Is Fox News a death cult?

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

I've been wondering, has Fox News become a killer of American people?

Goessmann Picard Pinna 2022 Shows that Fox News causes covid-19 vaccine hesitancy.

Fox News is the most watched news channel for a reason. It is an alternative to most of the other media outlets.   While its POV shows like Hannity are definitely right leaning, its news division (morning news excluded as it is very right wing) is much more balanced (I'm thinking of Bret Baier) than you will find at the former DNC adviser, George Stephanopoulos' ABC News, and certainly more objective than anything you will see on CNN and MSNBC (is that still in existence?).  

Bret Baier's interview with Trump was brutal for Trump.  He hammered Trump on why so few people that Trump appointed support him now, and why if he is a good leader, he trashes so many of his ex-appointed persons after they leave. If they are so bad, then why did Trump appoint them?  It was great interview.  Instead this past week we had ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC all circle the wagons and tell us how Biden is 'sharp', but they still edited his speeches mid-sentence hundreds of times to hide that the man struggles to finish sentences.   

Last year, Fox's revenues and viewership increased.  The others are having to fire their workers.  People can see the bias - its expressed in the stories chosen, the stories not chosen, and in the words used to describe issues.  

MayCaesar

The paper in question (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20350-0) only finds that Fox News consumption is associated with lower vaccination rates. Nowhere in the paper do the authors say that "Fox News causes covid-19 vaccine hesitancy". In fact, word "cause" is only used twice in the entire paper, in completely different contexts.

This is why you do not reference papers that you cannot read, @Dreamer. Do not make claims about things you do not understand.

Factfinder

@just_sayin

I had to agree. I mean I do agree, Fox is the only major player that allows for conservative values and the other alphabet channels are on the left. But I know you just couldn't live with 666 points LOL. Had to make it 667 for your sanity LOL   

Dreamer

This is why I don't argue with May. May's hyper-criticism of science has an overt conservative bias. From downplaying the harm of 2nd hand-smoke, climate change, and now Fox New's harm. All in a veneer of supposed critical thinking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-022-00770-9

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;Fox News is the most watched news channel for a reason. 

And that reason is that there are heaps of nits and half-brains in this world who enjoy watching that crap and enjoy it. McDonalds is probably the most popular restaurant and for the same reason. Nits and half brains dine there all the time because they cant or dont want to cook and cant afford descent food. The sort of factual and unbiased news that comes from that trash channel amounts to the amount of quality healthy food that comes out of McDonalds Zilch.

Barnardot

@Dreamer Fox News proberly does cause hesitancy. But if you look at the sort of people who watch that crap there all half brained and uneducated any way. If there not going to watch that trash channel there going to listen to extreme nonsense from any sort of source that pedals that sort of biased untrue false news information.

People who do the right thing and are educated arent even going to watch Pox News any way.

Factfinder

Dreamer said:

This is why I don't argue with May. May's hyper-criticism of science has an overt conservative bias. From downplaying the harm of 2nd hand-smoke, climate change, and now Fox New's harm. All in a veneer of supposed critical thinking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-022-00770-9

That just sounds like a cop out. You want to criticize Fox news, great. Is its reporting leaning right? Yes. Does that mean all conservatives watch it? No. I don't believe May does and I myself don't. I've criticized it myself for catering to the religious right. But when you complain about the 'harm' it's doing that opens the door to question whether it's the 'harm' you don't like about fox, or is it really their political stance? Because if it is the 'harm' then it would be legitimate to ask you if that's so why haven't you included cnn, say? They caused people great 'harm', death even in their purposeful misreporting of the antifa/blm riots; calling them peaceful demonstrations as fires and bricks being tossed were in the background. I think it's unwise to trust any news source based on party affiliation. That's why people should fact check at least a couple ways before they can glean raw truisms from sources. For instance if Fox does runs a story on covid 19 vaccines one place to check out what they report would be here... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Bogan

The entire European world is going right wing for a very good reason, the left has been in charge for decades now and they have done a wonderful job of ruining their own counties with their support for open borders, multiculturalism, criminal behaviour, attacks on free speech, attacks on women's rights, and their advocacy for the AGW religious cult.     It took a while for these id-iotic policies to come home to roost, but one thing is obvious.   The more Left a society has become, the higher the taxes, the more public servants, the more bankrupt, the lower the student test scores, and the less safe it has become.     In addition, people just get sick of being lied to.     The legacy press is now firmly in the camp of the super rich even though it pretends to be the champions of the very poor.   They have fooled most of the people for most of the time, but thy can not fool all of the people all of the time.    Except for Dreamer and Openminded, of course.   

jack

Bogan said:

The entire European world is going right wing for a very good reason,

Hello Bogan:

And, Hitler would be very proud..

excon

Bogan

@jack ;    And, Hitler would be very proud..

