Should a majority religion force the entire country to follow their rules?

Happy_Killbot

@TKDB Now wait a second, if I;m just putting the debate back on you then what were you trying to say anyways?

If you had a good rational argument, then wouldn't it be strong enough I would have something to say?

What's going on here anyways?

Don't you think that religion is not universal to all police officers?

Did you ask every single one of them if they were religious, and if not then what is your point about police officers?

If even just one of them is not religious, wouldn't that mean you don't have a point?

TKDB

@Happy_Killbot

What is stopping you from going to your local Police Station, or State Police Station, and ask them to their very faces, if any of then have been REAL WORLD brainwashed by any Religion in general?

The above is a rational debate response.

And you can go to any Law Enforcement agency in your neighborhood, and the questions, that you've posed to me here, can be answered by your local Law Enforcement personnel couldn't they?

(So again, 
900,000 Police Officers being brainwashed by Religion? 

Again, In your opinion, do you maybe think that the Police Departments across the country, have somehow been brainwashed by Religion in general?

You're an individual arguing against Religion, so please, can you provide an answer to that question?)

"@TKDB Now wait a second, if I'm just putting the debate back on you then what were you trying to say anyways?"

"If you had a good rational argument, then wouldn't it be strong enough I would have something to say?"

"What's going on here anyways?"


"Don't you think that religion is not universal to all police officers?"

"Did you ask every single one of them if they were religious, and if not then what is your point about police officers?"

"If even just one of them is not religious, wouldn't that mean you don't have a point?"

@Happy_Killbot I've repressed my same unanswered questions to you, three times now.

Happy_Killbot

@TKDB What if there have been police responses to religious abuse?

Have you looked through all the news to try and find any?

Have you done an internet search, maybe for "religious abuse arrests"? In preparation for this debate?

TKDB

@Happy_Killbot

What is stopping you from going to your local Police Station, or State Police Station, and ask them to their very faces, if any of then have been REAL WORLD brainwashed by any Religion in general?

The above is a rational debate response.

And you can go to any Law Enforcement agency in your neighborhood, and the questions, that you've posed to me here, can be answered by your local Law Enforcement personnel couldn't they?

(So again, 
900,000 Police Officers being brainwashed by Religion? 

Again, In your opinion, do you maybe think that the Police Departments across the country, have somehow been brainwashed by Religion in general?

You're an individual arguing against Religion, so please, can you provide an answer to that question?) 

TKDB

@Happy_Killbot

I googled the words from your own mind, to filter it through the Google search engine:

These are the results you were asking for right?

"No results found for "What if there have been police responses to religious abuse?".

Results for What if there have been police responses to religious abuse? (without quotes):"

"What if there have been police responses to religious abuse?"

"Have you looked through all the news to try and find any?"

"Have you done an internet search, maybe for "religious abuse arrests?"

"In preparation for this debate?"

@Happy_Killbot

And this response, based on more of the words from your own mind again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_leaders_convicted_of_crimes

"List of religious leaders convicted of crimes"

"This is a list of religious leaders who have been convicted of serious crimes before, during or after their period as a religious leader.

Violent crimes

Non-violent crimes"

"See also

References"

So there appears to be, No REAL WORLD evidence, to support the merit of your individual questions.

Happy_Killbot

@TKDB And of all the things on the internet, that could be read from that search, none of them had to do with religious abuse arrests?

TKDB

@Happy_Killbot

What's stopping YOU, from Googling the same questions that you presented to me, and you'll likely get the same if not similar responses? 

"@TKDB And of all the things on the internet, that could be read from that search,"

("none of them had to do with religious abuse arrests?")

And I'm sure that you can Google the additional question, and find out for yourself what the answer is?

ZeusAres42

You may be surprised to know that while most secularists are atheists, some secularists are actually believers in a faith. While they believe, they don't think that belief is a reason for special treatment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/secularism.shtml

It seems oftentimes that Secularism is conflated with Atheism. Just because a lot of Secularists are also Atheists does not equate to Seculuarism meaning the same thing as Atheism.

ZeusAres42

MayCaesar said:

When you ask a question like "Should X force Y to do Z?", then the answer is always "No", regardless of what X, Y and Z are. Now, if someone has forced someone to do something, then a proper forceful response may be warranted - but by default, no, everyone should be left to their own devices.

@MayCaesar I agree with most of this except with the last part. If everyone is left to their own devices then terrorism would be far worse than what it is at the moment as all the terrorists across the world would be left to their own devices.

