End religious privilege.

Dreamer

This is bull:

"Liberty Counsel—an evangelical nonprofit legal foundation—has been offering pro bono representation for clients in pursuit of religious exemption."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-new-side-hustle-helping-anti-vaxxers-get-religious-exemptions

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

Religious privilege is whenever religion is given undue respect or too much respect without being earned. The only excuse for religion that stands up to scientific scrutiny is it builds community. So do conspiracy theories including flat Earth.

Take this as a test example. Should someone receive vaccine exemptions because they believe the Earth is flat? No, they shouldn't. Yet, somehow if someone believes in Sauron or Gandalf they are given privilege. After-all, both had victory over the grave.

The same goes for teaching creationism in school and tax religious exemptions.

At some point we have to realize many people lie and say they are religious when they aren't. Debunking a religion they don't believe in won't work. After-all, if there is economic or political gain, why wouldn't any sociopath exploit superstition to their advantage?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/liberty-counsel

We have seen the end game of religion with Christianity. An alt-right hate and extremist group that hands out vaccine exemptions, Liberty Council. All because they claim they believe in Gandalf do we allow this.

Religion won't end because it is useful. Logic based inoculation will help, but we also need to pass laws that halt creationism/intelligent design infiltration into schools, stop vaccine exemptions, tax breaks, and all other religious privilege. We need to stop the culture of extreme libertarian point of view we allow with religion. MLM schemes often mix religion.

I don't know which is bigger - your hypocrisy or bigotry.  Let's start with the hypocrisy first.  You have argued that we should allow innocent human lives to be killed because we need to respect the bodily autonomy of the progenitor who wants the child in her dead.  Yet, you want to force someone of faith to get a COVID vaccine and violate their bodily autonomy.  According to the CDC, 2 out of every 100 people who don't get a COVID shot will die.  Oddly, the CDC does not track those who died because of complications from the COVID shot.  That said, forcing someone to do something against their own bodily autonomy for a 2 percent chance of harm, versus killing an innocent human life 100% of the time using the bodily autonomy argument to justify the killings.  That's some audacity and hypocrisy right there.  

The Supreme Court has ruled on the vaccine issue - religious exemptions are protected under the 1st amendment.  When a person of faith is granted exemption, they often have to compensate for this.  For example at many universities, those with vaccine exemptions must show either a note from a doctor each week or show a negative COVID test each week to show that they don't have COVID.  This is also the policy at government facilities.  So the notion that people without a vaccine are a great threat is not really true. 

Let's talk about the religious bigotry of the COVID policy demanded and the other anti-religious policies.  Why target people of faith, when exemptions are permitted for other reasons also? The American Disabilities Act  allows for non-religious exemptions also.   Hating people of faith is not a good reason to set policy.  Tax breaks are given to 501 C3s - this includes other charity groups also.  Do you want to tax them also?  If not, then this is just bigotry.  The impact of taxing religious groups would have a devastating effect on charities.  40 of the 50 largest charities in the US are religious.  If you think it would keep religious groups out of politics, know that it would have the opposite effect.  The tax laws limit what churches can say about political candidates.  If that goes away, then they can be much more vocal.  Taxing churches would end up costing government much more as the charitable work churches do would dramatically shrink.  Do you really hate religious people so much you want to see people in need not get help?  Because that really is what you are proposing.     

jack

Dreamer said:

Religious privilege is whenever religion is given undue respect or too much respect without being earned.

Hello Dreamer:

Religious PRIVILEGE isn't a thing.  Personally, I don't know or care about what goes on in religious circles..  I don't know who respects what religion and who doesn't..  None of that effects me.  I simply don't partake.

The only break I see religion getting is their tax free status..  That's because, at one time we thought being prayerful was a good thing.. Now, that we see it ISN'T, their tax exemption should be revoked..

excon

Dee

Absolutely end it , why give privileges/ rewards  to regressive , exclusive,  divisive organisations?

Barnardot

@Dreamer Youll notice that charities and churches are lumped together when it comes to being tax exempt from taxes. And it makes you wonder how on earth churches like say the Cataholic church can ever be any where near being a charity when it owns billions of dollars of reality and art treasures and makes their members donate heaps of money even if there poor. Sure if a church actually does charity work like chucking out milk powder cookies from the back of a truck in Africa and all the starving natives go chasing it
But the church can still claim tax back on doing that work only. And any way I might be sounding sinical here but I wouldnt put it past those Catholics. They will proberly be chucking out copies of the Bible with the milk cookies and the cookies will have the face of Jesus stamped in them.

