How were people in the Old Testament (before Jesus) saved from the "second death" in Hell?

Factfinder

Who invented the term sin? @RickeyHoltsclaw

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder Sin is not an invention...it's rebellion to our Creator's will.

James 4:17 ESV 

So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Sin is likened unto "evil," it does not require "invention" or creation...it is a natural manifestation of disobedience like a hole that is left when a rock is removed...the hole did not require creation...it just is in the absence of the rock.

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder


FACTDENIER,

Remember when I said I would correct your Bible STU-PIDITY when needed?  Therefore, once again in front of the membership, and RickeyHoltsclaw, I have to correct your bible ineptness again. 

1. YOUR FIRST MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “All of humanity, from Adam to this very day, were and are saved by “faith,” alone (Hebrews 11).

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  One is not saved by “Faith alone” as you stupidly proffer, where there needs to be “works” along with faith as shown below in only a few of the many godly verses showing this biblical FACT!

A. NONE OTHER THAN JESUS SAID: “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2: 14-17)

B. JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAID: “He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey fury." (Romans 2:6-8)

C, THE APOSTLE MATTHEW SAID: “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then  He will reward each according to his works.   (Matthew 16.27)

D. JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAID: “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:12)

To save you from further embarrassment in front of the membership, and especially RickeyHoltsclaw, I only included the 4 verses above in explicitly showing that works are needed for the pseudo-christian to be saved by Jesus. You can thank me later. 

2. YOUR SECOND MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “Faith internalized; that is, “believing” Elohim is the One true Creator and that Elohim is faithful to do all that He has promised.”

Why do I have to remind you AGAIN, whereas when you use the Old Testament in "trying" to prove your point, use the OT’s true name of god which is the Jewish god named “YAHWEH!”  Understood? Huh?  The Bible is JEWISH, remember?!

Then when you use the New Testament to “try” once again to prove your point, the NT god is “JESUS” the Jewish god of Yahweh incarnate, as I have biblically shown all the time! Therefore, use his name in recognition of the NT!  GET IT BIBLE DUMMY?

CONTINUED AT YOUR BIBLE INEPTNESS EXPENSE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You didn't answer my question. Who invented the term 'sin'?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Sin is a Greek word meaning to "miss the mark" an archery term. As far as its origin...do you own work...lazy atheist.

Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder


FACTDENIER,

Remember when I said I would correct your Bible STU-PIDITY when needed?  Therefore, once again in front of the membership, and RickeyHoltsclaw, I have to correct your bible ineptness again. 

1. YOUR FIRST MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “All of humanity, from Adam to this very day, were and are saved by “faith,” alone (Hebrews 11).

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  One is not saved by “Faith alone” as you stupidly proffer, where there needs to be “works” along with faith as shown below in only a few of the many godly verses showing this biblical FACT!

A. NONE OTHER THAN JESUS SAID: “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2: 14-17)

B. JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAID: “He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey fury." (Romans 2:6-8)

C, THE APOSTLE MATTHEW SAID: “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then  He will reward each according to his works.   (Matthew 16.27)

D. JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAID: “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:12)

To save you from further embarrassment in front of the membership, and especially RickeyHoltsclaw, I only included the 4 verses above in explicitly showing that works are needed for the pseudo-christian to be saved by Jesus. You can thank me later. 

2. YOUR SECOND MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “Faith internalized; that is, “believing” Elohim is the One true Creator and that Elohim is faithful to do all that He has promised.”

Why do I have to remind you AGAIN, whereas when you use the Old Testament in "trying" to prove your point, use the OT’s true name of god which is the Jewish god named “YAHWEH!”  Understood? Huh?  The Bible is JEWISH, remember?!

Then when you use the New Testament to “try” once again to prove your point, the NT god is “JESUS” the Jewish god of Yahweh incarnate, as I have biblically shown all the time! Therefore, use his name in recognition of the NT!  GET IT BIBLE DUMMY?

CONTINUED AT YOUR BIBLE INEPTNESS EXPENSE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Still waiting.

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

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FACTDENIER, 

Addressing your initial post at your laughable expense once again, how sad!

