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PARENTS OF MICHIGANS OXFORD SCHOOL SHOOTER IN DEFENSE. V. UNITED STATES GOVERNNENT.

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Pontiac, Michigan 2021.   15 year old Ethan took a gun from his parents drawer and took it to school after previously meeting with school officials accompanied by his parents over a violent drawing of a man in blood laying on the floor next to a guy holding a gun. He killed 4 students and injured 2 staff. The judge  sentenced their parents to 10 years in prison each for being the cause of involuntary manslaughter.


In mounting a defense against the court's attribution of culpability to the parents for the aforementioned tragedy, it is pertinent to explore the possibility of recourse to alternative explanations. One such avenue may involve questioning the extent to which governmental policies, societal norms, and cultural influences contribute to the proliferation of violence in contemporary media, including video games, television programming, and easily accessible materials depicting graphic content.The defense may posit that a confluence of factors, including but not limited to parental supervision, regulatory frameworks governing media consumption, and broader socio-cultural contexts, collectively influence an individual's behavioral outcomes. By elucidating the pervasive nature of violent imagery in mainstream entertainment and its potential impact on impressionable young minds, the defense could argue for a more nuanced assessment of causality.


In the defense of the parents against the courts ruling of being the cause of the murders. In the parents defense, would the court accept their argument if the patents were to blame the government as the cause not them?. With all the violent games, tv shows, and accessible items depicting violence be the real cause for the childrens murders? Or would it be thrown out in court? Would it be safe to say that the cause should be equally divided between parents and government and cone to a fair plea?



Ultimately, the pursuit of justice demands a thorough examination of all relevant factors, with due consideration for the profound implications of the case at hand. Whether the court would entertain arguments attributing culpability to external entities or adhere to a more traditional interpretation of parental responsibility remains to be seen, underscoring the complexities inherent in adjudicating matters of this nature.



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  • JoesephJoeseph 697 Pts   -   edited March 15
    The problem was always the gun and remains the gun availability n society more gun deaths ......its pretty simple really what's the big mystery?


    It's completely bewildering watching Americans daily attempting to explain and normalise school shootings.

    Americans live in a society where armed security are necessary to stop your kids from  getting shot at school and this is seen as " just fine and dandy" , the gun of course is never to blame its everything but the gun.

    The pathetic brain dead response are " hey man a gun is just a tool " or the equally banal " hey guns don't kill people,  people kill people" 

    Do Americans scratch their heads and wonder why it's only their country has this problem to this degree
  • PorfirioDiazPorfirioDiaz 33 Pts   -  
    Joeseph said:
    The problem was always the gun and remains the gun availability n society more gun deaths ......its pretty simple really what's the big mystery?


    It's completely bewildering watching Americans daily attempting to explain and normalise school shootings.

    Americans live in a society where armed security are necessary to stop your kids from  getting shot at school and this is seen as " just fine and dandy" , the gun of course is never to blame its everything but the gun.

    The pathetic brain dead response are " hey man a gun is just a tool " or the equally banal " hey guns don't kill people,  people kill people" 

    Do Americans scratch their heads and wonder why it's only their country has this problem to this degree


    What you are saying sounds exactly the same as a man giving a pregnant woman advice on how to have a baby. If you dont live in the US then you dont have a clue. There are accustomed safety measures in places where in other parts of the world might be considered "bewildering". But to us here in the US, its more of a patch to alleviate relief to feel safe. Plus, it creates jobs and if you havent noticed , the US is the number one targeted country in the world. So i dont know where your ideas come from. The US has never been a safe place to live homie. We are bred for war does your country want some? Just let us know here.
  • JoesephJoeseph 697 Pts   -   edited March 15

    What you are saying sounds exactly the same as a man giving a pregnant woman advice on how to have a baby.

    Translation  : PoorDiego has no valid response so resorts to nonsense.


    If you dont live in the US then you dont have a clue.

    PoorDiego claims only Americans can comment on gun deaths / violence otherwise he will bawl his / her eyes out .


     There are accustomed safety measures in places where in other parts of the world might be considered "bewildering"

    Yet USA remains tops in the world at school shootings you d-mb f-ck.


    . But to us here in the US, its more of a patch to alleviate relief to feel safe

    Yes you live in a very dangerous country , I know.


    . Plus, it creates jobs and if you havent noticed ,

    So does alcholol yet you're whining like a little bi-tch about that because your type of man drinks diet coke with a pink straw.


    the US is the number one targeted country in the world

    By school shooters you guys are tops.

    . So i dont know where your ideas come from. The US has never been a safe place to live homie.

    Yes I know its a dangerous place where schools need armed guards. I cannot believe a big fat like you just said " homie" .

    Also the cowardly f-cks are yellow dogs without a gun to back them up.


     We are bred for war does your country want some?


