Why do right wingers hate pregnant women??

just_sayin

jack said:

Hello:

An Ohio woman who suffered a miscarriage and left the nonviable fetus at home was criminally charged by the Warren Police Department upon advice from the Womb Squad attachment of the Warren City Prosecutor’s Office.

That a woman can be prosecuted when their pregnancy ends – whether by abortion or miscarriage, is NUTS.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/11/us/brittany-watts-miscarriage-no-criminal-charges/index.html

excon

The woman abandoned her newborn child who was still alive???!!!!  And you wonder why she was prosecuted??

How dishonest of you Jack.  The woman wasn't even pregnant anymore.  And that's just the point, the Democrats want to kill the baby inside the pregnant woman.  The real question is why is it just to kill an innocent human life?  Answer - it isn't just.

Now I'm sure Democrats will argue that the baby killing that they support is good baby killing.  The only problem with that argument is that IT IS BABY KILLING!!!!!!

MichaelElpers

@jack

Maybe get your story straight a little. The charge had nothing to do with abortion/miscarriage.  It was about thr handling of a corpse.

"November preliminary hearing the issue wasn’t about how or when the child died, it was “the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up the toilet, left in that toilet and (Watts) went on her day,” according to footage"

jack

just_sayin said:

The woman abandoned her newborn child who was still alive???!!!!  And you wonder why she was prosecuted??

How dishonest of you Jack.  The woman wasn't even pregnant anymore. 

Hello just:

Nahh.  The fetus was as dead as a door nail.  How dishonest of you?

An Ohio woman who had sought treatment at a hospital before suffering a miscarriage and passing her nonviable fetus in her bathroom now faces a criminal charge, her attorney told CNN.

Brittany Watts, 33, of Warren, has been charged with felony abuse of a corpse, Trumbull County court records show.

“Ms. Watts suffered a tragic and dangerous miscarriage that jeopardized her own life. Rather than focusing on healing physically and emotionally, she was arrested and charged with a felony,” her attorney, Traci Timko, told CNN in an email.

“Ms. Watts’ case is pending before the Trumbull County Grand Jury. I have advised her not to speak publicly until the criminal matter has resolved.”

Though a coroner’s office report said the fetus was not viable and had died in the womb, Watts’ case highlights the extent to which prosecutors can charge a woman whose pregnancy has ended – whether by abortion or miscarriage.

excon

Openminded

@jack @just_sayin @MichaelEllpers

If I were you Jack, I wouldn´t invest any time with the two debaters here. Their ignorance and disrespect of women is a reminder of just why America is heading toward facism. 

jack

Openminded said:

I wouldn´t invest any time with the two debaters here. Their ignorance and disrespect of women is a reminder of just why America is heading toward facism. 

Hello again, O:

My job here is not to CONVINCE them, but to EXPOSE them.

excon

Openminded

Argument Topic: My job here is not to CONVINCE them, but to EXPOSE them.

@Jack

I hear ya and I may just join you.
Getting tired of the ugly.

MichaelElpers

@Openminded ;

Maybe you can quote an example of me being disrespectful towards women.  Or an example of ignorance.

My argument here quoted the article jack posted.

Dont debate opposing arguments seems pretty facist to me.  In addition, I want a smaller government, unlike the left which tries to federalize every issue.

Factfinder

@Openminded

This is one of those issues where hysterics rule a certain mindset. All anyone has to do is read the link @jack used in his straw man attack to know it was a straw man. The supreme court decision doesn't ban abortion. It put it back where it belongs, in the hands of the people to decide in their own states. Why would you be against that? 

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

The woman abandoned her newborn child who was still alive???!!!!  And you wonder why she was prosecuted??

How dishonest of you Jack.  The woman wasn't even pregnant anymore. 

Hello just:

Nahh.  The fetus was as dead as a door nail.  How dishonest of you?

An Ohio woman who had sought treatment at a hospital before suffering a miscarriage and passing her nonviable fetus in her bathroom now faces a criminal charge, her attorney told CNN.

Brittany Watts, 33, of Warren, has been charged with felony abuse of a corpse, Trumbull County court records show.

“Ms. Watts suffered a tragic and dangerous miscarriage that jeopardized her own life. Rather than focusing on healing physically and emotionally, she was arrested and charged with a felony,” her attorney, Traci Timko, told CNN in an email.

“Ms. Watts’ case is pending before the Trumbull County Grand Jury. I have advised her not to speak publicly until the criminal matter has resolved.”

