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ARGUMENT TOPIC : DREAMER THE KILLJOY WANTS TO PUNISH ADULTS WHO ENJOY A DRINK OR TWO BECAUSE HE DOESNT THINK IT A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE CHOICE , WHY STOP AT DRINK WHY NOT EATING , STAYING UP LATE , GAMBLING , COPIOUS ANMOUNTS OF SEX , BREATHING TO MUCH AIR ETC ,ETC
alcohol is addictive like opium
No it's not , stop with the ridiculous exaggerations.
and due to alcohol tolerance people tend to drink more and more.
Utter nonsense again more ridiculous exaggerations.
Considering this, ethanol would never be prescribed as a medication for moderate heart health benefits. Once you drink enough all benefits go away and you are more likely to die from heart failure.
More nonsense , obviously you're in a rage over losing family members to alchohol , stop lashing out with sweeping generalisations it doesn't help your cause / crusade.
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Nor do I for the same reason.
The contender Joeseph attempts an ad hominem
No I didn't, I actually called you what you are a killjoy as lots of people enjoy a drink without being victims of alchohol abuse
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What did I assert without evidence?
What Ad Hominem did I make? You admitted you want government intervention to implement your draconian demands all based on your emotional arguments.
, I could make ad hominems too, maybe Joseph works at a bar thus having a conflict of interest. The restrictions I mentioned are reasonable.
I don't work at a bar , the restrictions you mention are unreasonable you thankfully don't get to demand adults follow your dictates.
I suggest you stop making emotional arguments and stop taking out you rage on those who drink responsibly , obviously your preaching didn't work on your relatives your rage is misplaced.
It's exhausting explain this to you , why do you always preach and talk down to others?
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The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented. The World Health Organization has now published a statement in The Lancet Public Health: when it comes to alcohol consumption, there is no safe amount that does not affect health."
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
The myth of drinking responsibly comes from the Big Booze industry.
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Sorry for your loss first and foremost. Lost my wife four years age from copd which of course was brought on by almost 50 years of smoking. They used to just call it emphysema.
The interesting thing about that forbes vice billionaire list is how much gambling is exploited for cash. Only one cigarette related business was on it. Bottom line though is people chose to use what they use. Adults will have their vices. As much as I loved my wife, she was an adult and made her own choices. She was a strong woman but she had her vices. As do I though I quit smoking a little over twenty years ago.
What I find appalling though is the stat concerning 15 years old and older. These kids aren't producing this booze themselves. They're getting it from adults. Can we stop these adults? I'm 100% with you on that if that is part of your objection to alcohol.
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"There is no drinking responsibly."
I know low levels of alcohol were stated to be harmful but there needs to be evidence of how harmful.
Soda and cookies I wouldnt say have positive health benefits but i think you can still be responsible about them.
People have control over there health and if they want to be unhealthy that is there decision.
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So everyone that drinks does so irresponsibly?
Seriously?
It's a great pity you don't do even a tiny bit of research into the health benifits of moderate drinking but people like you don't do that as you prefer to preach and talk down to those who reject your sweeping one size fits all generalistions
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/drinks-to-consume-in-moderation/alcohol-full-story/#:~:text=It's safe to say that,preventable death in most countries.
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No my link doesn't agree with you at all as you said " they mislead us about health benefits of moderate drinking"
Who are " they" ? You keep mentioning " "they.".
You do this every time on every topic such is your need to force your totally skewed position on others.
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What we know about most cancers is that they occur when certain parts and systems in the body are hammered hard. In the case of alcos I think you’ll find that all that abuse affects the body in many ways. The pancreas and the liver and kidneys all get pushed beyond there limits so it’s no wonder all those cells are going to mutate and get cancerus.
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ARGUMENT TOPIC: DREAMER IS STILL PREACHING AS HE CLEARLY STATED..............There is no drinking responsibly........YET REFUSES TO ANSWER WHAT I ASKED WHICH REMAINS......
So everyone that drinks does so irresponsibly? Seriously?
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Alcohol is probably more dangerous than heroin
Well most everyone I know enjoys a drink without ill effect the same certainly cannot be said for heroin.