    NO YOU'RE NOT EVERY WAR YOU LOSE , REMEMBER VIETNAM? A BUNCH OF HAlf  STARVED RICE FARMERS SENT YOU ALL RUNNING HOME TO MAMMY .......BRED FOR WAR ...ROFLMAO   YOURE BRED TO BE DUMB , IGNORANT AND OBESE WHICH IS HOW YOU RUBES VOTEPEOPLE LIKE TRUMP IN

    Just let us know here.@PorfirioDiaz


    LET YOU KNOW WHAT?  THAT YOU LOT  NEVER WIN WARS.?
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    If it can be proven in court that the parents of the teenaged shooter knew that their child was suffering from a clinical psychological condition, and they then failed to secure their firearms, then a jury may convict them of criminal negligence.   However, it is also valid that teenagers today are being raised in societies which constantly glamourizes violence, and violence with firearms in particular.   It does not matter what the media glamourizes.   If it glamourizes cigarette smoking, especially using attractive role models, then young people will smoke cigarettes to emulate their on screen heroes.   Which is why cigarette advertising is banned.in every enlightened country.   If you glamourize suicide, suicide rates will rise, which is why depictions of suicide in the media is usually banned in every enlightened country.    However, the media today glamourizes violent criminal behavior, gang activity, illegal drug abuse, misogyny, thrill seeking behaviour, and revenge type behaviour, and we as a society then wonder why our kids today are behaving in ways that they have never behaved previously? 

    Firearm laws and their consequences are a litmus paper test of how socially sick your society has become.      Societies with good values that are generally accepted by the entire community, and who posses strong social cohesion, do not need strict firearm laws.     This is a provable premise.    If any society has weak firearm laws, and it refuses to recognise that the media is primarily to blame for encouraging a culture of violence, especially revenge type behaviour, is in real trouble.    Stricter firearm laws can help, but the real problem is in what you are teaching your kids.     Children are not born with moral values.    What values they adopt as they grow up are what society tells them is correct behaviour.    Parents, grandparents, teachers, and religious leaders may strive to instill pro social values in them.    But if the kids become immersed in a culture of violence and criminality that is everywhere in their music, computer games, and being performed by their on screen role model heroes, then whatever pro social values their parents and community leaders instill in them will get diluted by the mixed messaging.   

    This is especially so in modern society where around one third of families are single parent families, usually with an absent father.     Young, poorly socialised, usually low iQ young boys, who's only window to the world is a TV set, are being programmed by the media with anti social values.    While mature people can look at violent movies and recognise that what is being displayed on screen is amusing and entertaining, because it is a parody of real life, a poorly socialised young person with low IQ can see it a a script on how to live.        
  • PorfirioDiazPorfirioDiaz 33 Pts   -   edited March 16
    Joeseph said:

     
    LET YOU KNOW WHAT?  THAT YOU  NEVER WIN WARS.?


    Listen here downy.



    Vietname wasnt a real war. It was never a war to win. If we really wanted to win you'd be nuked. You keep forgetting that the only reason you can yap online rn is bexause the US made it rhat way. Otherwise if we were such a bad country your parents, parents parents, your entire genome would cease to exist. Glad youve made it here okay


  • JoesephJoeseph 697 Pts   -  
    @PorfirioDiaz

    Listen here downy.

    I'm listening fatty .....go on......



    Vietname wasnt a real war.

    Yet it was called the Viernam war you dummy.


    It was never a war to win.

    Says every loser

     If we really wanted to win you'd be nuked.

    You mean like you let 15 Muslims have the whole nation of America pissing themselves in fear  like babies after 9/11?


    You keep forgetting that the only reason you can yap online rn is bexause the US made it rhat way.

    So the US invented communication wow!


    therwise if we were such a bad country your parents, parents parents, your entire genome would cease to exist.

    Wow ! You actually think Europeans are descendants of native Americans ....seriously? I know you're American but even for an American you're spectacularly d-mb


     Glad youve made it here okay

    You can get back to your crack pipe now homie
  • PorfirioDiazPorfirioDiaz 33 Pts   -  
    Joeseph said:
    @PorfirioDiaz

    Listen here downy.

    I'm listening fatty .....go on......



    Vietname wasnt a real war.

    Yet it was called the Viernam war you dummy.


    It was never a war to win.

    Says every loser

     If we really wanted to win you'd be nuked.

    You mean like you let 15 Muslims have the whole nation of America pissing themselves in fear  like babies after 9/11?


    You keep forgetting that the only reason you can yap online rn is bexause the US made it rhat way.

    So the US invented communication wow!


    therwise if we were such a bad country your parents, parents parents, your entire genome would cease to exist.

    Wow ! You actually think Europeans are descendants of native Americans ....seriously? I know you're American but even for an American you're spectacularly d-mb


     Glad youve made it here okay

    You can get back to your crack pipe now homie


    Are you here to argue and get the attention of a man or why are you here other than to somber your tears from the downy you are.


    Nice try k1d
  • JoesephJoeseph 697 Pts   -  
    Are you here to argue and get the attention of a man

    But you're a fat boy living in your mums trailer.


    or why are you here other than to somber your tears from the downy you are

    What are you even trying to say you id-ot?

    .


    Nice try k1d@PorfirioDiaz


    Back to your crack pipe homie
  • jackjack 458 Pts   -   edited March 16

    The judge  sentenced their parents to 10 years in prison each for being the cause of involuntary manslaughter.
    Hello P:

    If the parents conspired with their son to commit manslaughter, they're guilty.  However, in order to be convicted of conspiracy, one would have to have committed an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.  

    NOT acting, isn't an overt act.  The parents are not guilty.


    excon

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