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;Oddly, the CDC does not track those who died because of complications from the COVID shot. 

Its not odd at all because no body has ever died from complications from getting the vax. No body. Yet people have died from complications from catching COVID from total arrogant dickes who refuse to get vaccinated.

Dreamer

@just_sayin

You brought up several lanes, and it would be difficult to respond to all. First the abortion argument is a red herring and false analogy. Covid is still mutating and anti-choice laws discriminate against low income people. Anti-vaxxers appropriate civil rights language which conflates the issues, don't fall for it.

 As for other exemptions there are people with disabilities including severely immune compromised. This is a valid exemption. To call this bigotry is misusing the word.

Also, I find your arguments downright anti-vaxx. Not hard core bailey denier like germ theory deniers, but the more moderate motte version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

Just because someone doesn't die they could still be disabled, hospitalized, miss work, school, and long covid. 

The old tired backfire effect. Maybe churches will get louder, maybe they won't, but who cares. If people make an unreasonable response that is on them. I ask if religious institutions act as effective charity givers or enablers and exploiters of poverty?

"In many cities it is now illegal to feed the homeless. NPR's Rachel Martin talks to Robert Marbut, the man behind the push to make handing out food a crime, who favors getting people into programs."

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/09/362737965/consultant-on-homelessness-cities-enable-the-poor

John_C_87

@Dreamer

I am not sure you are respecting the nature of the religions legal grievance, Simply said there are people who may much rather just die of what would be natural cause then pay on debt to remain alive questionable through the use of chemicals. We can just as easily state that some people feel the ultimate truth is their judge and they face death without fear. There is a possibility that a person is enslaved by evil not a Prisoner of War but instead a person who has placed themselves in so much debt in hopes of greater payback they cannot die peacefully when death comes to call.

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

You brought up several lanes, and it would be difficult to respond to all. First the abortion argument is a red herring and false analogy. Covid is still mutating and anti-choice laws discriminate against low income people. Anti-vaxxers appropriate civil rights language which conflates the issues, don't fall for it.

 As for other exemptions there are people with disabilities including severely immune compromised. This is a valid exemption. To call this bigotry is misusing the word.

Also, I find your arguments downright anti-vaxx. Not hard core bailey denier like germ theory deniers, but the more moderate motte version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

Just because someone doesn't die they could still be disabled, hospitalized, miss work, school, and long covid. 

The old tired backfire effect. Maybe churches will get louder, maybe they won't, but who cares. If people make an unreasonable response that is on them. I ask if religious institutions act as effective charity givers or enablers and exploiters of poverty?

"In many cities it is now illegal to feed the homeless. NPR's Rachel Martin talks to Robert Marbut, the man behind the push to make handing out food a crime, who favors getting people into programs."

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/09/362737965/consultant-on-homelessness-cities-enable-the-poor

I'm confused.  If the getting the vaccine protects you from COVID then how do people become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID.  Either the vaccine is effective or it is not?  Which is your position?  If the person who becomes disabled, misses work, etc.  didn't get the shot, then it is on them, right?  If they did get the shot, then why are you blaming someone else?  

Again, if someone gets a religious exemption, that does not mean they do not have to do something else to show they are healthy.  I'm sure the school you attend has such policies as I mentioned earlier.  

Do you know who thinks that religious organizations and charities are more effective at focused services to help the poor than they are - the government.  For example - FEMA works with religious organizations because they know that these organizations can mobilize faster than they can after a earthquake, hurricane, etc. FEMA admits that religious organizations will arrive before they can.  

Almost half of all social aid is provided by religious organizations or people in the US.  I mentioned that 40 of the top 50 charitable organizations are religious.  But even the non-religious ones like the Red Cross and Habitat for Humanity get their money and volunteers from religious groups primarily.  

If you go out today notice how many religious groups are out helping people at Christmas.  You will see kettles with people from the Salvation Army ringing bells to help the poor.  You will see angel trees with Christmas wish lists for children who are poor or whose parents are in prison run by religious groups.  You may see Samaritan purse shoe boxes where gifts for poor children in 3rd world countries are sent - who are also able to go to school as part of these religious programs.  In fact US religious donations provide more aid for 3rd world countries than the US government gives every year.  How many atheist groups will be out helping the poor today?  Can you even name one?

