Is Trump a good person? (aside from politics)

JulesKorngold

Trump was convicted of sexual assault.  Is that good?

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JulesKorngold said:

Trump was convicted of sexual assault.  Is that good?

I would say no. However is biden any better with his obsession of fondling little girls? Problem is trump policies benefited the average American where as biden tried to force people into overpriced electric pieces of crap for cars. Which looney bird do we vote for?   

Bogan

@JulesKorngold

He was also convicted of fraud by the same corrupt, two tiered US justice system.     Trump claimed that he did not even know the woman and I believe him.    So do tens of millions of female voters who voted for him.in 2020 and will vote for him again in 2024

What is this obsession with Trump?    He is no saint but then who is?

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Bogan said:

@JulesKorngold

He was also convicted of fraud by the same corrupt, two tiered US justice system.     Trump claimed that he did not even know the woman and I believe him.    So do tens of millions of female voters who voted for him.in 2020 and will vote for him again in 2024

What is this obsession with Trump?    He is no saint but then who is?

It's all about ideology. They suffer the very same brain defect as the religious. 

Joeseph

Trump is a scumbag going by any standards of decency but Americans being a nation of half-wits get what they deserve........


On May 20, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump and Saudi Arabia's Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud signed a series of letters of intent for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to purchase arms from the United States totaling US$110 billion immediately, and $350 billion over 10 years


Go USA supply the country with arms that supplied  the 15 Saudi 9 /11 bombers , ROFLMAO 

all4actt

I think a President's problems with relationships has been glossed over since as far back as JFK.  Can anyone not argue that the Clinton/Lawinski scandal is not something that should have been impeachable. 

 Similar behaviors have taken down people like Havey Wienstien and others that had affairs with people they had power over.

Not to mention Clinton lied over and over about it.

Now we turn a page to another President who is known for not having the highest moral values when it comes to see.

When it comes to politics it makes a good story and sells a few papers but in the long run people seem to lose interest and are more interested in the policies they implement than their morals.

Bogan

Americans seem to have a much higher character standard than other people.     The Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt was a notorious womaniser who was married, but who had numerous affairs during his term in office, which were barely remarked upon by the Australian press

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Frazer famously lost his trousers in a New York hotel which resulted in complete hilarity in Australia, as well as allegations from some young women that Fraser was always hitting on them.

The French President Mitterand always went on official overseas visits accompanied by a group of "power dressed" young women which were his personal harem
The French press could not care a sou about that because the French just take it for granted that powerful men have enhanced sexual appetites.     The French in particular wonder why the Yanks are so obsessed with the sexual propriety of their leaders

Factfinder

Bogan said:

Americans seem to have a much higher character standard than other people.     The Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt was a notorious womaniser who was married, but who had numerous affairs during his term in office, which were barely remarked upon by the Australian press

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Frazer famously lost his trousers in a New York hotel which resulted in complete hilarity in Australia, as well as allegations from some young women that Fraser was always hitting on them.

The French President Mitterand always went on official overseas visits accompanied by a group of "power dressed" young women which were his personal harem
The French press could not care a sou about that because the French just take it for granted that powerful men have enhanced sexual appetites.     The French in particular wonder why the Yanks are so obsessed with the sexual propriety of their leaders

Now that is a weakness we yanks have had. We know affairs go on and really don't care except when it comes to politically manipulating the religious right. And it works. Go figure since they do not hold to any higher standards. Same divorce rates and all. I mean we all screw around, get over it, right? Well some may not but generally speaking.

MayCaesar

I am not sure. He seems like a habitual lyar (nice censorship here, by the way) and manipulator in virtually everything he does. Unlike other "shock value" enterpreneurs like Grant Cardone or Mark Cuban, there does not seem to be any substance behind his words: he seems to mostly just make stuff up. He is the American version of Silvio Berlusconi, someone who always plays a character. I cannot imagine that it would be fun to hang out with him when I cannot trust a single word he says.

The reason I say "I am not sure" is because I have no idea what he is like in private. I only am familiar with his public persona. Perhaps when he is playing golf with his friends or hanging out with his family on Thanksgiving, he is the best grandpa to be around. I doubt that, however, unless he is a much better actor than I think he is.