3. YOUR THIRD MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “Jesus is the divine “Door” (John 10:9-16) to the Kingdom for all who “believe” by “faith” that He, alone, is Messiah who died for the sins of the whole World Subsequent Messiah’s blood sacrifice,……….”

Again, your bible STU-PIDITY is shown once again when you proffer to believe by “faith alone,” where see proposition #1 in my post above in correcting your bible ineptness!

Then when the above bible mistakes you have made isn’t enough, then you erroneously state that Jesus is the Messiah, where you are WRONG again in front of the membership and RickeyHoltsclaw!!!

JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH FOR DUMMIES LIKE FACTDENIER AND RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE SHORT VERSION: 

According to the prophecies within the JUDEO-Christian bible, the Messiah of the Christian faith must be a descendant of King David “through the flesh,” aka, sexual relations, whereas Paul substantiates this biblical axiom herewith: “Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, who was descended from David according to the flesh.” (Romans 1:3).

"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30)

Barring the FACT that Jesus never was raised up to sit on David’s throne, which is another biblical LIE, the following biblical facts are presented in Jesus not being the Messiah because Jesus was not born "through the flesh" of King David, period! 

1. Luke claims that Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron, the high priest: “In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.” This passage directly places Mary in the tribe of Levi because Aaron was a Levite, therefore Elizabeth being a cousin of Mary was a Levite too, therefore through family relations MARY IS A LEVITE! (Exodus 4:14-15)

2. Therefore, Mary's incestuous celestial impregnation by her own son Jesus, as being the Jewish god Yahweh incarnate, though his spirit, and Mary being a Levite, then Jesus IS NOT from the “fruit of the loins” from the House of David as a requirement for Jesus to be the Messiah as shown above! 2+2=4!

3. Deduced to its irreducible primary, Mary was NOT from the line of David, but the line of Levi, and Joseph being from the line of David was not the paternal father “through the fruit of the loins “ of David, therefore Jesus is in NOT the Messiah as biblically deduced, period! 2+2=4.

FACTDENIER, if you erroneously want to be more bible STU-PID than you are now, mention that Luke 3:28-38 is Mary’s tribal affiliation through King David, and I will BIBLE SLAP YOU SILLY AGAIN®️, understood?! YES?!

FACTDENIER, maybe next time, just don’t make an entire  thread upon your own, because unfortunately, your bible STU-PIDITY has no bounds, and when you make a thread of your own, it stands out immensely at your bible inept expense!

Oh, and don’t forget to copy and paste my easy refutation herewith to use at another time to hopefully not make you the continued bible fool that you are “at this time,” okay?  You’re welcome! LOL!

NEXT ASSUMED ATHEIST LIKE ….”FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER”…. THAT GIVES ATHEISM A BAD NAME FOR BEING SO BIBLE IN HIS RESPONSES TO THIS FORUM, WILL BE …..?

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; No, faith (noun) saves the soul from Hell; that is, faith-belief in Jesus as Messiah who died for you. Faith (verb) becomes relevant once salvation by faith (noun) has been established as the indwelling Holy Spirit begins a good work in the redeemed in Jesus and produces "divine" fruit through them that honors the Father. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruit" (Matthew 7:15-20).

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


JESUS H. CHRIST, YOU ARE AS DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE FOOL FACTDENIER!!!


YOUR BIBLE QUOTE AS USUAL: "No, faith (noun) saves the soul from Hell; that is, faith-belief in Jesus as Messiah who died for you."

First thing, in my post relative to "FAITH" I said that "WORKS" are also needed to be saved from your brutal and bloody serial killer Jesus as shown herewith: "where there needs to be “works” along with faith,"  GET IT BIBLE ?

Secondly, what part of my post explaining the biblical FACT that Jesus is not the "Messiah" don't you understand as shown in the following link?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179389/#Comment_179389 

Thirdly, Jesus did not DIE and remain DEAD as a true sacrifice, whereas he only took a 3 day "tomb nap" before he allegedly arose in a walking zombie state to scare the shyte out of his disciples, remember BIBLE FOOL?


NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND TRUE BIBLICAL DOCTRINES, AND THEREFORE NEEDS TO RUN AWAY FROM THEM AS USUAL, WILL BE .....?