You see religious people as the enemy because you see them disagreeing with your politic views.  Your religion, ie - leftist politics, tells you it is OK to hate those who disagree with you.  Most of the Christians I know would not feel the need to reciprocate that hate.  Their belief system tells them to love those who hate them instead.  

When someone of faith points out that is is unjust to discriminate or show favoritism to someone, because the Bible says that:

Those who show favoritism aren't good; - Proverbs 28:21
But if you show favoritism, you sin  - James 2:9
For God does not show favoritism. - Romans 2:11
Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly - Lev. 19:15

since this is against your belief system of discriminating against someone because of their race and favoring other races in college admissions, hiring, promotions, benefits, grants, scholarships, and contracts, it makes you feel that they should be silenced for their support of a non-partial judicial system.  That doesn't mean they are evil and that you should hate them.  You can always try and convince them that the racism you support is good racism.  

Just because some people of faith believe we should protect rather than kill innocent unborn babies doesn't mean you should hate them.  In the same way that you genuinely believe that  the baby killing you support is good baby killing, these people of faith believe that protecting the lives of innocent human beings is good.  Instead of hate, engage in conversations with them. 

Barnardot

@just_sayin @Dreamer I'm confused. If the getting the vaccine protects you from COVID then how do people become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID.

Because the people who become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID are the people who did not get the vax. 

Are you unconfused now?

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin @Dreamer I'm confused. If the getting the vaccine protects you from COVID then how do people become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID.

Because the people who become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID are the people who did not get the vax. 

Are you unconfused now?

Thank you for making my point, though you probably don't understand what you did.  The people harmed by not taking COVID shots are people who didn't take COVID shots.  That was their choice to make and they willing bear the responsibility for their choice. 

Dreamer

@just_sayin

If you cherry pick and exclude people who are too young to vaccinated, immune compromised, people with contraindications. Also, children can get covid and die. Despite not being 18 and thus not able to vote.

"death rates were four and a half times higher in the poorest counties than those with the highest median incomes."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/us-covid-devastating-toll-poor-low-income-communities

You are using a just world fallacy. Poor people got hurt 4.5x much as rich. Not vaccinated due to disinformation and quack tycoon profiting. Let alone Russia and China troll farms spreading anti-vaxx propaganda.

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

If you cherry pick and exclude people who are too young to vaccinated, immune compromised, people with contraindications. Also, children can get covid and die. Despite not being 18 and thus not able to vote.

"death rates were four and a half times higher in the poorest counties than those with the highest median incomes."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/us-covid-devastating-toll-poor-low-income-communities

You are using a just world fallacy. Poor people got hurt 4.5x much as rich. Not vaccinated due to disinformation and quack tycoon profiting. Let alone Russia and China troll farms spreading anti-vaxx propaganda.

I strongly encourage you to read Thomas Sowell's new book - Social Justice Fallacies.  The Chess Pieces Fallacies chapter would really open your eyes to why so many of your beliefs will just make things worse in society.  Of course poor people were impacted more.  It wasn't because of a secret cabal against poor people.  There may have been greater resistance to taking an unknown vaccine, that's true, but is much more practical issues that make up the differences.  For example, in the inner city, you can go a few blocks and get a free shot, but in the Appalachian mountains, such a trip is can be an all day affair.  Poor people have less leisure time to go get a shot.  The amount of time, effort, and resources needed to get vaccinated is a greater percentage for poorer people, hence the differences.

Again, your hatred for people of faith, seems misplaced.  If you are in school with people who got a religious exemption, then know that they have had to take a COVID test every few days to continue going to in person classes.  It is more likely that someone who had taken the vaccine will give you COVID than the religious person will.  

