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.The whole Human Induced Climate Change farce is simply a tactic by a bunch of One World Government dreamers, neo Marxists, public service empire builders, left wing teachers federations, self aggrandizing publicly funded climate scientists, vegans and other kooks, extreme green environmentalists, sensation seeking shock/horror media people, self interested corporations, and now a class of usually well off educated elitists, to whom virtue signaling and class identification is everything, to panic the ordinary they all despise into finally accepting a totalitarian government of their own caste's worldview, in order to control the lives of The Great Unwashed, and to redistribute the wealth of the advanced countries to the dysfunctional countries.
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https://crankyuncle.com/which-climate-scientists-are-in-the-97-consensus-poster/
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The answer was determined millennia ago in the primitive legal systems and has never really changed: one is only to pay a compensation to someone else if the harm his actions caused is found in the court to be significant. If said African kid can demonstrate that me driving my car seriously damaged his lungs, then he may have a case to make; otherwise, no.
What did change relative to the primitive legal systems is only the concept of the economical agent. In the collectivist view prevalent today groups are collectively responsible for damages their members inflicted on others. This, of course, is rubbish. One cannot be responsible for things outside their control, and I have no control over what others do to the climate. I can only control what I do to the climate - so, again, if someone can demonstrate that my individual actions severely hurt someone, then I am happy to go to a court and dispute or concede the claim.
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If a true injustice has been committed, then reparations are not needed as the court system could provide a judgement. When someone appeals to reparations rather than the courts, it seems they are acknowledging that a injustice has not really been committed, but wish to redistribute wealth by making someone feel guilty. This is an immoral tactic and needs to be called out as such. In the next 50 years, poorer countries will be increasing their use of CO2 emitting gases to increase their own wealth. Why should they be paid, when almost all will be increasing their own pollution? These are the projections of the UN. To raise their people out of poverty, many will seek to increase their energy output, and the cheapest energy sources are still those that emit CO2. Richer countries are leading the way in research for cleaner technologies. Why should countries which have heavily invested in research and technology to reduce global warming also be punished by reparations? Again, it is an immoral proposal that fails to recognize the efforts that rich countries have made to reduce global warming.
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Nonsense ......
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It would be awesome if solar were cheaper than non-renewable sources. First, we could remove the government subsidizes which have misrepresented the cost of solar for decades. However, for solar to be a true alternative, there will need to be further upgrades to batteries, storage, and the grid that support them. Solar causes far greater damage to the "grid" because it has such extreme fluctuations. Often studies that find solar cheaper, only look at up front costs, and fail to consider ongoing and maintenance costs. In contrast, a power source like nuclear is primarily upfront costs, with much smaller maintenance costs. That's why people who live in areas where their power comes from nuclear pay lower electric prices than other areas where solar is used.
Germany's transition to solar resulted in the average electric bill being almost $1,000 American dollars higher a year for the average family. I know that people who buy Tesla's are saying "so what?", but to most people that is a "huge" increase in electric bills. If you truly want people to switch to renewable energy sources, then investment in technology is crucial. People will gladly switch to an energy source if they will REALLY save money.
For more on Germany's continued surging energy price debacle see Clean Energy Wire:
To compare the average residential electricity rate in the U.S. is 15.64¢ per kilowatt-hour (kWh).
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Argument Topic: I disagree, but lack the time to invest deeply in the topic
But yet you spend considerable time answering others whys that?
Ok , but you still haven't attempted to address meaningfully even one questiom i asked despite me asking you to try, sorry but you you seem to only copy and paste the opinions of others which is why i made the claim that you're preaching
How does that even attempt to address what I asked ? It seems to me you're trolling at this stage are you?
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Argument Topic: There is a lot of other users responding to me.
You claimed I was merely using "anecdotal evidence" regards lack of use in my country of bicycle lanes yet at the moment I'm on a panel addressing my government regards the cost to citizens of making bicycle lanes that are still mostly unused.
You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
But I'm not a Trump supporter or a climate change denier I'm concerned about costs to the working classes you claim you are also yet you sound exactly like one of the rip off merchants who feign concern over the planet yet profit significantly from forcing people into green schemes they cannot support, you have no explanation on how it's in anyway reasonable to expect people to pay for electric cars or solar panels, you also want to punish them further by insisting they cycle long distances to work in every sort of condition.
But I'm still not a climate change denier so why are you telling me all this?