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; No one is saved by what they "do" but in Whom they "believe;" this, by faith. 

MayCaesar

This reminds me of the greatest threat I have ever heard, in Russian. It went like this: "If you die on me... I will run to the end of the world to resurrect you, so I can then kill you myself!"

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder


FACTDENIER,

YOUR QUOTE IN ME MAKING YOU THE BIBLE INEPT FOOL AGAIN IN SAID POST OF MINE:  "Still waiting."

PRICELESS! All you can do is state a grade-school TWO WORD response to me easily making you the 2nd most bible inept fool within this Religion Forum, and in you being an assumed Atheist!  LOL!

If you are "still waiting" for me to make you the BIBLE STU-PID FOOL AGAIN, then just state more of your outright bible stu-pid statements in future posts of yours, simple, GET IT?  LOL! 


Oh, don't forget once again to copy and paste my two posts that you will need to use in the future upon the topics shown, wherefore in using them you won't embarrass yourself AGAIN in front of the membership upon said topics!  Again, you can thank me later.



NEXT ASSUMED ATHEIST LIKE ...."FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER".... THAT WANTS TO REMOVE ONE FOOT FROM HIS MOUTH TO INSERT THE OTHER IN EMBARRASSMENT RELATIVE TO HIS BIBLE INEPTNESS RESPONSE, WILL BE .......?  LOL!


.

Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder


FACTDENIER,

YOUR QUOTE IN ME MAKING YOU THE BIBLE INEPT FOOL AGAIN IN SAID POST OF MINE:  "Still waiting."

PRICELESS! All you can do is state a grade-school TWO WORD response to me easily making you the 2nd most bible inept fool within this Religion Forum, and in you being an assumed Atheist!  LOL!

If you are "still waiting" for me to make you the BIBLE STU-PID FOOL AGAIN, then just state more of your outright bible stu-pid statements in future posts of yours, simple, GET IT?  LOL! 


Oh, don't forget once again to copy and paste my two posts that you will need to use in the future upon the topics shown, wherefore in using them you won't embarrass yourself AGAIN in front of the membership upon said topics!  Again, you can thank me later.



NEXT ASSUMED ATHEIST LIKE ...."FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER".... THAT WANTS TO REMOVE ONE FOOT FROM HIS MOUTH TO INSERT THE OTHER IN EMBARRASSMENT RELATIVE TO HIS BIBLE INEPTNESS RESPONSE, WILL BE .......?  LOL!


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Still waiting. https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179123/#Comment_179123

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar ; You don't die...only the body dies.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Sin is a Greek word meaning to "miss the mark" an archery term. As far as its origin...do you own work...lazy atheist.

The word sin is, unsurprisingly, not one of the newer additions to our vocabulary; it has been in use for well over a thousand years. Our current form of the word comes from the Middle English sinne, which is itself from the Old English syn. The original meanings of sin were largely concerned with religious matters (“a transgression of religious law,” “an offense against God”) https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/what-is-sin#:~:text=Our current form of the,an offense against God”).

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Well there you go.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Well there you go.

Yep, there I go. This is a religious thread in a religious forum so being in 'sin' means not believing and following all the Hindu and Greek gods. You transgress their laws. It's also a sin to spread vile bigoted hate against all others like you do. And these claims by me has equal standing as with all your claims in this specific thread. 

Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder

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FACTDENIER, 

Addressing your initial post at your laughable expense once again, how sad!

3. YOUR THIRD MISGUIDED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN QUOTE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “Jesus is the divine “Door” (John 10:9-16) to the Kingdom for all who “believe” by “faith” that He, alone, is Messiah who died for the sins of the whole World Subsequent Messiah’s blood sacrifice,……….”

Again, your bible STU-PIDITY is shown once again when you proffer to believe by “faith alone,” where see proposition #1 in my post above in correcting your bible ineptness!

Then when the above bible mistakes you have made isn’t enough, then you erroneously state that Jesus is the Messiah, where you are WRONG again in front of the membership and RickeyHoltsclaw!!!

JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH FOR DUMMIES LIKE FACTDENIER AND RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE SHORT VERSION: 

According to the prophecies within the JUDEO-Christian bible, the Messiah of the Christian faith must be a descendant of King David “through the flesh,” aka, sexual relations, whereas Paul substantiates this biblical axiom herewith: “Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, who was descended from David according to the flesh.” (Romans 1:3).