But I guess you mean everyone within reason anyway.

MayCaesar

piloteer said:

Who was it Pinochet and Lee Kuan Yew were trying to make accept capitalist policies? Just because Karl Marx believed it is society that drives social history it doesn't mean it's automatically a fallacy. No matter how charismatic a leader is, if the people blindly go along with that leaders decisions, it was the masses themselves who decided to do that. That one leader obviously cannot physically force every member of society to capitulate to their mandates, and even if that leader could do so, it would be the will of the people to not resist. Non-action is also a manner in which the will of the masses is applied, and it happens to be just as concomitant  as robust involvement in social policy and individual determination.     

The masses did not want those capitalist policies and resisted them, and Pinochet and Lee Kuan Yew had to issue very strict laws and unapologetically enforce them to eventually get people on board. It was not the masses who decided to do that. You could say that the masses decided not to resist too much, and that can be true - but that is a very different thing, and without Pinochet and Lee Kuan Yew, or someone of a similar mindset, chances are those places would to this day be socialist impoverished wastelands.

You do not seem to appreciate the complexity of social dynamics driving large groups of people. There is much more going on than just some "will of the people" existing and guiding them. Each individual makes decisions in their lives based on a large array of incentives, and external events, often triggered by one or a few individuals, can send ripples through the society affecting the behavior of large numbers of individuals. There are countless examples in human history of lone individuals who became symbols due to their active action and inspired millions otherwise passive people to rise up and change the world, for the better or worse. One individual can make a difference in the world, often in the direction billions of people did not expect and did not want.

GnosticChristian

smoothie said:

I believe in a secular government when it comes to religion. I don't think it is fair that everyone should be forced to follow rules of one religion when it is first and foremost, a belief.

People should be allowed to follow any religion they want, but I think logic, facts, and evidence from the real world make more reasonable and fair laws.

For example, murder being illegal, should be viewed as punishment for the unlawful killing of a citizen, and not because god said it was wrong. Is this fair?

Statism is now being seen as a religion and in that sense, we have already given dominion over us to our governments. This aside.

Since the secular have better laws and rules than religions of the more theistic type, it is in the best interest of all religious to turn for guidance to the more secular and more moral governments.

As to following any religion. 
No.
Branch Dividians and other suicide cults come to mind that should have never been allowed to start up.

As to the death penalty. Too many false positives for one, and a country cannot be seen as venerating life while taking it.

Regards
DL

GnosticChristian

YeshuaBought said:

RickeyD said:

@YeshuaBought ; Atheism worships Nature as god and Atheism is a lie as it is a demonic religion..

Compare Yahweh and Satan and tell us which charafcter would be more satanic.
 Yahweh or Satan.



Tell us as well, why you idol worship a genocidal god.

Regards
DL

GnosticChristian

YeshuaBought said:

GnosticChristian said:

@AlofRI ;

Variety is the spice of life and I agree that to just have one meal on the menu would bore us all.

But should we set some kind of moral limit?

I have and fight to end Christianity and Islam.

I am a Christian, and I have done nothing wrong, to you. You don't have the right to end my Christian, faith. Religious liberty, is a basic, human right. I am so tired of leftists, and others, targeting Christians, but giving other people, a free pass.

True that you and your ilk cannot touch me, but you continue your low grade inquisition against gays and women. Your foul religion would deny more than half the population equality.

When exactly did religious liberty, become a basic, human right. A right that your religion denied us with their inquisitions. Not yopur fault directly, but what would you think of those who promoted Hitler and his ilk, which is wht you are doing by promoting a genocidal garbage god.


At least Hitler did not target animals. Now that really makes Yahweh just a touch more vile than Hitler. Do you olike him too, as your second fav genocidal prick?


Regards
DL  

YeshuaBought

GnosticChristian said:

YeshuaBought said:

GnosticChristian said:

@AlofRI ;

Variety is the spice of life and I agree that to just have one meal on the menu would bore us all.

But should we set some kind of moral limit?

I have and fight to end Christianity and Islam.

I am a Christian, and I have done nothing wrong, to you. You don't have the right to end my Christian, faith. Religious liberty, is a basic, human right. I am so tired of leftists, and others, targeting Christians, but giving other people, a free pass.

True that you and your ilk cannot touch me, but you continue your low grade inquisition against gays and women. Your foul religion would deny more than half the population equality.

When exactly did religious liberty, become a basic, human right. A right that your religion denied us with their inquisitions. Not yopur fault directly, but what would you think of those who promoted Hitler and his ilk, which is wht you are doing by promoting a genocidal garbage god.