Dreamer

@just_sayin

Base rate fallacy. " base-rate fallacy is often described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur among vaccinated people."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

Base rate fallacy. " base-rate fallacy is often described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur among vaccinated people."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext

Thanks for explaining what a base rate fallacy is.  I had not heard the term.  The "chess-pieces fallacy" derives from Adam Smith's description of the person who "seems to imagine that he can arrange the members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces on a chess-board."  So much of social justice falsely believes that it can 'arrange' people and then those people will behave as they want them to, they don't realize that when you enact laws against people, that they often do not behave in the way you want them to.  You should read Thomas Sowell's book - he documents several examples - for example minimum wage laws and how they were then used to promote racism by not hiring Black teens, whose unemployment rate had been the same as whites until minimum wage laws doubled their unemployment.  He gives multiple examples of how 'tax the rich' laws lead to massive budget shortfalls in the US.  People are not pieces on a chess board that you can move around as you see fit.  They react to unjust laws and treatment.  

Again, it seems to me that your disdain of people of faith is misplaced and if the policies you mentioned above were enacted it would have the unintended consequences of reducing social services to the poor and I believe that such overt bigotry would result in a religious resistance to such mistreatment.

Phite

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

Base rate fallacy. " base-rate fallacy is often described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur among vaccinated people."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext

What would you call a fallacy in which a person believes that a "vaccine" is effective even though it doesn't prevent infection or transmission?

How many times does fauci, wallensky, biden, etc. have to come down with covid after being fully "vaccinated" before you understand what that means about the experimental injection?  Didn't they get covid twice?

What do you make of that?

maxx

without being earned?  Are you not aware religion has given us art, music, our calendars, architecture, politics, probably a major influence on writing, and a host of other things that we take for granted today? @Dreamer

Dee

@maxx

Wow! Religion invented art , music, architecture etc etc........seriously?  

maxx

now why should i explain it to you/ you would simply ridicule and also ignore the evidence. why do you not look it up before you make a fool out of yourself. History of Art | Art and Religion (sessions.edu)   As for music, it is as old as humanity itself, and early humanity lived upon the belief of gods, and their music was to the gods for appeasement, food, and so on; i could post links for that, but since you would not even agree to the link on art, why should i bother.  How about the pyramids, great architecture achievements, burial chambers for the kings to go to the after life. want more? @Dee

Dee

@maxx

now why should i explain it to you/ you would simply ridicule and also ignore the evidence.

You shouldn't because you cannot without making a fool of yourself.


why do you not look it up before you make a fool out of yourself. History of Art | Art and Religion (sessions.edu)   


I'm an artist I used to teach Art you ridiculous  troll.



As for music, it is as old as humanity itself, and early humanity lived upon the belief of gods, and their music was to the gods for appeasement, food, and so on;

Music came about as a means of social cohesion you troll ......and so forth and so on .......


 i could post links for that, but since you would not even agree to the link on art,

Your link to Art is a sales pitch to an online art course you troll 

 why should i bother. 

Yet here you are.


How about the pyramids, great architecture achievements, burial chambers for the kings to go to the after life

All built and down to strictly religion according to you ?....LOL


. want more? 

No please don't bother I can only read so much of your stuff from your alternative history sites , but hey thanks all the same .

maxx

  The earliest musical instrument was the neolithic flute. Everything was based upon the gods that they believed in. They played music for the gods. It began as ritual behavior.  As for the pyramids, no, not by me, but by Egyptian records.  ever read the Egyptian book of the dead? of course not. Those pyramids were built for the Pharos journey to the after life. anyone knows this. Duh.  Pyramids of Giza | National Geographic  @Dee i really can not believe you are so lacking of intellect to the point you refuse to accept something with evidence just because it goes against your beliefs. So you are into art; so what?  What does that have to do with ancient humans and their paintings on the cave walls; in which is the first type of art, and in which, were drawn to call up spirits to ensure success for the hunt. 

Dee

@maxx

you are full of crap little man. dumb.

Says Maxx the convicteed pedo.........lock your kids up........

  The earliest musical instrument was the neolithic flute.

Was it? Prove it?

 Everything was based upon the gods that they believed in.

Prove it?


 They played music for the gods.

Who are they? Prove it?


As for the pyramids, no, not by me, but by Egyptian records.

Say what exactly?


  ever read the Egyptian book of the dead?

No, just bet you didn't either.


 of course not.

Sorry I don't pretend to read books I never have , this seems to upset you greatly ever ask yourself why?


Those pyramids were built for the Pharos journey to the after life.

And?


 anyone knows this.

And?


