If The Universe Is Expanding What Is It Expanding Into?

just_sayin

Argument Topic: Our relatively young expanding universe disproves a universe from nothing

According to vacuum fluctuation models (Edward Tryon was the first in 1973 - Edward, Tryon, "Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?" Nature 246 (1973) 396-97). the universe came into existence from a 'virtual particle'. According to the theory these universes will arise sporadically but because the process is eternal an infinite number of universe will be created by this process.

To explain the astonishingly large-scale homogeneity and isotropy of the universe, Guth claimed that between 10^-35 and 10^-33 sec after the big bang singularity the universe underwent a super rapid , or inflationary expansion of the universe (A. Guth, "inflationary Universe: A Possible Solution to the Horizon and Flatness Problems, Physical Review D 23 (1981): 247-56.)

 "Given infinite past tine, universes will eventually be spawn at EVERY POINT IN THE PRIMORDIAL VACUUM, and as they expand will collide and coalesce with one another. Thus given infinite past time, we should by now be observing an infinitely old universe not a relatively young one." - William Lane Craig, Creation Out of Nothing, 2004, p231.

Because we see a relatively young universe that is expanding instead of an infinitely old universe with matter flying in all directions, we can conclude that our universe is not one an infinite number of universes created from a vacuum fluctuation (i.e. virtual particle).

Cosmologist Christopher Isham has called this problem "fairly lethal" to vacuum fluctuation models and says that therefore they 'have not found wide acceptance." (Christopher Isham, "Space, Time, and Quantum Cosmology", God, Time and Modern Physics, March 1990)

The virtual particle theory was on the trash heap of discarded failed notions until the last decade or so. None of the problems with the theory such as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle have been adequately addressed, but creation out of nothing is more a faith claim than something supported by science any way. But know when you see an expanding universe, rather than an infinitely old one, it suggests that our universe not only had a beginning, but is unique.

John_C_87

@JulesKorngold

Is the universe expanding or are galaxies moving? Galaxies are moving I am sure.
How big is the universe? Not applicable please describe a shape to the universe before asking the size of that shape.

According to some people in the world the universe is expanding in the minds of those who cannot understand some forms of mathematics..
If it is measured in light yeas which type of start is used to generate the rate of energy that moves the light a Universe which is not described by a geometric shape is measured?

Could there just be something wrong with digital time, computer time, and atomic time or are number sums with two, and three decimal places the mathematic norm, (0.016.016.01) minutes The minutes looks good this way ( 1.016 Minutes) meaning 01: 01 second looks good this way as well. 01: 01.01 looks good here like it blends right in with the other numbers. Though if we divided 1 minute by 60 seconds, we get seconds that are 0.016 as long as a minute. 01: 01.016 is by artificial intelligence smaller than a second and is labeled as nano second.

I have never seen this in any other mathematics JulesKorngold have you?

Is this artificial Intelligence before it is translated into computer code?
According to some people in the world the universe is expanding in the minds of those who cannot understand some forms of mathematics.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: So...

@just_sayin
Interesting explanation.  The question is now what is the multiverse expanding into?

John_C_87

@JulesKorngold

Interesting explanation.  The question is now what is the multiverse expanding into?
A comic strip and no realistic physics mathematics...

John_C_87

@just_sayin
According to vacuum fluctuation models (Edward Tryon was the first in 1973 - Edward, Tryon, "Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?

According to human mathematics and dynamics, when, and not if an object is expanding there is a more than likely cause created by centrifugal force pulling the object apart as erratic rotation describes the objective as rotating in four major directions at once. This would mean a Universe is rotating in four or more directions all the time creating multiple levels of measured vacuum only if the viscosity of the substance between elements was / is subject to chemical or physical change. What this also means to the world is that this type of special rotation is inadvertently added to the characteristics of a Universe by physics.
In theory.

Mechanics | Definition, Examples, Laws, & Facts | Britannica
laws of mechanical dynamics - Bing images

As we have special relativity with negative numbers out of nowhere and time values multiple decimals in singular sums of an equation.