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@MayCaesar

Trump is trump. What you see is what you get. Reactionary? Yes. Obviously unashamedly conservative? Yes. Operates in survival mode always by looking after self interest? Yes. Can he be hypocritical? Yes. Was America better with him as president than we are now with biden? Yes. That's the choices we have so I'm going with trump. Biden's ethics ain't no better.

MayCaesar

@Factfinder

Well, "Was a better president than Biden" is not something I would want to put on my resume. In any case, the title question was about Trump being or not being a good person aside from politics, which is precisely what my comment was about.

Factfinder

MayCaesar said:

@Factfinder

Well, "Was a better president than Biden" is not something I would want to put on my resume. In any case, the title question was about Trump being or not being a good person aside from politics, which is precisely what my comment was about.

Valid points. I wasn't so much as in disagreement with you were saying as I was just venting frustration the two of them are our only choices at this point. Really isn't that far estranged as from the so called elections in Russia. You know? At the end of the day we have a choice between tweedled dee and tweedled dumb, while Russia just has tweedled dumb. Discounting what ever pseudo candidate faces Putin of course. Both nations in their own way have democracy issues concerning their voting processes.

Bogan

My opinion is, that Donald Trump is a very middle of the road conservative, who is beginning to overcome the fake news narrative that he is some sort of bad character, and he is now appealing to the sane side of the Democratic electorate who now realise that the media has been l-ying to them about Trump..

Delilah6120

@anarchist100

Trump is the most amoral human being I´ve ever encountered. He gives the meaning of human being a bad name.
1. He discriminated against blacks (with Daddy). They had employees label an African American´s applications with a circled C (for colored) when applying for an apt. in their buildings. A violation of the Fair Housing Act
2. While his properties were being built, his workers were systematically ripped off. Trump would agree on contract price. When the work was done he automatically said the job was not done well and paid them less than the agreed upon. He knows - and abuses the court system well. When his employees sued him for their $, trump kept appealing to get out of what he owed knowing that they would eventually need their money so they always had to settle for less.
3. He cheated on ALL 3 wives at least once if not more. Melania had just given birth and he was playing with a porn star.
4. He was friends with Epstein and actually admired him.
5. He took out a full page ad in NYC when the Central Park 5 (4 black, 1 latino) were accused of attacking and raping a girl. THEY WERE ALL INNOCENT. Racist.
6. He perpetuated the Obama birth certificate problem. racist.
7. He openly sexualized his own daughter.
8. He had his first wife (who died falling down the stairs?????) buried at his golf course knowing that if it was used as a cemetery he wouldn´t have to pay taxes.
9. He had his fixer pay off a porn star and playboy bunny right before the election.

And that is not even his presidency as your question was ¨aside from politics¨. It gets worse if politics was to be included.

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@anarchist100

Trump is the most amoral human being I´ve ever encountered. He gives the meaning of human being a bad name.
1. He discriminated against blacks (with Daddy). They had employees label an African American´s applications with a circled C (for colored) when applying for an apt. in their buildings. A violation of the Fair Housing Act
2. While his properties were being built, his workers were systematically ripped off. Trump would agree on contract price. When the work was done he automatically said the job was not done well and paid them less than the agreed upon. He knows - and abuses the court system well. When his employees sued him for their $, trump kept appealing to get out of what he owed knowing that they would eventually need their money so they always had to settle for less.
3. He cheated on ALL 3 wives at least once if not more. Melania had just given birth and he was playing with a porn star.
4. He was friends with Epstein and actually admired him.
5. He took out a full page ad in NYC when the Central Park 5 (4 black, 1 latino) were accused of attacking and raping a girl. THEY WERE ALL INNOCENT. Racist.
6. He perpetuated the Obama birth certificate problem. racist.
7. He openly sexualized his own daughter.
8. He had his first wife (who died falling down the stairs?????) buried at his golf course knowing that if it was used as a cemetery he wouldn´t have to pay taxes.
9. He had his fixer pay off a porn star and playboy bunny right before the election.