Funny you should say that.    I lived through a time when Jewish commies like you accused Ronald Reagan, George Bush snr,  George Bush Jnr. and now Donald Trump of being Hitler.     But you never say that Putin, Ji Jinpeng, Saddam Hussein, Assad, HAMAS, The Taliban, ISIS, or the Ayatollahs are Hitler?   Please explain? 

MayCaesar

Dreamer said:

This is why I don't argue with May. May's hyper-criticism of science has an overt conservative bias. From downplaying the harm of 2nd hand-smoke, climate change, and now Fox New's harm. All in a veneer of supposed critical thinking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-022-00770-9

My bias is against false claims, as I just demonstrated yours was. As usual, you have nothing to say in defense of your position when someone points out its erroneousness: you just go after the critic's character instead. "Conservative bias"... Buddy, I was publicly speaking against conservatism when you were learning how to spell. I am an agent of chaos: opposing senseless norms and traditions is in my bones.

I do that logically, however. I do not scoop down to the level of posting sensationalist headlines and putting words into scientists' mouths. Those who do, indeed, better not argue with me: they can only lose from the interaction.

Factfinder said:

That just sounds like a cop out. You want to criticize Fox news, great. Is its reporting leaning right? Yes. Does that mean all conservatives watch it? No. I don't believe May does and I myself don't. I've criticized it myself for catering to the religious right. But when you complain about the 'harm' it's doing that opens the door to question whether it's the 'harm' you don't like about fox, or is it really their political stance? Because if it is the 'harm' then it would be legitimate to ask you if that's so why haven't you included cnn, say? They caused people great 'harm', death even in their purposeful misreporting of the antifa/blm riots; calling them peaceful demonstrations as fires and bricks being tossed were in the background. I think it's unwise to trust any news source based on party affiliation. That's why people should fact check at least a couple ways before they can glean raw truisms from sources. For instance if Fox does runs a story on covid 19 vaccines one place to check out what they report would be here... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I, in fact, have criticized Fox News for its sensationalism and systematic "pants on fire" lies here before. But the way these people's brain works is, if you said anything in defense of an organization like this - even if you were just pointing out the logical error in someone's reasoning - then you must be on its side in general. They can only think in terms of tribes: "Are you with us, or against us?"

Factfinder

@MayCaesar

I, in fact, have criticized Fox News for its sensationalism and systematic "pants on fire" lies here before. But the way these people's brain works is, if you said anything in defense of an organization like this - even if you were just pointing out the logical error in someone's reasoning - then you must be on its side in general. They can only think in terms of tribes: "Are you with us, or against us?"

I agree. And the funny thing is you have shared your personal experience on this site before the dangers of always looking left in having been raised under extreme socialism. So when you criticize the right that should mean something. That's about as objective one can get. Well, unless you're dealing with severe tribal mentalities like you say.  

MayCaesar

@Factfinder

Absolutely. Humans make the biggest mistakes in their lives when they think that a certain goal is so important, all other considerations can temporarily be thrown out the window. "Political threat X is so significant, we are justified to violate all of our principles in order to stop it!", "My relationship is so important, I should conjure a web of lies so as to not let event Y destroy it!", "My son's future is such a priority for me, I am willing to make his life a living hell so he grows up a disciplined and responsible man!" Whenever we become laser-focused on something and start seeing everything else as fuzzy shapes, we are on the way to stepping on a bear trap.

If nothing else, logic is a good grounding principle. No matter how we feel about a particular group of people or organization, sticking to facts - no matter how inconvenient - is unlikely to lead us astray.

jack

Bogan said:

@jack ;    And, Hitler would be very proud..

Funny you should say that.    I lived through a time when Jewish commies like you accused Ronald Reagan, George Bush snr,  George Bush Jnr. and now Donald Trump of being Hitler.  

Hello B: 

Couple things..  I'm NOT a Jewish commie..  I'm a PROUD military vet.  Did you serve?  I DIDN'T think so.  I said NONE of the things you accuse me of..  But, you, like Trump, don't mind lying when it suits your purpose..

But, the thing that makes Trump like Hitler, is he WANTS to WIPE out a whole section of humanity..  How do you miss that??

excon

Bogan

@jack ;   But, the thing that makes Trump like Hitler, is he WANTS to WIPE out a whole section of humanity..  How do you miss that??

I did miss it.   Whom does he want to wipe out?  

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Dreamer ; No, Fox News, NewsMax, these are not a cult of death but CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, these are State-Run media outlets who whore themselves to the demonically controlled Democrat-Progressive-Socialist-Marxist Party of the United States and these lie, obfuscate, recite the Democrat talking points with extreme loyalty as they fight and clamor to murder babies in the womb; promote LGBTQIA++ perversion onto our families and children and in our places of work and worship and education; fight for open borders that's destroying our Nation; fight for Bidenomics that killing our economy; fight for Islam/Palestine while hating Jews and Israelite's and Christians; fighting for conservative censorship on social media; fully support a corrupted DOJ and Executive Branch...whore themselves to Ukraine corruption and money laundering and support the Biden Crime Family Syndicate...