You're still deflecting.
Ok , thank you , can you try address what I'm actually asking you? Thanks
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First, the reason there are subsidies in European countries right now, is because the conversion to solar, and the Ukraine war has forced gas, oil, and natural gas prices through the roof. These were put in place to lower the shock of how their policies have raised energy costs. Don't blame gas and oil companies for this.
The reason coal production has decreased is due to government regulations making it impossible for many areas to continue using coal and because fracking has cut the cost of natural gas dramatically. There is nothing wrong with solar. I've considered it for my own home. However, it just wasn't a wise investment as it would take far longer than I plan to own the home to break even. I do think you have an overly optimistic view of where solar technology is right now. Its costs have come down. However, solar output is variable. You couldn't convert the whole country to solar today if you wanted to - the battery technology and the impact on the grid would crash the system. Given time and technological advances - sure, you can make that change, but not at this time. Given the U.S. consumes about 4 petawatt hours of electricity per year, we'd need about 13,600,000 acres or 21,250 square miles of solar panels . Those locations need to be near where the energy will be used, and many locations are not as ideal as other areas in the US. Back up energy sources will be needed until the battery storage issue can be fixed.
The artificial imposition of electric vehicles upon the public by government will only make the problem worse, as places like California are already unable to maintain their energy needs. The average cost of an electric vehicle is $18,000 more than the average price of a gas vehicle. Now that may mean nothing to someone who can afford a Tesla, but for poorer people, that's a lot of money they just don't have. Rural locations will need a lot of infrastructure upgrades to accommodate the government mandates. And again, the grid is not currently able to handle those problems.
Again, if you want people to adopt renewable energy sources you will have much more luck if they are cheaper than the alternatives. People will more readily switch if the technology is cheaper than what they are already using. Currently, that isn't the case.
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You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?" Dee
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Hi,
I wish you would type an answer to the 2 questions I've asked 4 times now instead of constantly deflecting and preaching ...
No you don't, my credentials give me expertise , also the available data gives my case further credibility such so I've been granted a number of meetings on the topic with government, so in future before you misrepresent me and condescendingly claim my evidence is merely " anecdotal" have the common deceny to tell me how you reached these absurd conclusions?
For example there is a program called D.A.R.E. here in the United States that is worse than useless. If somebody said there were on a panel for D.A.R.E. they would not be an expert. This would simply be a person with strong opinions as opposed to expertise and science based. Do you think being on that panel makes you an expert on bicycle lanes?
I never said being on a panel made me an expert, I have relevant credentials in the field.
Also you forgot that the cost of solar power is very expensive you admitted this what credentials do you need to work this out?
Also when you're at it what credentials do you need to gain video footage of bicycle lane usage?
What are you on about do you know how to answer a question without constantly preaching?
1: You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Still preaching , here again are the questions you refuse to answer ......
1: You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Still appealng to authority and posting link after link which has nothing to do with what I keep asking.
1: You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
You're deflecting again what I actually asked was....
1: You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible
1: You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
You should stop doing both if you feel that strongly about it , you cannot answer two simple questions without deflecting and your whole argument is riddled with fallacies and you don't recognise your constant fallacies or that you in actual fact are constantly resorting gish gallop tactics
. The idea is it takes more time, energy, and words to debunk than to create weak arguments. Therefore, it is possible to win an argument by simply overwhelming and exhausting the other person by flooding the zone.
But that's all you do as you totally avoid answering two simple questions you post link after unrelated link as you're totally uneducated on the matter
I know you do seem totally unaware of the very tactic you use , you sound exactly like the most ignorant and uneducated Sunday preacher from the bible belt
You didn't converse you preached, appealing to" authorities" and flooding the site with unrelated nonsense proves you're not remotely interested in debate you're a preacher and a troll.
Here is a definition of the tactic you use but don't even realise you're using it .......
The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. It's essentially a conveyor belt-fed of nonsense
I asked two simple questions and in 4 posts you've posted 42 ( and counting ) totllally untrelated comments and links that totally ignore what I said and asked proving the point that you're using the very tactic you st-pidly accuse me of , do you ever actually have an opinion of your own without resorting to the opinions of others?
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No you don't, my credentials give me expertise , also the available data gives my case further credibility such so I've been granted a number of meetings on the topic with government, so in future before you lie , misrepresent me and condescendingly claim my evidence is merely " anecdotal" have thecommon deceny to tell me how you reached these absurd conclusions?