Duh

Duh 

. troll.
Pedo 

maxx

id -io-t. that's all you are and you don't even realize it. all you do is trill. No where in your reply did you prove that religion did not give us  many things. all you did is flap your mouth and say nothing. wow , wow a great contributor you are to this site.  You refuse to acknowledge links, evidence and everything else. Mant years ago archeologists found a backwoods tribe of people who had no contact with the outside world. One of the things that they did was ritual chants. do you know what chanting is? A precursor to singing. They were chanting to the gods, while banging on animal skin drums. Music. Of course you would not believe it. You done forgotten what i first stated. Religion has given us many things, including music, art,  architecture, calendars and so on. You can deny it all you want. So what. All you are going to do is return with the same old flippant reply that means nothing. Its why no one wants to debate with a loser like you. Now come on back little man with your sophomoric reply and pretend you won. go troll else where. Why don't you actually debate for a change? @Dee

Dee

@maxx


id -io-t.

Please leave your mother out of this she did her best .......and failed.

 that's all you are and you don't even realize it.

All because I  keep correcting you , I see it as a charity.


 all you do is trill

So do birds do you hate birds trilling ?

. No where in your reply did you prove that religion did not give us many things.

But you never asked me to prove what I never said , religion is a belief system how does it give you something?


all you did is flap your mouth and say nothing

So you're replying to nothing ? How's that work?

. wow , wow a great contributor you are to this site.

 Thank you, stop stating the obvious. 

 You refuse to acknowledge links,

You never posted any except to a link that promoted an online art course.

evidence and everything else.

What evidence? Whats " everything else"?


 Mant years ago archeologists found a backwoods tribe of people who had no contact with the outside world

Your family was it? What were the archaeologists names? ( watch Maxx refuse to answer) , what was the name of the tribe?( watch Maxx refuse to answer) 


. One of the things that they did was ritual chants. do you know what chanting is

The archaeologyits chanted right ....and?  I think I know it  is babbling nonsense the way you keep doing?


? A precursor to singing.

Please don't sing, your normal mode of expression is enough punishment. 

They were chanting to the gods, while banging on animal skin drums

Right , so archaeologists were chanting and singing to gods while banging on drums made of animal skins why?


. Music.

Oh they wanted to make music ......and?

Of course you would not believe it.

People make music all the time here why wouldn't I believe it?
 


You done fogot what I was saying 

I'm like everyone in that respect.


. Religion has given us all these things.

So a belief system gives us these things , do explain?

 You can deny it all you want.

Deny what?

 So what.

What?


 All you are going to do is return with the same old flippant reply that means nothing

Except that I beat you ........again.


. Its why no one wants to debate with a loser like you.

Yet heremyiu  are in an orderly line waiting to debate me. 

I'm a pedo 

I know Maxx but hey thanks I will tell the kids to hide.

maxx

go climb your tree and clean your fur you African pedo.  All you can do is insult people. little man behind the internet, thinks he is a man. im effing done with you. learn to debate, scum bag. @Dee

Dee

@maxx

Ha ,Ha Mad Maxx is that insane he hurls of a pile of insults then accuses me of insulting him...ROFLMAO....

I don't buy your thesis which was a group of archaeologists found a lost tribe and started chanting at them and then they sang to them while playing drums made of animal skins and they then got together and invented art .......ROFLMAO

maxx

yeah you can su*k my di** little black man @Dee

Dee

@maxx



yeah you can su*k my di** little black man 



Ah you hate blacks as well , well your mother and father were racists as well so the apple never falls far from the tree.

Ha ,Ha Mad Maxx is that insane he hurls of a pile of insults then accuses me of insulting him...ROFLMAO....

I don't buy your thesis which was a group of archaeologists found a lost tribe and started chanting at them and then they sang to them while playing drums made of animal skins and they then got together and invented art .......ROFLMAO

Dee

@maxx


You never gave us all  the name of these fictional chanting,  drum playing, singing archeologosts who apparently discovered a tribe of unamed Art lovers who invented modern civilisation, whys that? 

You made it up right ? How embarrassing for you...

just_sayin

@Dreamerjust_sayin said:

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

You brought up several lanes, and it would be difficult to respond to all. First the abortion argument is a red herring and false analogy. Covid is still mutating and anti-choice laws discriminate against low income people. Anti-vaxxers appropriate civil rights language which conflates the issues, don't fall for it.

