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Pray to GOD,
Make a deal with the devil,
having wisdom to understand the difference between
the two is a test of faith or fact?
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I don't see how god is any more of a fact than that 1 + 1 = 2. God, to put it simply is really just an axiom, a definition. And so the fact of whether or not God is a fact is really whether or not an axiom is a fact. So the question becomes, is it?
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Did you even read the question or are you trying to argue the forum debate name?
We do not make deals with self-evident truth the idea is we make deals with the devil. We as people understand that or not.
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God is a clear truth like matter and energy. For those who recognize the essence of existence in the religious definition as God, God is not a mental concept but the truth of all objects and beings. However, in order to understand this issue, it is necessary to have some preliminaries, which, with the material definition of the world, always appear vague and far from reality. For this reason, many scientists who only work with the perceptions of the five senses, God appears to them as a superstition and mental illusion, while for a person whose level of understanding is higher than the five senses, God is an absolute reality or a He will be a friend and confidant of inner secrets in the life of a believer. So, accepting God is completely related to the level of understanding and acceptance of people.
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Be careful that you are satisfying the arguments and excuses of your mind. There are facts that are beyond the limits of the human mind and senses, and perhaps no reason or logical answer can be given to such facts. But they are real regardless of acceptance or non-acceptance of humans and human science has not yet reached the general understanding and proof of them. There are many similar examples in the history of human science; For example, with all the scientific and technological progress, mankind has not yet realized the secret of newborn turtles, which right after hatching from the egg without a mother, take the path of the sea correctly! Or the very precise and perfect orientation of bats in nature has many ambiguities from the point of view of human science. Do not forget that despite the human knowledge of electromagnetic fields, the Bermuda Triangle area in the North Atlantic Ocean still remains a great mystery. In relation to the category of God, the attitude of people goes back to their worldview and their beliefs. For an atheist, who only believes in the appearances of affairs and the achievements of human science, categories such as God and the soul are considered unreal and imaginary because they are beyond the scope of understanding. And understanding is such a person. But for a person who raised his level of understanding and insight with factors such as religion or spirituality and freed himself from mental and personal obstacles, such facts are obvious and constant in the life of such a person. And because these things have an individual aspect, the level of people's acceptance and belief in these categories is different, and this is an excuse for deniers and materialists, who believe that God and the soul are mental and imaginary things. While it all comes down to the level of people's understanding and the choices and conclusions that a person makes from different phenomena.
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God could be a fact, but the problem is that there's not a single shred of evidence he's a fact, and history is littered with extremely strong clues that he's an invention of the human mind. Belief in things which can't be supported (or even tested) and which, on the balance of probabilities, are unlikely to be true, is at best childish, and at worst outright delusional.
It is self-evident you are not looking for evidence of GOD you said, He.
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