Though a coroner’s office report said the fetus was not viable and had died in the womb, Watts’ case highlights the extent to which prosecutors can charge a woman whose pregnancy has ended – whether by abortion or miscarriage.

excon

Thanks for clarifying.  So  you are wondering why a woman who put a dead baby in a toilet was charged?????  I got to wonder about your sense of what is appropriate to do with dead human remains is. LOL

Factfinder

@just_sayin

I'm pretty sure the appropriateness is depended on party affiliation since there was no concern for that act in the strawman post.

John_C_87

@Factfinder

This is one of those issues where hysterics rule a certain mindset. All anyone has to do is read the link @jack used in his straw man attack to know it was a straw man. The supreme court decision doesn't ban abortion. It put it back where it belongs, in the hands of the people to decide in their own states. Why would you be against that? 

The Supreme court describes an opinion without connection to established justice that there is no United States Constitutional right to judicial privacy within the United States Constitution to support abortion rights. This is true as the word is what violates judicial privacy as it is the child who is to kill the mother and courts have no case against the criminal, even if the evidence is overwhelming such in the Texas matter. Note that there are many States now participating in a malpractice of law, each of these state are violating they own constitutions. Keep in mind that a States Constitution may not be an Article of United States Constitutional Right written based on a declaration of Independence from which the Federal House of Representatives that has failed for 50 years to establish women as independent for English criminal law. As the first step to equality under law in America. Some of these imported laws are very deeply legislated in religious bias, the point of common defense toward a general welfare of all women is that female specific amputation is an independent American legislation title free of foreign criminal law and is based on United State of all women. 

A woman is saddled with the burden of United States Constitutional posterity even before she has successfully placed herself under its full protection by American standards of liberty and justice for all.  That any executive officer and officers of the House of Representatives while under oath to uphold and defend United States Constitution to allow such criminal legislation of described murder women with already dead babies is about the worst case there is to justify their 2nd amendment right. The irony here is that a group of people, who are by United State held in constitution broken from all political bands as a republican are preserving a United States Constitutional right of the child who cannot be criminally charged and already has immunity for the criminal law they break as a United State of law in all colonies and states of law in America. The reminder to the Supreme Court is that they are a scale of balance along with legal counsel and not the sole creators of United States Constitutional Right.

Putin

Because they have the balls to go up to you and demand that you sacrifice your seat on a bus as if they're entitled to it, and everyone bloody agreed with them because they whine so much that the masses think they're being genocided. The fact that they're pregnant might entitle them to something if they where bringing high IQ inovaters into society, but people with acceptable genetics rarely ride on a bus.

Barnardot

@Putin ;Because they have the balls to go up to you

Hay I really like your style there because you say it like it is.

But the realty is that when you analize it in the end you will notice that also the right wingers dont ride on buses either. For example the red neckers will ride a round in there Rams with the mat black paint and the spotlights on the roof and make jerky out of road kill.

Mean while on the buses you will get mainly the lefty guys who are social workers and are all called Nigel. They will all ways give up there seats because there gilt complexes will kick in.

MayCaesar

If the "right-wingers" hated pregnant women, why would they support policies increasing the amount of time the average woman spends being pregnant, therefore increasing the number of pregnant women in the world?

GiantMan

jack said:
Hello again, O:

My job here is not to CONVINCE them, but to EXPOSE them.

excon

, you just shared a fake story.  You are embarrassing yourself.

Barnardot

@MayCaesar ;If the "right-wingers" hated pregnant women, why would they support policies increasing the amount of time the average woman spends being pregnant, therefore increasing the number of pregnant women in the world?

Thats a good point that you pointed out there. And we have to get personal here because one of the reasons in realty is that when a woman is up the duff many right wingers feel that its wrong to do there wives. And it all goes back to Biblical times especially when it was strawberry week for women because they were locked in a room a way from the house until they were clean. 

John_C_87

If the "right-wingers" hated pregnant women, why would they support policies increasing the amount of time the average woman spends being pregnant, therefore increasing the number of pregnant women in the world?

Why, a massive drop in American posterity.    

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; Conservatives don't "hate" pregnant women but honor the life in the womb and believe that a woman does not possess a "right" to murder the child in her womb. In cases where the mother's life is in peril due the pregnancy, she should have the sole-responsibility to decide what is best for her life and that of the child within her but murdering a baby at any stage of gestation is wrong, morally, ethically when the child is viable and the mother's health is not in jeopardy. 