All this because you do not know the answers to a simple question you ask that has a simple solution?
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For solar energy to work best it will always be on a mass scale so you will always end up paying a power company for suppled power. Just as safety, maintenance, and human desperation will always introduce they’re own implications of costs to energy in the future, they always have.
To give you the answer to Dee's question before addressing your questions. All bikes can be fitted with a shell that would act like a lightweight car body. The issuing of operator’s license and insurance is then as now needed to operate them on roads. In bike lanes or not period. The number of bikes under cover of the body would vary from two to four bikes linked to the shell of the weather protected body and yes, the bikes will lose both speed and their maneuverability as result. As well as some storms will still be off limits and travel would stop.
This process though comes at a price as the real issue of Human Temperature Climate manipulation will still be a major issue as salts and deicers will still be placed on all our roadways. This also means that the storage and the cleaning of the water must be not only accounted for, but it must take place before it is discharged off all roadways into the environment this necessity is a common defense towards the general welfare, the practice would be simple to stop the leading cause of temperature manipulations by humans today. As the first action of claiming responsible for our own actions.
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All this because you do not know the answers to a simple question you ask that has a simple solution?
Right so you ridiculous troll tell me how a man and his partner are to effectively transport their kids to school then cycle 10 to 20 miles to work and repeat the same on the way home is a " brilliant " solution to climate change issues?
Also tell me how solar panels/ electric cars are an affordable option for working class people ?
You did say the solutions are "easy " right?
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E-mail me and I will be happy to send the confidentiality statements for you to sign.
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Right so you ridiculous troll tell me how a man and his partner are to effectively transport their kids to school then cycle 10 to 20 miles to work and repeat the same on the way home is a " brilliant " solution to climate change issues?
Your free-be or pre-existing answer is put a cover over the bike...and people.
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You did say the solutions are "easy " right?
Yes......
Also tell me how solar panels/ electric cars are "MADE" an affordable option for working class people ?
It has to do with energy accumulators......
By the way we need to be honest this will never stop human climate manipulation and to focus on the "War with Nature" Declared. Any attempt at cost suppression is in the wrong location now to help "the people." I'm sorry but it is an open display of lack of ability to address a united states that must help all people as helping only people held by a political state of physical work will never create the neccesary effect. : the creation of a desired impression
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Typical you think typing a pile of gibberish is a " good" response....seriously?
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I know in advance it is not a "Good" response.....I am however holding a United State Constitutional Right to speak at liberty on a public made grievance. Good and bad are not right and wrong. It is possible for something bad to be right, and it is possible for something good to be wrong.
Consultation and troubleshooting are still a line of work a person can perform as something other then Lawyer, Doctor, and other and I am not here to solicit work from people I do not know.
As a writer whose work is protected by international copyright law were applicable an exoskeleton shell as a kit made for bikes, when properly planned to be road legal is the solution to your proposed problem. Do you need projected costs?
Amendment: 4:35 2/21/2023
I have just now deduced what you are describing as Spam…….I apologize.....However I assure you I am however documenting a process of filing on grievance you make. It is not spam to place "Header of a file as Attention Dee / @ Dee." As it does pose inconvenience to you, I will make corrections.
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The poor and wealth Countries alike should pay a proportional cost on America’s price to build a Canal from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. Which by the way had the suggestion been take seriously the life-threatening droughts in America’s South and South-West would have been minimized.
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Argument Topic: You are asking two very specific questions in a very broad subject that I already answered.
Argument topic : Dreamer thinks pretending he answered questions means they go away
Here are the 3 you're still refusing to answer ........
1 : You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Your response was cycling to work was a great way of exercising, seriously? How is that even attempting to address the question?
So tell me how it's affordable?
3: I asked you how electric cars which you admit are unaffordable can be purchased by the working classes you hilariously claim you " care about"
So let's hear it I'm all ears?
It's a debate site snowflake, maybe research your subject instead of constantly parroting the words of others that you don't even comprehend.
. Then, you scold me for responding to others first. Next, I answer anyways doing exactly what you ask I at least tried and you continue to scold me, falsely accuse me of preaching, and falsely accuse me of using a condescending tone
No snowflake I called you out because I was one of the first responders to your preaching and you had no answers as you've just admitted.
when I call out your anecdotal evidence, erroneously declare all my efforts as an appeal to authority, gish gallop, deflection, and irrelevant, attempt to dominate the conversation, and call me a troll.