And that is not even his presidency as your question was ¨aside from politics¨. It gets worse if politics was to be included.

I don't want to give the impression that Trump is a moral person.  Some of your points are not valid though.

1) He discriminated against blacks (with Daddy). They had employees label an African American´s applications with a circled C (for colored) when applying for an apt. in their buildings. A violation of the Fair Housing Act

Trump wasn't involved in the day to running of the building.  It has never been shown that he authorized any mistreatment or was even aware of it.

4. He was friends with Epstein and actually admired him.

Bill Clinton was a closer friend to Epstein than Trump.  Your argument is a guilt by association argument.  This is a weak argument.  Everyone in politics has associations with people who have turned out to be bad people.  It is inappropriate to say someone is guilty for the sins of another though.

5. He took out a full page ad in NYC when the Central Park 5 (4 black, 1 latino) were accused of attacking and raping a girl. THEY WERE ALL INNOCENT. Racist.

When Trump took out the ad, 4 of the 5 had confessed before a judge under penalty of perjury that they were guilty of the rape.  It seems unfair to say Trump was motivated by racism for 'falsely accusing them' when they had falsely accused themselves before Trump posted the ad.  Are 4 of the 5 suspects racists also for falsely accusing themselves?  If not, this is an invalid argument.

6. He perpetuated the Obama birth certificate problem. racist.

Yes he did, and he also admitted he was wrong.  Hilary Clinton just last week again claimed Trump stole the election from her.  Is she racist for her claim?  If not, then it seems plausible that Trump was making a political argument and not a racial one.  Your claim doesn't show racial intent.  Are you claiming that any false claim against a minority is racist?  That seems illogical.

Delilah6120

Argument Topic: I don't want to give the impression that Trump is a moral person. Some of your points are not valid though.

@just_sayin

I´ve done my reading on trump´s past and frankly Iḿ finding it´s a waste of time to even talk about him. But I do find your statement (assuming that you will vote for him again) quite interesting and a bit puzzling.

Why would you vote for an amoral person to be a leader of the free world?

jack

anarchist100 said:

Is Trump a good person? (aside from politics)

Hello a:

Nope.

excon

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@just_sayin

I´ve done my reading on trump´s past and frankly Iḿ finding it´s a waste of time to even talk about him. But I do find your statement (assuming that you will vote for him again) quite interesting and a bit puzzling.

Why would you vote for an amoral person to be a leader of the free world?

Votes are not made in a vacuum.  You have to consider the options.  I think Trump is a better choice than Biden.  Here's why:

1) Biden supports racist policies such as DEI and Affirmative Action.  I know some think their racism is good and holy racism, but its just racism, and its wrong.  Trump does not support these racist policies.

2) Trump supports school choice.  Biden wants poor Black children to remain chained to failed public schools.  I get how it helps teacher unions and Democrat candidates, who get a lot of money from teacher unions, but how does it help that poor Black kid trapped in a bad school?  To me, school choice, is the civil rights issue of our generation and Biden is on the wrong side of it.

3) Though not perfect, I don't like protectionist policies, Trump has better trade and economic policies than Biden.  Biden's own advisers told him the Inflation Reduction Act would cause inflation to jump sharply.  He didn't listen to them, so we all are paying $700 on average more a month for the same stuff we had under Trump.

4) Trump may have fooled around on women, but at least he can define what one is.  Biden can't define what a woman is.  He has initiated polices which treat women unfairly and have them compete against biological men.  When someone claims a man can have a vagina and menstrate, he doesn't know what a woman is and isn't interested in defending their interests.  

5) Trump supports parental rights.  Biden doesn't.  He feels that schools should be able to lie to parents about their kids gender dysphoria and hide their sexual transitioning from them.  He used the FBI and CIA against parents who spoke out at PTA meetings about sexually explicit books in grade schools.  In my mind, if you aren't pro-parent, then you are pro-pedophile.

6) Which brings me to my next point.  Biden tried to remove a policy Trump instituted that would have allowed schools to no longer report public school teachers who had engaged in sexual misconduct with students to the DOE. Who wants to hide 15,000 instances of sexual misconduct and sexual assault a year from the public?  Joe Biden, that's who.  There is no logical reason to not report to the DOE these instances of sexual misconduct, unless you want to hide and cover up something.  

