The problem is not religion (never was); it's faith!

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

If it were possible for humanity to work sufficiently to engender covenant with the Father, Messiah suffered and died needlessly. 

Bingo! If your god was what you say it was, it could have just commanded perfection in all ways in all realms of cognitive self awareness and it would be so. But it chose the path of pain and suffering, eternal damnation for not blindly accepting the bizarre and illogical self absorbed demand for worship. And you blindly submit. 

@Factfinder ;  Not true...Elohim is Love...He desires intimate relationship with both His angelic and human creation; therefore, free will, volition, are absolutely essential if intimacy and relationship with Elohim are to manifest with purity and authenticity. 

Elohim did not choose a path of suffering and pain and eternal damnation...Satan and mankind chose those paths....Elohim interceded Himself and gave Himself to provide humanity a Path of escape. It's not bizarre and illogical to the one who KNOWS Elohim with intimacy and trust Him completely...Elohim explains Himself and His eschatological purposes with great detail for the one willing and possessing the courage to pursue that Truth. You simply don't know Elohim; therefore, you cannot know His ways.

Sorry. Special pleading doesn't change the fact that your god chose, evil, pain, suffering, eternal damnation as amusing tools for forced compliance. He could have simply had an intimate relationship with whoever it created by instantly instilling everything it takes to be complete in a reciprocated in every since of the word relationship with all creation including the creator.  But it didn't and you blindly worship it. Oh the shame.  

@Factfinder ;  No special pleading due your spiritual ignorance. Elohim did not choose anything but a creation that is "very good." Man and Satan chose what we see today, not Elohim. Intimacy cannot be foreordained or coerced...it must be a work of the will, free will.

Shame on you for supporting and advocate the murder of babies in the womb by the millions; shame on YOU for advocated the mutilation of children's sexual organs in the name of LGBTQ perversion; shame on you for advocating Marxism and Darwinism in our schools; shame on you for destroying our Nation in the foolishness and ignorance of Progressivism and Atheism and Secular Humanism...shame on you...and the horrible people you advocate. You represent defilement and evil...

 

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

If it were possible for humanity to work sufficiently to engender covenant with the Father, Messiah suffered and died needlessly. 

Bingo! If your god was what you say it was, it could have just commanded perfection in all ways in all realms of cognitive self awareness and it would be so. But it chose the path of pain and suffering, eternal damnation for not blindly accepting the bizarre and illogical self absorbed demand for worship. And you blindly submit. 

@Factfinder ;  Not true...Elohim is Love...He desires intimate relationship with both His angelic and human creation; therefore, free will, volition, are absolutely essential if intimacy and relationship with Elohim are to manifest with purity and authenticity. 

Elohim did not choose a path of suffering and pain and eternal damnation...Satan and mankind chose those paths....Elohim interceded Himself and gave Himself to provide humanity a Path of escape. It's not bizarre and illogical to the one who KNOWS Elohim with intimacy and trust Him completely...Elohim explains Himself and His eschatological purposes with great detail for the one willing and possessing the courage to pursue that Truth. You simply don't know Elohim; therefore, you cannot know His ways.

Sorry. Special pleading doesn't change the fact that your god chose, evil, pain, suffering, eternal damnation as amusing tools for forced compliance. He could have simply had an intimate relationship with whoever it created by instantly instilling everything it takes to be complete in a reciprocated in every since of the word relationship with all creation including the creator.  But it didn't and you blindly worship it. Oh the shame.  

@Factfinder ;  No special pleading due your spiritual ignorance. Elohim did not choose anything but a creation that is "very good." Man and Satan chose what we see today, not Elohim. Intimacy cannot be foreordained or coerced...it must be a work of the will, free will.

Shame on you for supporting and advocate the murder of babies in the womb by the millions; shame on YOU for advocated the mutilation of children's sexual organs in the name of LGBTQ perversion; shame on you for advocating Marxism and Darwinism in our schools; shame on you for destroying our Nation in the foolishness and ignorance of Progressivism and Atheism and Secular Humanism...shame on you...and the horrible people you advocate. You represent defilement and evil...

 

Of course not. The special pleading is due to your spiritual ignorance. God gave adam and satan brains of evil to serve gods own perverted narcissism. Worship me or else. That's your master. Your book admits the evil of your mistress...

Revelation:  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

God knew satan had no chance, or you are saying god was . Which is it?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

If it were possible for humanity to work sufficiently to engender covenant with the Father, Messiah suffered and died needlessly. 

Bingo! If your god was what you say it was, it could have just commanded perfection in all ways in all realms of cognitive self awareness and it would be so. But it chose the path of pain and suffering, eternal damnation for not blindly accepting the bizarre and illogical self absorbed demand for worship. And you blindly submit. 

@Factfinder ;  Not true...Elohim is Love...He desires intimate relationship with both His angelic and human creation; therefore, free will, volition, are absolutely essential if intimacy and relationship with Elohim are to manifest with purity and authenticity. 

Elohim did not choose a path of suffering and pain and eternal damnation...Satan and mankind chose those paths....Elohim interceded Himself and gave Himself to provide humanity a Path of escape. It's not bizarre and illogical to the one who KNOWS Elohim with intimacy and trust Him completely...Elohim explains Himself and His eschatological purposes with great detail for the one willing and possessing the courage to pursue that Truth. You simply don't know Elohim; therefore, you cannot know His ways.

Sorry. Special pleading doesn't change the fact that your god chose, evil, pain, suffering, eternal damnation as amusing tools for forced compliance. He could have simply had an intimate relationship with whoever it created by instantly instilling everything it takes to be complete in a reciprocated in every since of the word relationship with all creation including the creator.  But it didn't and you blindly worship it. Oh the shame.  

@Factfinder ;  No special pleading due your spiritual ignorance. Elohim did not choose anything but a creation that is "very good." Man and Satan chose what we see today, not Elohim. Intimacy cannot be foreordained or coerced...it must be a work of the will, free will.

Shame on you for supporting and advocate the murder of babies in the womb by the millions; shame on YOU for advocated the mutilation of children's sexual organs in the name of LGBTQ perversion; shame on you for advocating Marxism and Darwinism in our schools; shame on you for destroying our Nation in the foolishness and ignorance of Progressivism and Atheism and Secular Humanism...shame on you...and the horrible people you advocate. You represent defilement and evil...

 

Of course not. The special pleading is due to your spiritual ignorance. God gave adam and satan brains of evil to serve gods own perverted narcissism. Worship me or else. That's your master. Your book admits the evil of your mistress...

Revelation:  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

God knew satan had no chance, or you are saying god was . Which is it?

@Factfinder ; @ZeusAres42 ; @21CenturyIconoclast ; Elohim created both Satan and Adam in perfection...Satan was a direct servant of Elohim...anointed and placed in a position of divine authority yet he chose covetousness and narcissism and rebellion; like you, he chose to reject his Creator...as did Adam.

Concerning Satan,

“You were the signet of perfection,
    full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
    every precious stone was your covering,
sardius, topaz, and diamond,
    beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle;
    and crafted in gold were your settings
    and your engravings.
On the day that you were created
    they were prepared.
14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.
    I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God;
    in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
15 You were blameless in your ways
    from the day you were created,
    till unrighteousness was found in you.  Ezekiel 28

Concerning Adam,

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.  Genesis 1 (ESV)

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You, like these, have chosen rebellion to Elohim and you will reap what you're sowing.