But my evidence never was " anecdotal " you troll you just st-pidly assumed that. Your whole argument is classic Gish gallop I provided the definition for you and you're to st-pid to even comprehend that.
I'm hiding nothing it's you is hiding by cowering behind you latest so call"expert". You made several totally ridiculous assumptions about me and when corrected make out you're the victim just like the despicable little toad you are.
In contrast I link to experts, public figures that can be verified as experts. Even very knowledgeable people have books to look up information instead of memorizing everything. To demand answers to a specific questions can often be asking too much of even experts in the field, on the spot fallacy.
Who verified them as experts? Name the ones who did ? Stop saying truly things most experts love being asked questions and you are not an expert by any stretch in fact your knowledge on the subject is abysmal, also no one put you" on the spot" , you've admitted your ignorance by stating you cannot answer my questions so why are you still whining about it?
Don't do it to your doctor then I suggest , ive no time for anti vaxers like you.. So now another lie from you these questions are bizarre? Ok expain how?
1 : You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Demonstrate how that question is " bizzare" ?
Demonstrate how that question was" bizzare"?
3: How are electric cars affordable to the working classes you pretend to care for?
Demonstrate how that question was " bizzare"
Dreamer you are an ignorant troll and compulsive ,my first sentence on this debate I said " Climate change is athing"
. All your arguments are against climate change action, a form of climate denial. None of your comments support climate change action.
Another of your ridiculous lies my three questions are regards the expenses and impractically of the solutions being offered up to the working classes you detest
Right so lose your job and cancel school for kids that's your " solution" your id-ocy is astounding, also you just admitted you cannot answer my questions you brain dead troll
Solar panels are the cheapest form of energy now, my sources are popularscience and national public radio
No they are not you clown tell me how you worked out the costs for my country which you don't even know.?
. I even mentioned changing fossil fuel substitutes to clean energy sources, solar. This would make solar energy more affordable. The Ball is in your court to disprove me.
I'm asking about how is it affordable now.?
I was on topic you being a pathetic preacher only want people who agree with you and being an uneducated parrot you keep getting schooled by me and others
You hate the working classes I get that , your attitude is vile and typically favours big business that feigns concern for the working classes whilst fleecing them under the guise of caring for the planet.
More importantly is mitigation. We need to stop polluting as much. Otherwise we will end with lots of refugees and migrants. A one meter rise in sea level would displace 230 million people, source Kulp & Strauss [2019].
Another meaningless link from the preacher reverend Dreamer
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Argument Topic: You are a climate change denier Dee.
Argument topic: Why is Dreamer a compulsive l-ar?
This debate is about reparations, the other debate is about climate change itself on which my opening line was .......
My thoughts are it's a thing, but as usual working class people are the ones who have to pay and bear the brunt of the costs.
This demonstrates clearly you're a l-ar
You again are proving you're an ignorant and uneducated troll who makes up nonsense because you haven't the intelligence to defend other people's views you don't even comprehend
. Everything you post points towards shutting down my ideas on climate change or just relentless ad hominems against me.
More l-es I asked you 3 questions that you admitted you cannot answer and you fly into a rage and attempt to blame others for your ignorance and st-pidity
Calling you a l-ar is not an ad hominem as I keep on proving this to be the case , calling you ignorant and uneducated is another truth as you keep on running around apologising for your total fabrications , lies and distortions from papers you don't understand
But I said climate change is a thing so why do you continue l- ing and making nonsense up? We all know why it's because of your lack of education which leaves you having to parrot and preach the words of others you cannot even comprehend ,you're anignorant science denier
. The goal of Big fossil fuel is to slow or stop climate change action. If you believe so strongly in climate change, why not suggest your own solutions?
Again you're deflecting , you said you care about the working classes when in fact you worship big business profiteering from them as you let it be known you actually detest the working classes as you delight that they cannot afford solar panels or electric cars and you insist they should be forced to cycle to work,
and only the rich you worship should have electric cars and solar panels , you really are a right wing fascist and a science denier.
Ad hominems are red herrings
Yet you kept using them
and defending myself as tempting as it is, only falls for the trap diverting the discussion, which is the goal of a red herring.
Yet here are the 3 questions you claimed are "bizarre" yet you and your panel of "experts" keep running from them ......