"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30)

Barring the FACT that Jesus never was raised up to sit on David’s throne, which is another biblical LIE, the following biblical facts are presented in Jesus not being the Messiah because Jesus was not born "through the flesh" of King David, period! 

1. Luke claims that Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron, the high priest: “In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.” This passage directly places Mary in the tribe of Levi because Aaron was a Levite, therefore Elizabeth being a cousin of Mary was a Levite too, therefore through family relations MARY IS A LEVITE! (Exodus 4:14-15)

2. Therefore, Mary's incestuous celestial impregnation by her own son Jesus, as being the Jewish god Yahweh incarnate, though his spirit, and Mary being a Levite, then Jesus IS NOT from the “fruit of the loins” from the House of David as a requirement for Jesus to be the Messiah as shown above! 2+2=4!

3. Deduced to its irreducible primary, Mary was NOT from the line of David, but the line of Levi, and Joseph being from the line of David was not the paternal father “through the fruit of the loins “ of David, therefore Jesus is in NOT the Messiah as biblically deduced, period! 2+2=4.

FACTDENIER, if you erroneously want to be more bible STU-PID than you are now, mention that Luke 3:28-38 is Mary’s tribal affiliation through King David, and I will BIBLE SLAP YOU SILLY AGAIN®️, understood?! YES?!

FACTDENIER, maybe next time, just don’t make an entire  thread upon your own, because unfortunately, your bible STU-PIDITY has no bounds, and when you make a thread of your own, it stands out immensely at your bible inept expense!

Oh, and don’t forget to copy and paste my easy refutation herewith to use at another time to hopefully not make you the continued bible fool that you are “at this time,” okay?  You’re welcome! LOL!

NEXT ASSUMED ATHEIST LIKE ….”FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER”…. THAT GIVES ATHEISM A BAD NAME FOR BEING SO BIBLE IN HIS RESPONSES TO THIS FORUM, WILL BE …..?

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You're attributing that quote to the wrong person dummy. Ricky said these things. Still waiting.

just_sayin

@Factfinder
You're attributing that quote to the wrong person dummy. Ricky said these things. Still waiting.

No need for a personal attack.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@just_sayin ; This whole forum is replete with "personal attacks" and no one deserves them more than @21CenturyIconoclast.

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

@Factfinder
You're attributing that quote to the wrong person dummy. Ricky said these things. Still waiting.

No need for a personal attack.

Really? Are you trying to get on 21centuryclowns good side so bad you ignore his scathing personal attacks day in and day out against everyone? Just because I pointed out a fact about his weak minded bible knowledge? What gives Just_sayin? Thought you believed in objectivity? Now you see personal attacks everywhere except from the one person who never adds anything to a debate but ignorance and name calling?

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

just_sayin said:

@Factfinder
You're attributing that quote to the wrong person dummy. Ricky said these things. Still waiting.

No need for a personal attack.

Really? Are you trying to get on 21centuryclowns good side so bad you ignore his scathing personal attacks day in and day out against everyone? Just because I pointed out a fact about his weak minded bible knowledge? What gives Just_sayin? Thought you believed in objectivity? Now you see personal attacks everywhere except from the one person who never adds anything to a debate but ignorance and name calling?

Hey, I've noted that he can't go a paragraph without calling me a 'Bible Fool'.  I think you are capable of making your case without name calling.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@just_sayin ; This whole forum is replete with "personal attacks" and no one deserves them more than @21CenturyIconoclast.

On that we agree.