Dreamer

@RickeyHoltsclaw

That's a firehose of falsehoods, a communist technique. There is not point arguing with someone who is far right. DNFTT.

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

That's a firehose of falsehoods, a communist technique. There is not point arguing with someone who is far right. DNFTT.

Just this week CBS news fired Catherine Herridge who has been known to do stories about Democrats that Democrats don't want done.  Her computer was once illegally hacked by someone within Obama's FBI.  The illegal hack was confirmed.  CBS took the unprecedented step of taking her computer and files from her so she could not report on unflattering Democrat activities.  Even the news union is speaking out on her behalf.  Tell me @Dreamer, is it communist like to illegally use governmental agencies to try and get stories you don't like erased from the hard drive of reporters?  Is it communist like to steal someone's computer and files because they contain facts about your party that you don't want revealed in an election year?  

Once again I ask you to consider if you are really on the side of truth or justice, or do you just tell yourself that you are, as you excuse the racism, sexism, and criminal activity done by your party and their news propagandists?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Dreamer said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

That's a firehose of falsehoods, a communist technique. There is not point arguing with someone who is far right. DNFTT.

@Dreamer ;  The "Right" "Conservative" "Christian" possesses and honors the ONLY sustainable norms, mores, values, that will under gird an American society that is Godly, healthy, profitable, safe, financially stable, and prepared for our posterity to carry forward with dignity. Currently, Progressives-Democrats are methodically destroying America's Constitutional Republic through abortion-LGBTQ perversion-tyrannical attacks on Christianity-conservative political candidates-America's borders-Israel-the family-criminal justice; energy production; this, via a weaponized DOJ and Executive Branch that more closely resembles tactics used by Putin and Xi than leaders of a Constitutional Republic founded by "We the People."

Bogan

Dreamer

The problem goes beyond Fox News we have a disinformation industry to deal with.

"Click the orange button, his wife says, “to join in the fight for health freedom” — or more specifically, to pay $199 to $499 for the Bollingers’ video series, “The Truth About Vaccines 2020.”"

"According to the Bollingers, there is big money involved. They have said that they have sold tens of millions of dollars of products through various ventures and paid out $12 million to affiliates. Tens of thousands of people ponied up cash for an earlier version of their vaccine video series, they said."

https://fortune.com/2021/05/14/disinformation-media-vaccine-covid19/

I've heard of the attention economy, but that could be just click bait funny cat videos. Disinformation is far worse. Selling lies is very profitable. Who is so gullible to pay $199 or more for a video series?

just_sayin

Dreamer said:

The problem goes beyond Fox News we have a disinformation industry to deal with.

"Click the orange button, his wife says, “to join in the fight for health freedom” — or more specifically, to pay $199 to $499 for the Bollingers’ video series, “The Truth About Vaccines 2020.”"

"According to the Bollingers, there is big money involved. They have said that they have sold tens of millions of dollars of products through various ventures and paid out $12 million to affiliates. Tens of thousands of people ponied up cash for an earlier version of their vaccine video series, they said."

https://fortune.com/2021/05/14/disinformation-media-vaccine-covid19/

I've heard of the attention economy, but that could be just click bait funny cat videos. Disinformation is far worse. Selling lies is very profitable. Who is so gullible to pay $199 or more for a video series?

According to the Obama appointed IG, Horowitz's report, "the FBI and DOJ made "at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications."  17 major errors or omissions.  That's a lot of disinformation there to spread the false lie of Russian collusion.  

Remember the media's lie about the 'Muslim ban'  that wasn’t? Or the lie that the 2017 tax cuts were only for the “rich” despite studies showing 80 percent of the population benefitted? Or the lie that Trump put kids in cages, but then nothing when the head of the border patrol let it slip that it was actually Obama who built the cages?  Or the Ukrainian impeachment lie about Trump, when in actuality it was Biden who made a quid pro quo and even bragged that he did it. Or the media's lie that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation?  

@Dreamer, I got to agree with you that disinformation is a serious issue.  I'm just not sure that you recognize where the bulk of it is coming from.

Bogan

MayCaesar

Dreamer said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

That's a firehose of falsehoods, a communist technique. There is not point arguing with someone who is far right. DNFTT.

No, that is just a common media organization behavior. What is a communist technique is demonization of people with "incorrect" opinions so their arguments do not have to be engaged with.

Barnardot

@Dreamer @Bogan @just_sayin @MayCaeser

Its no wonder a lot of kids are growing up being angry and extreme and out of touch with realty when there folks follow that sort of low rent hog wash on TV and carry on about there half baked beliefs.