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What you are talking about now is charity, which is not what taxation is. If you want to invest $1,000 of your own funds into a poor person to make the world a better place - great, all the power for you. This is not what is being discussed here, however.
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As for taxation and investment helping the poorest is usually the best value. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Investing in pest control in a destitute school with mold, rats, and cockroaches can prevent expensive chronic illness including allergies and asthma. Then, medicaid ends up footing the bill.
"A recent ERS study examined the multiplier impact of a hypothetical $1 billion increase in SNAP benefits and found that this expansion of benefits during a slowing economy would increase Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by $1.54 billion and support 13,560 jobs, including nearly 500 agricultural jobs (farming, forestry, fishing, and hunting). The expanded benefits would also boost income in the agriculture industries by $32 million."
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2019/july/quantifying-the-impact-of-snap-benefits-on-the-u-s-economy-and-jobs/
Taxation and giving to poor people increases gross domestic product and creates jobs. This is not even taking into account the determintal effects of hunger and food insecurity that food stamps alleviates.
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You see how you will never win a racialist argument. If you program your mind to make such tard observations then your always going to look at other races through shite tinted glasses.
So what if there spending all that money on trying to get the abos out of there rut. it was the limmy convicts and the governors who put them there in the first place and its going to take more than a generatin to get them out. They put the abos there so they now have to pay the money and even more to get them out. I reckon that your just scarred that those people are turning out to be a lot smarter and cultured than you are.
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"Best value" for whom? For the poorest? No kidding. What about those who have their property taken away from them by force? Again, we are talking about investing, not charity, and when investing in something, I want to have an expectation of return for me. If some poor kid getting better educated is a byproduct of that, then all the better, but so far you have only explained how that deal benefits him and not me.
When you go to a computer store, do you often see a clerk walk up to you and say, "Please buy this laptop. I will get 10% of the revenue and be able to afford a more upscale dinner on the date tomorrow!"? Would this suggestion convince you to buy the laptop? Or do you go to a computer store with a different purpose than making lives of the workers there better?
As for GDP and the number of jobs increasing, these are abstract population-wide metrics that have nothing to do with me. The GDP of this country growing by 10% means nothing if the value of my assets drops by 20% via taxation and inflation. As for jobs, I already have a very nice career and do not care if, in addition to a hundred million vacancies already on the marker, a couple more million appear.
I will ask you once again, Dreamer (or a Nightmarer, rather?): explain to me how 1) this is an investment at all, considering that I have no agency in it, and 2) how this investment is beneficial to me and not to some random kid in Detroit.
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You have yet to explain to me how it benefits me. This is a debate website, Jack, not "Here is a homework assignment for you" website. If you cannot explain how it benefits me, then you are wasting everyone's time asserting that it does.
As for me not wanting to spend money on the poor people of Detroit... indeed, I can think of a million other ventures where my investment is more likely to pay off. However, if someone can convince me that this venture is much more profitable than it seems, then my mind will be changed. The heart of the issue here is that you have no explanation: your sales pitch is crappy and investors are fleeing you.
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It is not ethereal: either you can explain it, or you cannot. Empirically it appears that you cannot, hence your entire argument is based on emotions and feelings and not on logic. Well, I am not interested in emotion and feeling-driven arguments: as far as I am concerned, if you cannot explain something logically, then that something is hogwash.
I think that the interstate highway system spending was profitable in some respects and wasteful in other respects. Now that I answered yet another one of your questions, please answer my single question. This is a conversation, Jack, and you are supposed to reciprocate the effort, instead of constantly jumping around and dodging your opponents' requests.
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Your argument falls apart though when you claim schooling is the education needed but also claim in your opinion 99.9% are uneducated while schooling exists.
What if I do not accept your premise that college does a good job of educating or that many of those receiving the education should not be wasting there time with it 1. Because they are not pursuant of a useful degree or 2. They just arent bright enough for the education to give them a leg up.
People already cannot make a proper determination of cost/benefit when taking tens of thousands in student debt using their own money. What would make me think theyll be efficient spending mine.
Those with a strong work ethic or display a level of intelligence within there position should be recognized by businesses as worth the investment.
Businesses will identify growth in areas that have demand and non where no benefit is seemingly provided.
Then you also never answered how your proposal is a business effort that should be applauded by right wingers when your using the government to fund it.
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Reparations are appropriate for every Asian and white student who were discriminated against by racist Affirmative Action policies. These students should have been able to get into the colleges they applied for but where denied access for their race. Unlike reparations for slavery, the people who discriminated against the students, and the students themselves are still alive. These schools had a distorted view of justice, that took away people's humanity and individuality and reduced them to a subgroup so they could discriminate against them. True justice goes down to the individual and is committed to justice for each person. It does not show favoritism or partiality as those who enacted racist AA policies did.
Not only should universities pay reparations to Asian and white students who were eligible for admission but because of AA were denied, Black and Hispanic students who were callously placed in universities, that only cared about their diversity ranking, and allowed these students to flunk out, drop out, or had to switch to lesser paying majors because they were put in programs they were not academically ready for, should also be paid reparations for their college tuition.
Just like the whites and Asians who were discriminated against, these Black and Hispanic students were not seen as individuals, but as nothing but a number of a racial subgroup. Their success was not a concern or factor, and they too are victims of racist academia..
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A more defensible position would be that, on average, an educated person brings more benefit than costs to a society. Perhaps. This still says nothing, however, about whether putting a scarce resource into educating them is a good idea. If someone takes away $1,000 from me and wants to invest it into something afterwards, quite a bit of explanation need to be done in order to justify investing it into educating a kid in Detroit specifically (given that I live in Mississippi).
I have never made the "assertion that an educated populous is no better for society than a bunch of dummies". Where did you get this drivel from?
Sorry, Jack, I cannot resist making a little joke at your expense... It does not appear that the education you received has benefited a lot of people.
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You make a bad argument - you pay the price. Talking about benefits of educating people, somehow the education you received did not teach you this simple truth. I would think that the basic tenets of logic are a prerequisite to any imaginable intellectual endeavor.
I remember the very first non-fiction book I read in my life. I was 6, and my grandmother borrowed a book on popular aviation and gave it to me. I understood, at most, 10% of the material - but I did learn pretty quickly that any flaw in the design of a part of a plane has a large cascade of negative consequences and possible casualties.
I repeat, I was 6 when I learned this.
An education system that does not produce adults who keep this in mind when making their arguments is not worth a penny.
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