At least Hitler did not target animals. Now that really makes Yahweh just a touch more vile than Hitler. Do you olike him too, as your second fav genocidal prick?


Regards
DL  

It's my life. If I want to be a Christian, and I do, you don't have the right to stop me. What I do is none of your business, and if you don't like Jesus, don't worship Him. I stand by my statement that religious liberty is a human right, and no, I will not answer to you. You don't have authority over me, as you are not my Creator. I am going to do what I want, and anyone that tries to stop me, will be sued, on First Amendment grounds. Liberty in general, is a human right, but big government, is not.

MayCaesar

ZeusAres42 said:

@MayCaesar I agree with most of this except with the last part. If everyone is left to their own devices then terrorism would be far worse than what it is at the moment as all the terrorists across the world would be left to their own devices. 

But I guess you mean everyone within reason anyway.

But terrorism generally arises exactly because people force each other to do something. A person who just lives a quiet free life will not suddenly decide to take explosives and blow themselves up in a crowded place; it is the people mistreated by the society do so. If the society was more open-minded and left people be as long as they leave each other be, then I doubt that terrorism would even exist. Of course, people are the society, so it is not all that simple, but the general principle holds, I believe. There are exceptions to most rules, but this is a rule good enough that those exceptions can be allowed.

GnosticChristian

@YeshuaBought ;

Your constitution is defective, but carry on with your loser's way of adoring a genocidal god.

Regards
DL

Sand

@GnosticChristian

Why to you adhere to a genocidal government?

Sand

@GnosticChristian

I watched the video.

He claimed to compare Yahweh and Satan.

But he did not mention any of Satan's actions only Yahweh.

So this was not a comparison at all.

Also, God warned everyone in each scenario, giving each person an ultimatum.

Offering a boat to survive, offering a way to fix things peacefully.

Plus it was not mentioned the level of adversity the other side was causing.

So is telling children stories about history, child mental abuse because of the violence.

I suppose so if you ban all the cartoons, movies, and other comics, stories, and history books that have violence.

GnosticChristian

Sand said:

@GnosticChristian

Why to you adhere to a genocidal government?

I have an answer that was rejected for no good reason. I have asked the mod to have a look.

The bottom line was that you have a genocidal government and we Canadians do not.

Regards
DL

Sand

@GnosticChristian

All Countries have blood on their hands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Canada

GnosticChristian

Sand said:

@GnosticChristian

I watched the video.

He claimed to compare Yahweh and Satan.

But he did not mention any of Satan's actions only Yahweh.

So this was not a comparison at all.

Also, God warned everyone in each scenario, giving each person an ultimatum.

Offering a boat to survive, offering a way to fix things peacefully.

Plus it was not mentioned the level of adversity the other side was causing.

So is telling children stories about history, child mental abuse because of the violence.

I suppose so if you ban all the cartoons, movies, and other comics, stories, and history books that have violence.

I see it as a moral question and will go with Jesus and his ways which are the opposite of Yahweh's, who takes the satanic moral low ground and kills, when he could just as easily take the moral high ground and cure. That would follow what Jesus said of his coming to cure the ill, not kill them.

Care to explain why Jesus is so different than Yahweh, and whose methods ar4e moral?

Or take the easier route and answer a simple question on Yahweh and Satan.

Which character is more likely to use genocide? Yahweh or Satan?

Regards
DL

P.S. I am not a literalist and these are just fictional characters to me, but one is definitely satanic and it is not Satan.
 
 

GnosticChristian

Sand said:

@GnosticChristian

All Countries have blood on their hands:

Indeed, but not as much as the U.S.

If Debra passes my initial reply, it will be explained.

Regards
DL

Sand

@GnosticChristian

>>>Care to explain why Jesus is so different than Yahweh, and whose methods ar4e moral?<<<

Jesus is more like Yahweh than all the other angels.

In each instance in the Bible, various Angels represented Yahweh in his name.

That is the reason for the different decisions.

>>>Which character is more likely to use genocide? Yahweh or Satan?<<<

Both.

Just one has the right, gives warnings, and multiple opportunities to rectify peacefully.

>>>I am not a literalist and these are just fictional characters to me, but one is definitely satanic and it is not Satan.<<<

As a literalist, you know no one has concrete evidence on how man came about in the world.

So one viewpoint is equal to another's viewpoint.

Evolution of the species is just as fictional.