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I think most people who aren't alcoholics have a fair idea of moderation in drink , food etc, etc .
Nonsense , almost everyone I know is a social drinker and none are addicted ,also consumption does not go up for most , why do you keep making stuff up?
This may lead to alcohol dependence.
Wow! " may lead" you can say the same about anything.
That's why I am of the opinion that any amount of drinking is irresponsible.
Well don't drink then but stop preaching to others you little Hitler.
Right so your contention is that the majority of people who drink keep increasing the amount they drink? Seriously?
The majority of people who drink get the very same effect from the amount they drink without ever increasing it , I just bet you've never drank , you're like a virgin going on about sex.
How do you know its not the truth? Also most drinkers are not addicts.
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Deaths from Excessive Alcohol Use in the United States | CDC
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I am drinking a glass of fine whiskey as I am reading this thread. Mmm!
Enjoy , have another, a bird never flew on one wing .......
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Okay we have reached the end of the debate with you using ad hominem, strong loaded words, and analogies
You're not debating , you're preaching.
Godwin's law
I stated you're a little Hitler , that's exactly what you are lecturing others on how they should behave.
You really mean I called you out on your lies ,distortions and fabrications and you don't like it.
As for people around you being moderate drinkers this anecdotal fallacy. How would you know?
Oh right so they're all really alcoholics and very good at covering it....seriously? How did you know your relative was a booze hound.
Active addicts are extremely good at lying.
Right , got ya all drinkers are addicts and liars.
So unless you watched them 24 hours a day or had them take a blood test you wouldn't know.
Right all drinkers are alcoholics that's your contention.
You left out that they're Abusers of alcholol you dishonest pr-ck.
Deaths from Excessive Alcohol Use in the United States | CDC
But I mentioned responsible drinking you dishonest pr-ck
Yes, that's what happens alcoholics you id- ot, you're arguing cases I never made.
What are you ranting about you clown?
You're not debating you're preaching and comparing everyone who drinks to your alcoholic weak willed family.
Gee thanks , most are aware you troll.
Big Booze wants us ignorant and misinformed in the name of higher profits.
Do they indeed? Yet drink companies here have to tell people the dangers of misuse of their products so that's yet another of your lies laid to rest.
How can people drink in moderation or responsibly if they are both ignorance and misinformed via a disinformation industry of non-profits funded by Big Booze?
The only one ignorant of the dangers of booze seem to be your family members who were too dumb to take heed so lay off with the little Hitler act demanding people are punished for enjoying themselves
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Pay no attention to @Joeseph. He's just a mean drunk. LOL
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Pay no attention to @Joeseph. He's just a mean drunk. LOL
I've never been drunk in my life , but I may have to get drunk if I have to plug your mother for a bet
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Wrong. Heroin is a proprietary pain killer and although the synthetic versions are used mostly nower days it is far less harmless than alcohol in terms of its affects and the side affects and social affects. Taken in moderation both drugs can be beneficial and cause no problems. When both are abused it is alcohol that has far more damaging affects on the body and is the largest cause of physical violence leading to harm and death.
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Wrong.Youre actually ignoring and denying what I said which was " most people I know enjoy a drink without ill effect"
Every person l know who got involved with heroin is dead or addicted or eventually kicked the habit.
What's staggering to me is the fact that of the opioid crisis in the US fuelled by the Sackler family which wreaked havoc in the US yet here you are defending its usage ,you're also saying heroin is a drug that one can and does use casually .....seriously are you for real?
Incidentally we all know of alchohol abuse and its effects , is your contention that the majority abuse it?
Incidentally the most addictive substances known to man are in order .....
1: Heroin
2: Cocaine
3:Nicotine
4: Barbiturates
5: Alchol
Yet here you are making a case for heroin WOW,,,,,,,,,,,
Tobacco, obesity ,inactivity and drugs kill more in the US every year than alchol , the leading cause of death in the US is caused by heart disease, ctheses are all.facts .....
Drug poisoning accounted for 756,160 deaths,3 while 374,197 deaths were alcohol-induced.
Just bet you still deny this.
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Totally.
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For f**k sake.