Mathematical notation, like other aspects of human language, is a human creation - we decide what things mean. The system that is most commonly used at the moment is decimal notation.

In this system of notation, there is no meaning of adding a second decimal point. That is not to say that it is impossible to come up with a meaning - perhaps there is some usage in mathematics where a second decimal point would be a convenient and clear way of indicating something, and if there were, perhaps it would then be adopted as a part of our system of notation. But currently, it does not mean anything to write 1.1.2

notation - Is it possible to have multiple decimal points in a number? - Mathematics Stack Exchange

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold I dont think that the universe is expanding in to any thing and most scientists agree that that in fact the universe is expanding out woods. For example the mini sub that was going to the Titanic inpanded in to it self so to speak and that is called an implosion. So what the universe is doing is that it is continuously exploding which means its going out. And it is actually expanding in to nothing because there was nothing there in the first place. I think a hole lot of people get hanged up on the word nothing because they are to scarred to think about nothing because they all ways have to think about that theres got to be some thing so that there heads dont spin a round so much because they cant fill the void going on in there minds. So that really the answer is very simple really because the universe is expanding in to nothing and we should all accept that there is such a thing as nothing and stop inventing all these dum myths about parallel universes and time warps and different quantum dimensions and cut out all the what ifs and concentrate on what is and then we will start getting the right answers a lot quicker.

jack

JulesKorngold said:

Hmm?

Hello Jules:

The Universe is 13.8 billion years old.  Dark matter is, and has been, making space for the Universe to expand into.  Do I have evidence for this?   Nahh.

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just_sayin

@jack

The Universe is 13.8 billion years old.  Dark matter is, and has been, making space for the Universe to expand into.  Do I have evidence for this?   Nahh.

Dark Matter is theoretical.  It is assumed due to the gravitational spin of some galaxies being too fast to stay together.  However, there appears to be problems with the theory as galaxies that should have 10% - 70% dark matter have less than 5 percent (at most).  See article

Our picture of cosmic evolution could be thrown into doubt by the discovery of a massive galaxy that seems to lack dark matter.

Dark matter, which accounts for around 85% of the matter in the universe, seems to be absent from the galaxy NGC 1277, part of the Perseus Cluster of galaxies. The galaxy, located 240 million light-years from Earth, is the first Milky Way-sized conglomeration of stars, planets, dust and gas found to be missing dark matter.

"This result does not fit in with the currently accepted cosmological models, which include dark matter," the leader behind the discovery and University of La Laguna researcher Sebastién Comerón said in a statement.

Inflation is what is believed to have triggered the expansion of the universe.  This is believed to have been caused by that was driven by a negative-pressure vacuum energy density.  Wikipedia says "the acceleration of this expansion due to dark energy began after the universe was already over 7.7 billion years old (5.4 billion years ago)."

jack

just_sayin said:

@jack

Dark Matter is theoretical.

Hello j:

It is, isn't it? And, what you contend isn't theoretical???  Du*de!

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John_C_87

Argument Topic: Pyrite, Chert, and Flint.

 Again, repeating oneself is often a necessity of evil. The Universe would need a size to make any observation of expansion or contraction. What is the size of the Universe? If it is to be measured with the speed of light of a star which type star is the light clocked to have been projected from? Dark matter is simply matter which has been or is being obscured from light. Hence dark matter is not theory, it is observable fact. The Mathematics of Einstein ‘s field equation has little or nothing to do with the provision of science discovery, dumb luck maybe. The fact is the work which is theory or better stated as wrong, incorrectly performed, or human malfunction is well outside control of Einstein and rests in laws of mathematics. For many reasons not all mistakes are tied directly to Einstein practice alone. Many of these issues had been connected to or concerning with the principles of mathematics which Einstein simply failed to address, locate or conclude describing openly as an issue of importance.

Though beyond any person’s easy understanding the only reason Pi even is close to working as a mathematician ratio in equations and mathematic formula is because it is so close to a ratio of 4:1 though the intentional target by division was for the ratio of (3: 1). It can be left to say there are hidden mathematic issues that unfold as people venture outside the circle circumference when describing ratio.