7) I believe Trump will work to reduce unlawful entry into the US.  Obama's Civil Rights Commission on Illegal Immigration found that illegal labor costs Black workers between $1,000 - $2,000 a year in lost and reduced wages.  Why is it just to take $2,000 out of a Black man's wallet every year, to promote illegal labor?  

jack

just_sayin said:

Votes are not made in a vacuum.  You have to consider the options.  I think Trump is a better choice than Biden.  Here's why:

Hello:

The question was about Trump ASIDE from politics..  I notice that you focused on politics..  Apparently, you found NOTHING worthy about the man..  On that, we agree.

I like presidents who weren't convicted, impeached or indicted, I hate to tell ya.

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

Votes are not made in a vacuum.  You have to consider the options.  I think Trump is a better choice than Biden.  Here's why:

Hello:

The question was about Trump ASIDE from politics..  I notice that you focused on politics..  Apparently, you found NOTHING worthy about the man..  On that, we agree.

excon

I was asked why I would vote for Trump, and answered that question.  

For example, Biden has completely failed to enforce the border.



 In 2018, the Trump Department of Justice charged 84,000 people with illegal entry.  The total number charged during the entire three-year period from 2021 to 2023 was 11,000, only 4% of the old rate.  You have to be trying to not catch unlawful entrants to have those kind of numbers.

jack

just_sayin said:

I was asked why I would vote for Trump, and answered that question.  

Hello again, just:

Uhhh, no...  I pasted the question here. 

Is Trump a good person? (aside from politics)

Truly, even though you support him, you KNOW he's a no good SOB.

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

I was asked why I would vote for Trump, and answered that question.  

Hello again, just:

Uhhh, no...  I pasted the question here. 

Is Trump a good person? (aside from politics)

Truly, even though you support him, you KNOW he's a no good SOB.

excon

Jack,

We all see your desperation.  Even Democrat analysts admit that if this presidential election is on the job that Joe Biden has done, he loses - bigly.  I think it speaks to the weakness of the Democrats when they can not appeal to their policies and accomplishments and must trash their opponent.  

Trump has his problems, but he was a better president than Biden.  Even a lot of Democrats agree with me.

Delilah6120

@Factfinder

Do you have strong, credible evidence that Biden fondles children? 
I seem to remember trump sexualizing his own daughter.

Delilah6120

@Factfinder

My son has a Tesla and loves it. He´s saved 80% from gas fillups. Where do you get your information?

Delilah6120

@Bogan

Really? Cult member?

Delilah6120

Argument Topic: Americans seem to have a much higher character standard than other people. The Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt was a notorious womaniser who was married, but who had numerous affairs during his term in office, which were barely remarked upon by the Australian press

@Bogan

This trial is not because he cheats on his wives. He falsified business records in an attempt to interfere with an election.

Delilah6120

Argument Topic: 6. He perpetuated the Obama birth certificate problem. racist. Yes he did, and he also admitted he was wrong.

@just_sayin

I would LOVE to see proof of this.

Factfinder

@Delilah6120

https://youtu.be/V4PLSPvJ9BY



https://www.nbcnews.com/video/biden-accused-of-inappropriate-touching-revisit-his-2013-2017-mock-swear-ins-1507413059758

Factfinder

Delilah6120 said:

@Factfinder

My son has a Tesla and loves it. He´s saved 80% from gas fillups. Where do you get your information?

Good for your son. He could afford to overpay for a car that may or may not charge when you plug it in. Despite his circumstances millions and millions of other Americans can't afford to just dump their paid off gas cars that they rely on for commuting to work just because some self serving elitist has a tissy fit with American energy companies.  Various news sources.

https://www.newsweek.com/backlash-biden-says-high-gas-prices-are-part-incredible-transition-1709401

ZeusAres42

Factfinder

@ZeusAres42

So we have Bozo and Marco the clowns and who do you throw into the mix Zeus? A Russian speaking Clarabelle ? LOL