 As for other exemptions there are people with disabilities including severely immune compromised. This is a valid exemption. To call this bigotry is misusing the word.

Also, I find your arguments downright anti-vaxx. Not hard core bailey denier like germ theory deniers, but the more moderate motte version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

Just because someone doesn't die they could still be disabled, hospitalized, miss work, school, and long covid. 

The old tired backfire effect. Maybe churches will get louder, maybe they won't, but who cares. If people make an unreasonable response that is on them. I ask if religious institutions act as effective charity givers or enablers and exploiters of poverty?

"In many cities it is now illegal to feed the homeless. NPR's Rachel Martin talks to Robert Marbut, the man behind the push to make handing out food a crime, who favors getting people into programs."

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/09/362737965/consultant-on-homelessness-cities-enable-the-poor

I'm confused.  If the getting the vaccine protects you from COVID then how do people become disabled, miss work, school or get long COVID.  Either the vaccine is effective or it is not?  Which is your position?  If the person who becomes disabled, misses work, etc.  didn't get the shot, then it is on them, right?  If they did get the shot, then why are you blaming someone else?  

Again, if someone gets a religious exemption, that does not mean they do not have to do something else to show they are healthy.  I'm sure the school you attend has such policies as I mentioned earlier.  

Do you know who thinks that religious organizations and charities are more effective at focused services to help the poor than they are - the government.  For example - FEMA works with religious organizations because they know that these organizations can mobilize faster than they can after a earthquake, hurricane, etc. FEMA admits that religious organizations will arrive before they can.  

Almost half of all social aid is provided by religious organizations or people in the US.  I mentioned that 40 of the top 50 charitable organizations are religious.  But even the non-religious ones like the Red Cross and Habitat for Humanity get their money and volunteers from religious groups primarily.  

If you go out today notice how many religious groups are out helping people at Christmas.  You will see kettles with people from the Salvation Army ringing bells to help the poor.  You will see angel trees with Christmas wish lists for children who are poor or whose parents are in prison run by religious groups.  You may see Samaritan purse shoe boxes where gifts for poor children in 3rd world countries are sent - who are also able to go to school as part of these religious programs.  In fact US religious donations provide more aid for 3rd world countries than the US government gives every year.  How many atheist groups will be out helping the poor today?  Can you even name one?

You see religious people as the enemy because you see them disagreeing with your politic views.  Your religion, ie - leftist politics, tells you it is OK to hate those who disagree with you.  Most of the Christians I know would not feel the need to reciprocate that hate.  Their belief system tells them to love those who hate them instead.  

When someone of faith points out that is is unjust to discriminate or show favoritism to someone, because the Bible says that:

Those who show favoritism aren't good; - Proverbs 28:21
But if you show favoritism, you sin  - James 2:9
For God does not show favoritism. - Romans 2:11
Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly - Lev. 19:15

since this is against your belief system of discriminating against someone because of their race and favoring other races in college admissions, hiring, promotions, benefits, grants, scholarships, and contracts, it makes you feel that they should be silenced for their support of a non-partial judicial system.  That doesn't mean they are evil and that you should hate them.  You can always try and convince them that the racism you support is good racism.  

Just because some people of faith believe we should protect rather than kill innocent unborn babies doesn't mean you should hate them.  In the same way that you genuinely believe that  the baby killing you support is good baby killing, these people of faith believe that protecting the lives of innocent human beings is good.  Instead of hate, engage in conversations with them. 

@Dreamer

I noticed that you didn't address the points I made about those getting religious exemptions still having to show they don't have COVID to go to work or school. I noticed you didn't respond to the observation about all the social good that religion does and how the government is dependent upon it.  I also noticed how you ran away from the fact that atheists are statistically much more selfish and less likely to volunteer their time or money to help those in need.  i know you can't have been busy helping collect presents to give to poor children at Christmas because that is what people of faith do.  When are you going to respond to these points?

Dreamer

@just_sayin

Depends upon the work / school with covid-19 testing. Your statement is an oversimplification. Many have extremely lax honor systems. If your vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask. The result is unvaccinated people don't wear masks.

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

@just_sayin

Depends upon the work / school with covid-19 testing. Your statement is an oversimplification. Many have extremely lax honor systems. If your vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask. The result is unvaccinated people don't wear masks.