John_C_87

@RickeyHoltsclaw

The mother’s and child’s life are equally always at jeopardy during pregnancy, only the mother’s and child’s life are at jeopardy while “she “the Presadera is pregnant within any nation who claims ownership of posterity as a Congressional slave. It is by the assignment of the State of law in America and by the Federal Court all women are created, brought together as Presadera. Grievance: If abortion is the more perfect state of the union with established justice over Female Specific Amputation put it in writing, have the voters put it to vote while under oath of truth. Grievance: Does a vote on a matter of legal consequence hold merit or a state of the union with established justice more perfect. Put it in writing as the United States Constitutional Right it is claimed to be without the burdens of ratification. Write, matters of legal consequence are better connections to established justice when the voter is not bound by criminal law to tell the truth.

affidavit | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

Presadera - a woman who sits before united states Constitution by vote of the people or on behalf of all women.

Please state the type of "murder" in your grievance the voter is participating in?

The state of the union created with established justice as an undeclared united states constitutional right is established again without the burden of proper ratification by the states.It is only the female is protected from the accusation of murder by the inaccurate information provided by a grievance of crime and she would need to plea to be given this criminal right. This is a hidden procedural error used to create limited grounds for dismissal from criminal prosicution.

just_sayin

John_C_87 said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

The mother’s and child’s life are equally always at jeopardy during pregnancy, only the mother’s and child’s life are at jeopardy while “she “the Presadera is pregnant within any nation who claims ownership of posterity as a Congressional slave. It is by the assignment of the State of law in America and by the Federal Court all women are created, brought together as Presadera. Grievance: If abortion is the more perfect state of the union with established justice over Female Specific Amputation put it in writing, have the voters put it to vote while under oath of truth. Grievance: Does a vote on a matter of legal consequence hold merit or a state of the union with established justice more perfect. Put it in writing as the United States Constitutional Right it is claimed to be without the burdens of ratification. Write, matters of legal consequence are better connections to established justice when the voter is not bound by criminal law to tell the truth.

affidavit | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

Presadera - a woman who sits before united states Constitution by vote of the people or on behalf of all women.

Please state the type of "murder" in your grievance the voter is participating in?

The state of the union created with established justice as an undeclared united states constitutional right is established again without the burden of proper ratification by the states.It is only the female is protected from the accusation of murder by the inaccurate information provided by a grievance of crime and she would need to plea to be given this criminal right. This is a hidden procedural error used to create limited grounds for dismissal from criminal prosicution.

John, you are in your 60's, at least, and you were born in the US and speak English as your first language.  Please, please, please, write in a way that doesn't sound like you are mentally unstable.  You write sometimes like a normal person on some other debate websites.  You could do that here and more people would interact with you.  .  

RickeyHoltsclaw

@John_C_87 ; The child is considered "life" at conception and to stop that life through abortion is murder. The pregnant mother and the abortionist have no "right" to murder a child.

John_C_87

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I consider the child is alive at the creation of the egg fertilization only extends the age a life pasted its start, egg. RickeyHoltsclaw you and others creating a United States Constitutional write but are not sharing it in writing as what is required, as if it does not ever need to be ratified by the states in order to be a United States Constitutional Right. Instead, you are willing to settle and make deals for a less forms of attempts at justice with criminal law, the concern is that if a prociedual error is written into criminal law, or takes place accidently no women might be found ever guilty of the crime of abortion. To asses ability like with education can you write for anyone, for posterity, for any readers what United States Constitutional Right your create with others is? Executive officer #45, the full House of Representatives, plus our Federal Supreme court have describe a United States Constitutional right sending it to the States without placing it in writing to be witnessed yet never voted on for ratification? Quote: : “ describing it only as an opinion.”

So you believe in fighting for Civil Rights and Equality.....

I do not fight. I stand righteous in the belief every man has a GOD given Right to knock on Heaven’s door...I gave Civil common defense to the general welfare as female specific amputation the three words achieve both without fighting.

Every child deserves the right to life, without it all other rights are meaningless.

It is funny you would say this the American Declaration of Independence states every boy deserves the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@John_C_87 ;  It would be wise to call your medical insurance and check on the copay for a psychological examination. The right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights granted by our Creator, not man.

John_C_87

@just_sayin
 
You am me move to the beat of a different drum...

Write in a way that doesn't sound like you are mentally unstable...
My Doctor would say stay in your pay grade. John Denver would say "Rockey Mountian High."

How do know every one is high areound a camp fire?.
You built the fire at 10,000 feet.

John_C_87

@RickeyHoltsclaw

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are ( instituted among Men), deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Text of the Declaration of Independence | Declaration Resources Project (harvard.edu)

It would be wise to call your medical insurance and check on the copay for a psychological examination. The right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights granted by our Creator, not man.
It should be known you are breaking a state of union with the constitutional right of the 1st Amendment in your translation of the Declaration of Independence. I took the liberty to place parentheses around the literal writing where it states that men institute these rights by government. Addressing government formed form the independence of British law as the creator of men as a single united state of President by governing set within constitutional right not interpretations of foreign or domestic criminal law.