Oh well like derr your totally right there. I did f**king ignore what you said but hay. Heres the rub. I dont deny it one single bit. You actually and for all in tents and purposes did actually say that in point and fact. There is absolutely no despute from this end what so ever. But its just that when you say Most people I know tells me one thing. Like what you actually know about the effects of alcohol and heroin could be written in headline type a cross a fleas nuts.
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And for your effing info. Since your in tent on quoting dum miss leading stats. We were talking about Heroin right? Yes right.
Does drug poisoning mean heroin only? No it doesnt.
Does drug poisoning include every drug known to man kind including alcohol? Yes it does.
Do you need to get a descent education? Yes
Do you need to get some more friends other than than the 2 la de das that you all ready associate with and go silly after 1 galss of Chardonnay? Yes.
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But its just that when you say Most people I know tells me one thing. Like what you actually know about the effects of alcohol and heroin could be written in headline type a cross a fleas nuts.
Well that doesn't say much for you then you id-ot as you actually said .......heroin is far less harmless than alcohol in terms of its affects and the side affects and social affects.
What planet do you live on you dumb f-ck? Pretty sad a European has to educate you on what's happening in your own country.
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come on lighten up. Just because you got totally defeated on a topic that you know totally nothing about
Your better off arguing about psycologists and dum scam web sites that sell crap. Al least every one here pzzes them selves listening to that crap.
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come on lighten up.
Your the one needs to lighten up you big gurl , you're to terrified to have a beer in case you become an alco you and Dreamer should form a killjoy club where everyone is in bed at 9 with a cup of hot chocolate and a bible.
Just because you got totally defeated on a topic that you know totally nothing about
You mean like me having to explain to you that heroin is addictive and lethal.......LOL
Your better off arguing about psycologists and dum scam web sites that sell crap
You mean like your Pakistan made Nikes , why would i argue that when a d-mb f-ck like you would go on buying them anyway?
Ha , ha you're still sore 73 pscholgists along with me are still laughing at you ........booooò hooooooo
Al least every one here pzzes them selves listening to that crap.
Chr-st even for a yank you're one dumb f-ck..........lighten up take non binrary Dreamer out for a bottle or two of that piss water ( Bud) you id-otic yanks classify as beer you never know you might get the leg over ........yeeeeeee haaaaaaaa
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Oh no thats not what I mean. I take full responsibility for not explaining that. Like its about you explaining that heroin is more addictive and lethal than alcohol and causes more damage to society than heroin.
Heres a clue. You actually might have to actually do some real research on real responsible legit sites that arent extreme and that arent littered with scams.
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Right got ya everything you disagree with is because the information is from a scam site.........
Barndoor makes up lies gets caught and gets whipped again.
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Bardoor caught lying and making stuff up.....again .....my work here is done.
Run along now it must be 7 in the evening over there , go get Dreamer ready for bed bible study and a nice glass of hot milk ......you pair of wet blankets
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Yes right. Yep you’re quiet right there and um yep well yessir um that’s right and yeah. I can see through it all though. Very smart I have to say.
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Know your place boy ........did you wag your finger at anyone you seen have a beer over the weekend? You got to let them know you're not pleased at people having fun.
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Welcome back. What is the line where you think a person should be allowed to make their own decisions even if what they are doing may have some negative effects? For example, you have said we should not allow alcohol consumption because it causes health problems and drunk driving causes deaths, but someone else could make the same argument with certain sexual practices and then claim we should outlaw those practices because they substantially increase the risks of some cancers, and they increase the risk of communicable and possibly deadly diseases like AIDS. How do you rationalize one but not the other?
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Well may be there is a viscous circle going on here. You have so many problems with your crapy ancient 3rd world laptop and you have to wait so long for the screen to re fresh that you take slugs of vodka in between. Then you get to frustrated trying to answer the questions that your got fat chance of getting a job any way. Then one day your going to sober up and think to your self wow this is costing me a real heap full of money.
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Also, this whole time ive always thought barnadot was a girl. If i knew that then i wouldnt be so nice.
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I like your argument and sums it up quiet rightly.
I said it before that if I had a choice between 2 Uber drivers and one was on heroin and the other was drunk I would choose the heroin driver any day.
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