I guess my question is why should religious people lose their privilege, if schools and business are lax in their policies?  That to me seems to be punishing the wrong person.  People I know who had religious exemptions were willing to go through all kinds of hoops to maintain that exemption.  I don't think it is fair to blame religious people if a school doesn't have a COVID policy that addresses exemptions.  

maxx

(PDF) Cave art and the theory of art: The origins of the religious interpretation of palaeolithic graphic expression (researchgate.net)  @Dee ; Chanting | Encyclopedia.com    Rhythmic Chanting and Mystical States across Traditions - PMC (nih.gov)    Architecture - Religious, Sacred, Temples | Britannica

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@maxx

As usual Maxx who cannot defend his ridiculous assertions try to get someone else's opinion on the matter without even reading what this " expert" says , the opening of his piece totally rubbishes your claim .......We analyse the relationship between the explanations that were given of the ‘primitive’ mentality in the second half of the nineteenth century and the birth of the religious interpretations of Palaeolithic art and we try to show how this union does not express a direct cause–effect relationship.........

This is the part where you fly into a rage,  fire of , insults  threaten and then try and put a different spin on what you think  your expert means by his agreement with me,

maxx

you know, over the years I've met many people similar to you and they all have mental issues without knowing it. However if one took the time to look, i think you can find many sites that will allow you to vent your frustrations and loneliness, instead of using a debate site to insult and ridicule. This is a debate site; why don't you attempt to use it as such? You don't understand how you appear on here to others.  It is not my fault that you can not accept evidence. Those were high quality links and you simply dismiss them, basically claiming you know more than they do. All you do is take a sentence or so out of context with the text and say that is the whole text.  Read it again. Tell me mister know it all; how did art originate?  You wont answer that now will you?@Dee

Dee

ARGUMENT TOPIC : MAXX POSTS UP A PIECE WHICH DISAGREES WITH THE POINTS HE THOUGHT HE WAS MAKING AND I PREDICTED CORRECTLY HIS RESPONSE WOULD BE TO FLY INTO A RAGE ..........AS USUAL IVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD .....AGAIN....


You know, over the years I've met many people similar to you and they all have mental issues without knowing it.

Well if their collective mental issues are helping to correct  ignorant , uneducated buffoons like you good for them and me.

However if one took the time to look, i think you can find many sites that will allow you to vent your frustrations and loneliness

So you're a constant user of these sites? Not exactly a good advertisement for these sites I'm thinking.


, instead of using a debate site to insult and ridicule

Every debate you accuse me of what you resort to every time all because you refuse to answer questions instead you fly into rages like a petulant child.


. This is a debate site; why don't you attempt to use it as such?

I'm the only one debating you go around in a constant rage because you think everyone should just accept your nonsensical rantings about subjects you know f-ck all about.

 You don't understand how you appear on here to others.

I'm meant to care what a site of mostly right wing Trumpsters think ?

 It is not my fault that you can not accept evidence

You just presented some that agreed with me so I do accept it the tragedy is your that st-pid you post up a piece that you  thought agreed with you and now you're doing your usual flying into a rage.


. Those were high quality links and you simply dismiss them

Your first was an online Art course you thought you could bluff with your second agrees totally with me so your point is?

, basically claiming you know more than they do.

But I do if not more, your last link agreed with me not you , you're a cabbage 

Tell me mister know it all; how did art originate


Maybe  archeologists found a lost tribe they couldn't name who danced then chanted , then played animal skin drums and invented politics , art , architecture etc,etc amazing the way they invented music first , that's your  theory right?

@maxx

maxx

so you refuse to answer the question. If art did not begin as in a religious manner, then how did it begin?  what's the name of these archeologists that found a lost tribe? dee thinks art began because some archeologists, who he can not name found a lost tribe somewhere.  Did these archeologists who you can't name find you there also?  dee says archeologists found him in the jungles of south america and put him on a debate site to make a better monkey out of him.   We can continue in this venue all you want dee, but what is the point? to see who can out insult the other? Is that your idea of a debate? Act your age. @Dee

Dee

@maxx


so you refuse to answer the question. If art did not begin as in a religious manner, then how did it begin? 