Bogan

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER,

YOUR LITERALLY "BLIND" QUOTE REGARDING YOUR BIBLE STU-PIDITY AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP:  "You're attributing that quote to the wrong person dummy. Ricky said these things. Still waiting"

WRONG "BLIND AS A BAT" FACTDENIER!!!  I did not direct the equally bible fool like you RickeyHoltsclaw, because YOU SAID in your initial post this statement that Jesus was the Messiah herewith:  “Jesus is the divine “Door” (John 10:9-16) to the Kingdom for all who “believe” by “faith” that He, alone, is Messiah who died for the sins of the whole World Subsequent Messiah’s blood sacrifice,……….” 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/9749/how-were-people-in-the-old-testament-before-jesus-saved-from-the-second-death-in-hell

Therefore at your embarrassing expense once again in front of the membership, I had to biblically correct your bible stu-pidity where Jesus is NOT THE MESSIAH in this post entitled; JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH FOR DUMMIES LIKE FACTDENIER AND RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE SHORT VERSION: 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179389/#Comment_179389

FACTDENIER, do you understand in how BIBLE STU-PID you are in front of the membership, where are you trying to be more bible stu-pid than RickeyHoltsclaw, is that your goal in this forum?  LOL!

NEXT PSEUDO-ATHEIST LIKE ….”FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER,”…. THAT TRIES IN VAIN TO COVERUP THEIR EMBARRASSING MISTAKE AS SHOWN ABOVE, BUT WAS CAUGHT IN DOING SO, WILL BE …..?   LOL!

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER,

Subsequent to me easily making you the outright BIBLE STU-PID FOOL AGAIN in my post above, let us now address the FACT that you are still running away from you making more bible stu-pid quotes relative to you saying “faith alone” is how a pseudo-christian is saved! NOT!

YOUR BIBLICALLY MISGUIDED QUOTE SHOWN AGAIN AT YOUR LAUGHABLE EXPENSE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “All of humanity, from Adam to this very day, were and are saved by “faith,” alone (Hebrews 11).

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/9749/how-were-people-in-the-old-testament-before-jesus-saved-from-the-second-death-in-hell

What part of the Bible verses I showed you where it EXPLICITLY STATES that “Works” and “Faith” combined are needed for salvation, where your bible ineptness said only “Faith Alone” is needed in your comical and misguided inital post as shown above!  LOL!!!!  

HERE ARE THE BIBLE VERSES AGAIN THAT EASILY SHOW YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY WHERE YOUR BIBLE DUMBNESS SAYS ONLY “FAITH ALONE” IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION, WHEREAS IT IS SHOWN BY JESUS THAT “WORKS” ARE NEEDED AS WELL:

1. NONE OTHER THAN JESUS SAID: “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2: 14-17)

2. JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAID: “He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey fury." (Romans 2:6-8)

3, THE APOSTLE MATTHEW SAID: “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then  He will reward each according to his works.   (Matthew 16.27)

4. JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAID: “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:12)

FACTDENIER, At what point do you realize that you are not ready for “Prime Time” in this Religion Forum, where like I said before, you should be in a Children’s Religion Forum instead to be more comfortable with your total Bible ineptness!

THE MEMBERSHIP CONTINUES TO LAUGH AT YOUR OUTRIGHT BIBLE STUPIDITY!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-CqFh7xvDQ

NEXT PSEUDO ATHEIST LIKE ….”FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER”….THAT IS TRYING TO BE MORE BIBLE DUMB THAN RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, WILL BE …………?

.

Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER,

Subsequent to me easily making you the outright BIBLE STU-PID FOOL AGAIN in my post above, let us now address the FACT that you are still running away from you making more bible stu-pid quotes relative to you saying “faith alone” is how a pseudo-christian is saved! NOT!

YOUR BIBLICALLY MISGUIDED QUOTE SHOWN AGAIN AT YOUR LAUGHABLE EXPENSE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “All of humanity, from Adam to this very day, were and are saved by “faith,” alone (Hebrews 11).

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/9749/how-were-people-in-the-old-testament-before-jesus-saved-from-the-second-death-in-hell

What part of the Bible verses I showed you where it EXPLICITLY STATES that “Works” and “Faith” combined are needed for salvation, where your bible ineptness said only “Faith Alone” is needed in your comical and misguided inital post as shown above!  LOL!!!!  