Baby Face Nelson
Looks alone are not a connection to established justice to describe the very young as incapable of the use of lethal force directed against a women.

Baby Face Nelson | Crimes & Death | Britannica

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
Text of the Declaration of Independence | Declaration Resources Project (harvard.edu)

RickeyHoltsclaw

Every human being possesses the divine "rights" to "life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness." Even you.

John_C_87

Girls are not born women.......
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are truths that can be held as self-evident truths in a declaration of Independence.

Every human being possesses the divine "rights" to "life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness." Even you.

When what you say is not the whole truth then it is not by GOD devine. The whole truth is every human being can possesses the United State right to Life, liberty. Lethal force, and the pursuit of happiness. Not every person places the Consitutional rights the create in writing to be judge, some people have learned the trick of hiding constitutional right in ciminal law. In most cases it is due to the truth the laws are not right at all an are based oin perjury. I am more than will to provide a line up with 10 pictures in which 1 out of 9 pictures line up's would include a pre-born who applied lethal force killing its mother.

A real Feminist would have read the Declaration of Independence and learned it was by the actions of women a female had not been able to find the ability to create United States Constitutional Right. I am sorry, I truly am, a woman has been elected as President of some kind she is by United States Constitutional Right held as Presadera not Vice President, a crime has been committed and it is time to evaluate damages. 

A true Presadera unites all women by vote.

A true Presadera unites all women feminist and non-feminist, religious women with non-religious women.

A true Presadera does not mean a woman who has had sexual relationship or non it means she is held before Constitution as a both a united State and fact as truth.

just_sayin

John_C_87 said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I consider the child is alive at the creation of the egg fertilization only extends the age a life pasted its start, egg. RickeyHoltsclaw you and others creating a United States Constitutional write but are not sharing it in writing as what is required, as if it does not ever need to be ratified by the states in order to be a United States Constitutional Right. Instead, you are willing to settle and make deals for a less forms of attempts at justice with criminal law, the concern is that if a prociedual error is written into criminal law, or takes place accidently no women might be found ever guilty of the crime of abortion. To asses ability like with education can you write for anyone, for posterity, for any readers what United States Constitutional Right your create with others is? Executive officer #45, the full House of Representatives, plus our Federal Supreme court have describe a United States Constitutional right sending it to the States without placing it in writing to be witnessed yet never voted on for ratification? Quote: : “ describing it only as an opinion.”

So you believe in fighting for Civil Rights and Equality.....

I do not fight. I stand righteous in the belief every man has a GOD given Right to knock on Heaven’s door...I gave Civil common defense to the general welfare as female specific amputation the three words achieve both without fighting.

Every child deserves the right to life, without it all other rights are meaningless.

It is funny you would say this the American Declaration of Independence states every boy deserves the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

John, I try to just let you do you your thing, even though I think it would be better for you to just respond like the normal person you are.  I do have to point out your obvious mistake here though.  The reason the right to life is not a constitutional right was because it was deemed an unalienable right given by God, according to the founding fathers (try reading the Declaration of Independence). 

John_C_87

@just_sayin

-------------> I do have to point out your obvious mistake here though. <-----------  (That is not my obvious mistake, my obvious mistake is that one person cannot create a perfect state of the union with established justice.) ---------->   The reason the right to life is not a constitutional right was because it was deemed an unalienable right given by God, according to the founding fathers. <-------------------- ( No, the more perfect union is that life is a large United State that can be held as a United States Constitutional Right.) A person is held impeached for failing the abilities of preservation, protection, service of the American Constitution. It is not a Crime to fail, it is not a race with destination to win.

------->   We hold these Truths to be self-evident,<-------- ( I do not see it is god who holds the truths as self-evident)  that --------------> all Men are created equal,<-------------------- ( All men are created equal by ability to hold truth) that ------------> they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men,<------------------- ( a man is created form a boy and right in limiting common factor among men)  deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.


WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for --------------->  one People to dissolve the Political Bands <---------------- ( one person can make a difference changing political bands with legal descriptions of right) which have connected them with another, ( that in past have built states of the union) and -----------------> to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, <------------------- (to hold earths truths and equal gathering point criminal intent of earth and earths ultimate truth find them inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.) a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.( High and special respect to the ideas of the people asks that the reason to leave be put in writing, with no regard to how complex or how simple a truth may be)

Text of the Declaration of Independence | Declaration Resources Project (harvard.edu)

As a United State Just_sayin we are not right or wrong. We are perfect or more perfect.      " Deinceps recta locus iter."