1 : You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Demonstrate how that question is " bizzare" ?
Demonstrate how that question was" bizzare"?
3: How are electric cars affordable to the working classes you pretend to care for?
Demonstrate how that question was " bizzare"
Watch him l-e , deflect and run yet again.
No I pointed out " it was a meaningless link proving yet again you're a compulsive l-ar
Again, and again you prove you are a climate change denier Dee.
Yet I stated in your very first sentence my belief climate change is a thing , all you do is lie ,deflect and distort because being a childish uneducated troll your lack of education and abundance of ignorance has been put on show.
Your narrow minded right wing detestation of the poor and denial and hatred of science is scary whats worse is that being a vile hate filled fascist you want anyone who disagrees with you jailed ........wow!
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Yes, declare my peer reviewed article useless. Again, and again you prove you are a climate change denier Dee.
You had written the article or you are citing the article?
That isn't whole truth...you are making an assumption that there are not people who must protect public corporations as a point law, meaning they must do so to a level of competence or face legally criminal not civil penalty. There is no doubt fossil fuel has dangers risks and environmental issues. At one time in America fossil fuel simply oozed its way out of the ground if you doubt this just look at the San Andreas tart pit's. Philadelphia with all its coal also had raw crude making its way to the earth’s surface while indigenous people of those time viewed the ground as cursed as it was surrounded by death.
No, it is a clear demonstration of how it doesn't work. it misses the mark of a perfect state of the union in an American United States Constitutional Right. Human Climate Manipulation is a better label for this grievance file name. Having a civil trial and a court ruling does not make any proposed state of the union a perfect United States and Constitutional Right. In Whole truth it only means under some interpretations of truth a grievance has been filed, by someone in a court, most likely a lawyer, in a way which might appear publicly to be held up for view in first place position in a race to a finish line. Where is the finish line? What is the finish line? Is the finish line a state of the union to united states constitutional right or is it something of less perfect establishment of whole truth?
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Argument Topic: There is way too much to respond to and keep track of. Let's start with the jail clai
ARGUMENT TOPIC : Dreamer cannot answer 3 simple questions on the topic he claims expertise in so instead deflects yet again
Here are the 3 questions self proclaimed "expert" Dreamer refuses to answer as they only affect the working classes he detests......
Yet here are the 3 questions you claimed are "bizarre" yet you and your panel of "experts" keep running from them ......
1 : You never answered how is it reasonable for a working couple to transport children to schools and then travel to work on bicycles in lashing rain, so can you explain how this is even feasible?
Demonstrate how that question is " bizzare" ?
Demonstrate how that question was" bizzare"?
3: How are electric cars affordable to the working classes you pretend to care for?
Demonstrate how that question was " bizzare"
Watch him l-e , deflect and run yet again.
No there wasn't you wanted climate change deniers jailed you were very clear on that , you cannot accept that you messed up and instead list of a load of excuses because you have a serious inability to think things through, you accuse anyone who calls you out on your dreadfully weak arguments as resorting to strawmanning which clearly demonstrates how childishly immature you are.
If you have to make constant excuses for your poorly thought out arguments there's only one person to blame and that's you.
I only wanted to jail the worst of the worst climate change deniers, the equivalent of David Koch, Dr. Mercola, and Andrew Wakefield.
But why not them all ? Why only these? Why not jail all deniers of everything you disagree with?
Why not jail your entire government and everyone in your country who uses ethanol ? As they are consistently and knowingly causing irreparable damage to the environment by the use of ethanol which is 24% more carbon intensive than gasoline? All your so called green friendly agencies in the US call ethanol a " Climate solution " proving they are liars so why not jail them also?
The government in my country which claims to be " green friendly " on advise from the green party over here are buying increasingly more ethanol from the US end of this year and moving forward , all these people are hypocrites money talks and that's all they are interested in
No I'm not holding you to the "worst interpretation " you constantly whine when you cannot back your words up.
What are you rambling on about?
I've read the opinions of this id-otic creature and just to educate you even further John McWhorter professor of linguistics at Columbia who is black said the book was an insult to blacks as it " openly infantalised black people" and simply dehumanised black people.
So again your obsession to childishly label anyone who disagrees with you a racist proves how hopelessly immature and childish you really are.
So your opinion of blacks again has being decided for you by an author who sees blacks as infantile.....wow!.
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