HERE ARE THE BIBLE VERSES AGAIN THAT EASILY SHOW YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY WHERE YOUR BIBLE DUMBNESS SAYS ONLY “FAITH ALONE” IS NEEDED FOR SALVATION, WHEREAS IT IS SHOWN BY JESUS THAT “WORKS” ARE NEEDED AS WELL:

1. NONE OTHER THAN JESUS SAID: “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2: 14-17)

2. JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAID: “He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey fury." (Romans 2:6-8)

3, THE APOSTLE MATTHEW SAID: “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then  He will reward each according to his works.   (Matthew 16.27)

4. JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAID: “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:12)

FACTDENIER, At what point do you realize that you are not ready for “Prime Time” in this Religion Forum, where like I said before, you should be in a Children’s Religion Forum instead to be more comfortable with your total Bible ineptness!

THE MEMBERSHIP CONTINUES TO LAUGH AT YOUR OUTRIGHT BIBLE STUPIDITY!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-CqFh7xvDQ

NEXT PSEUDO ATHEIST LIKE ….”FACTDENIER, AKA, FACTFINDER”….THAT IS TRYING TO BE MORE BIBLE DUMB THAN RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, WILL BE …………?

.

Dummy, you keep linking the op and attributing it to me. I'm not the op and you're not quoting my initial post. This is my initial post, https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179302/#Comment_179302 got it? Now run along.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You're both atheistic "dummies."

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

Factdenier,

YOUR QUOTE: "you keep linking the op and attributing it to me. I'm not the op and you're not quoting my initial post."

You are correct!   Since you and Rickey are one bubble off of plumb with your Bible stupidity, I mistakenly thought that was your op initial post!


Don't you worry one bit, because I will always correct your outright bible stupidity like I have done!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

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RickeyHoltsclaw, the number one Bible Fool of this Religion Forum, bar none!

YOUR BIBLE QUOTE SHOWING THAT YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY HAS NO BOUNDS AGAIN, AND THAT THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF!: "No one is saved by what they "do" but in Whom they "believe;" this, by faith." 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179397/#Comment_179397

The "Step-Brother" of Jesus in being James, says you are a bible fool as usual as shown in the verse below where a pseudo-christian like YOU needs "WORKS" and "FAITH" for your perceived Salvation, GET IT DUMB BIBLE FOOL?!!!!

FAITH AND WORKS:
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?  Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.  If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?  In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.  But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?  Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." (James 2:14-24)

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, we are truly sorry AGAIN, in that this Jesus verse herewith justifies your Bible STU-PIDITY: Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures"  (Matthew 22:29)  DUH!

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOUR CHILDREN AND BIBLICALLY 2ND CLASS WIFE DO NOT READ YOUR BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED POSTS IN THIS RELIGION FORUM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS BECAUSE OF THEIR OUTRIGHT BIBLE INEPTNESS!  LOL!


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21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

Once again, for you to not be so gawd-damned BIBLE DUMB, copy and paste the post of mine shown above with the topic at hand, where I had to BIBLE SLAP SILLY®️ RickeyHoltsclaw again, so as for you to use it in the future like you thought of this type of response!  You can thank me later.  LOL!


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Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; You're both atheistic "dummies."

Jealous? As usual. Drop the cult for dummies and you can be smart too.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You are irrelevant as an atheist, both in Time and Eternity...you are loathed by those who love what is good, holy, sustainable.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

...you are loathed by those who love what is good, holy, sustainable.

Thanks but I don't believe in Satan. But since you call it good and holy why do you worship a self absorbed attention whore called Elohim?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You don't believe because you're Satan's fool.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You don't believe in education because you're Santa's fool.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; At least I have commonsense to see and think and know and do...unlike the foolish atheist.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

At least I have commonsense to see and think and know and do...unlike the foolish atheist.

Agreed. You think you know and you do abuse just like the foolish theist.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I tell you the truth...you're a blathering fool as an atheist...and you're headed to death in Hell and you don't care...you're blinded by your father Satan and just another tragedy and fodder for the fire.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

 I tell you the truth...you're a blathering fool as an atheist...and you're headed to death in Hell and you don't care...you're blinded by your father Satan and just another tragedy and fodder for the fire.

You're right about one thing, I don't care about hell as it don't exist. Why would your god create people with inquisitive, critical thinking minds knowing they wouldn't believe in baseless fairytales and torture them forever? While simpletons who believe any nonsense with no evidence he would reward for their stupidity? It doesn't make sense.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; This is why you're Satan's fool...and fodder for the useful idiots.