I offered no theories on the origins of Art you did  , now you're deflecting because the piece you posted as evidence agreed with me not you, (burden of proof as usual) is still with you .....ZING 

Your unproven claim remains ......are you not aware religion has given us art, music, our calendars, architecture, politics, probably a major influence on writing, and a host of other things that we take for granted today


The burden of proof is still with you , even your own sources agreed with me ...,you lose .....again.


 what's the name of these archeologists that found a lost tribe?

You're the one who  said it not me .........

..Mant years ago archeologists found a backwoods tribe of people who had no contact with the outside world. One of the things that they did was ritual chants. do you know what chanting is? A precursor to singing. They were chanting to the gods, while banging on animal skin drums. Music. Of course you would not believe it


There you go and you said I wouldn't believe it , I don't nor do you yet you typed it ....ZING 


 dee thinks art began because some archeologists, who he can not name found a lost tribe somewhere.

No , you think that as your words clearly illustrate,......

mant years ago archeologists found a backwoods tribe of people who had no contact with the outside world. One of the things that they did was ritual chants. do you know what chanting is? A precursor to singing. They were chanting to the gods, while banging on animal skin drums. Music. Of course you would not believe it


 You lose yet again Maxx I keep doing what I said to you from our first encounter which was   " I will beat you using your own arguments against you " ....I've just done it again


It's nearly Christmas I tell you what I will do I will  get blind drunk smoke some weed and let you debate on your strongest topic and I bet as usual I can beat you with my first post , watch Maxx run to his safe place.



 

maxx

it is not my post so i have no burden of proof. you claimed that my statements were wrong and not only did you say how, but refuse to offer any different ideas. The links do agree with me, you simply took one line out of the link. Ancient cave drawings were the first form of drawings, art. they believed it animal spirits so the paintings on the wall were religious in there nature. Are you not intelligence to understand the link/ or smart enough to give alternative theories on how art began? If you are then do so, instead of saying no.  @Dee

Dee

@maxx


it is not my post so i have no burden of proof

Yes but you made a claim you cretin Seriously Maxx you're that st-pid you post up a link that supports me not you then you admit your own post isn't worth defending,  ROFLMAO 


. you claimed that my statements were wrong and not only did you say how, but refuse to offer any different ideas.

Incorrect I laughed at your nonsense I asked you to prove your assertions you tried but your link agreed with me not you.


The links do agree with me, you simply took one line out of the link.

Prove it? The one line is imported because it disputes your fabricated narrative for which you have zero evidence.

Ancient cave drawings were the first form of drawings, art. they believed it animal spirits so the paintings on the wall were religious in there nature.

How do you know they were the first? How do you know what they believed?  Who did they tell that their paintings were religious? 

What was the name of this religion?


Are you not intelligence to understand the link/ or smart enough to give alternative theories on how art began?

Maxx asks  " are you not intelligence "  dear oh dear ...I .understood the link it supports me not you , the burden of proof is with you to prove your gibberish , you cannot which is why you're running.


If you are then do so, instead of saying no

I told you in onesentence 3 posts ago how and why but as usual as pointed  out by every member who has ever debated you all you  ever do  is totally ignore every point made and keep repeating your Maxx style gibberish.

maxx

ok dee, fine. you proved you are not here to debate. everyone knows it; just on here to strut and pretend' the resident troll; i guess we can use a pet monkey on this site. You failed to answer even one of my questions; i will give you one more chance and then you can go monkey around with the other debaters. If art did not begin because of ancient religious beliefs; then in your opinion, how did art begin? I am sure that even you can formulate some sort of hypothesis .  Ancient Cave Art Strengthens Evidence for the Image of God - Reasons to Believe  @Dee

Dee

@maxx

ARGUMENT  TOPIC: RELIGIOUS NUT MAXX ASKS ME FOR DONATION TO HIS CHURCH AFTER POSTING UP THE CHURCHES HORSE C-AP ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF ART  

Is there anyone on this site that isn't an American religious nut ? I know of only 2 who aren't. 

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@Dee ;TO HIS CHURCH AFTER POSTING UP THE CHURCHES HORSE C-AP 

Its all right to use the word crap for example an example is I quite often use the word when I post to the 2 resident lie boys. But as a cheap skate you will also find that you use 1 less key stroke and it will cut your re fresh time and energy use down on your expensive computer which is still costing you more and more.

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