that the rays falling over comparitivelly large distances, say a mile, on earth must have very little divergence even when they start from the surface of the sun. Because even after traveling so far a distance, they have only diverged a mile...So they should be nearly parellel to begin with...
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Whereas the crepuscular rays are not.
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4. Lunar eclipses have been covered.
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5. Errortosthanes has been covered.
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6. Stars are close, like the sun. I've covered this. They follow the laws of perspective like everything else, and converge at the horizon.
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7. I've discussed the theory of gravity.
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8. I've covered circumnavigation.
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9.Focaults pendulum
which is just a swinging ball on a cable that somehow convinced a bunch of people that the earth moves under it instead of the the obvious that the ball moves over the earth. What of the Allias effect, where the pendulum sometimes goes the opposite way or speeds up, is the earth changing directions or speed during an eclipse? If the earth actually rotated under a swinging ball as pseudoscience claims, there should be no good reason that i can't get in a hot air balloon, rise up a few hundred feet and wait for Paris to come to me for my vacation this year.
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10. Seasons
I believe ive covered this before but I can't seem to find it now. The sun is on a tighter circuit around the pole in our summer, and moves to a larger circuit during our winter.
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About the sun, I'm I'm entirely sure what you're trying to say, the distances and measurements of the rays are largely irrelevant. The angles are the point of the debate or the disagreement, your claim is an incoherent strawman, and I'm not sure what Air pressure and weight have to do with my point either. Please ellaborate, or maybe you shouldn't, what's the highest grade you completed?
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Angles? Ok how did you measure the angle between two rays of sunlight coming through the cloud?
>I'm not sure what Air pressure and weight have to do with my point either.
Not air pressure. Air density. Why wont you properly read what I have written and think about it for a while before hurling insults back ...?
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We know these are receding parallel lines going away from us.
As do these.
There is nothing parallel or receding about these lines.
I apologize if I insulted you by asking about your education. I'd like to know who I'm talking to. I still have no clue what Air density has to do with planes, out of necessity, traveling nose down.
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