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And if you believe that, you will believe anything.
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And thats what its all about nower days really. Christianity had a use in the old days but when you analize it in the end it is just a conduit for chanelling spiritual beliefs. So its all just cymbolic and most people in this day and age know very well that its impossible to believe that some mystical thing created the universe.
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It could of bean worse. What if God only thought about half of anything. There would be no colors and every thing would be white. And he would have flew a round the universe in a Holdin Pickup doing donuts at every galaxy.
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As an apostate I can tell you with assurance the average christian would tell you 'as an expression of love'. That of course begs the question why after eons and eons of eternal time couldn't god create a perfect society without hell and evil? Guess the old bible verse 'nothing is impossible with god' is a lie or god ain't all that.
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And then along come you people....
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Amazing the number of coincidences that the characteristics of god has with its human creators, isn't it?
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God is past, present, and future all at the same time. Does God experience time as the A theory of time or tense theory of time, or a B theory of time where there is an ordered events, but not really a past present, or future? Who knows. By the way, these two views are very much debated among physicists.
So, the quick answer was God wasn't sitting around. God's intention to create the universe begins with the creation of the universe because there is no time before the creation of the universe. Further, every time the Bible touches on the issue of why did God create the universe, or man, the response is 'for His glory." .
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Wow! Yet another uneducated American "Christian" who hasn't a clue what he's on about , you really need to open a bible.....
And to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly
realms (Ephesians 3:9,10
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When students of Scripture and history reflect upon the wars and death and suffering and calamity that manifests throughout the Torah and subsequently to this very day, they wonder why a loving and compassionate Creator would permit such chaos. What most do NOT understand is the causation and purposes under girding our creation and this temporary Realm of Time constrained by physics.
You and I are in this cosmic vacuum due to an unfathomable war that was initiated in the Kingdom of Elohim before Time was created and all that we perceive with our senses and beyond is the resultant of that war and Elohim’s endeavor to restore order and peace to His Kingdom while simultaneously maintaining volitional love with His angelic creation; an angelic creation that Elohim loves and cherishes beyond human comprehension.
It is critical to understanding causation for the creation narrative that the previous 6000-years of horror are a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will exists by necessity; this, as Elohim is allowing the evil introduced by a rebellious anointed cherub angel to play-out within the constraints of Time and physics for all to see and the conclusion of the matter will be that obedience and loyalty to Elohim and His sovereignty is the only sustainable path to a life (both spiritual and physical) worth living and that rebellion, selfishness, covetousness, self-righteousness, are unsustainable pathways to horror, sorrow, death, nihilism.
All that we confront with our senses in this temporary life within a temporary World and Heaven is an eschatological bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will remains extant by necessity concerning intimacy with Elohim. The primary reason Messiah Jesus entered the Realm of Time was to defeat, destroy, the works of that rebellious anointed cherub and the one-third of the angelic creation that followed him in the Great Kingdom War (1 John 3:8b); this, with the precarious strategy of maintaining volitional love with His cherished angelic creation.
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Elohim explains causation, reasoning, for the creation narrative from the Genesis to the Revelation; in fact, we see the introduction of the major players, the war, the battle strategy, introduced within the first-three chapters of the Genesis narrative.
— In Genesis 1:1, “Elohim” introduces Himself via a plural noun with a singular verb.
— In Genesis 1:2, The Holy Spirit introduces Himself as the Logistical Overseer of all things created.
— In Genesis 1:26-28, we see the collaboration of Elohim as “Us” and “Our” – Father-Son-Spirit creating the complex human genome in the spiritual image of Elohim thereby imparting certain divine communicable attributes into the human genome specifically for Elohim’s eschatological purposes going forward.
— In Genesis 3, we’re introduced to the rebellious cherub angel that initiated the Kingdom War and that angel has been extricated from the Kingdom and placed partially within the constraints of Time and physics and allowed access to human kind (Ezekiel 28:11+); this, as Jesus tells us that He watched Satan fall from Heaven like lightening (Luke 10:18).
— In Genesis 3:15, we see the declaration of war between Satan and Jesus (Jesus, born of the virgin seed of the woman to circumvent the Adamic sin-nature) and the prophecy that Messiah would be victorious over Satan as crushing the head of Satan but that Jesus would not be unscathed but receive a “bruised heal”…a death suffered on the Cross.
— In Genesis 3:21, we see the divine battle strategy, the Gospel, that Elohim would employ to defeat the works of the Devil (death-Hell-the grave) through the imputation of righteousness, a gifting of righteousness that Elohim, Himself, would provide via the shedding of innocent blood to clothe sinful humanity in an imputed “robe of righteousness” that mankind could not earn, did not deserve; this, as Elohim rejected the works of mankind to cover his own sin and shame by the works of his hands exemplified by the “fig leaves” Adam used to cover his own shame and nakedness. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ which was ordained “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10).
Conclusion,
From the Genesis forward, we see Elohim’s eschatological plan working through and around human kind’s free will choices; this, through the Adamic and Noahic generations, through Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Messiah…this eschatological plan can be followed through the Scriptures as the Holy Spirit methodically explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning the Realm of Time, our purpose within it, and the closure of Time and physics, the New Heaven and the New Earth, the New Jerusalem. All one must do is possess a heart that is willing to receive and believe and seek and study via our Divine Teacher, the precious indwelling Holy Spirit given to all who “believe” Jesus is Messiah (Ephesians 1:13-14; 1 John 2:27).
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First, Penrose math is about the nature of the pre-universe, and post-universe periods in his research. He isn't trying to prove God, I just mentioned it because I wanted to give you a scientific point of reference for the idea of how time works.
You have falsely stated that God could not create a perfect universe. I've pointed out, that God could not truly create a world with love in it if there was no free will. True love is given freely, not compelled. God could have created a world without evil, but a world with love in it , requires free will. Free will permits the possibility of sin. You have demanded a logically inconsistent fallacy - you want a world with free will to love, but not have any free will. Logically, a world has free will or it doesn't. If it has free will, then it must accept the consequences of free will. This is not a problem on God's part, but, and I don't mean to be rude, a lack of understanding of logical fallacies on your part. You might as well have asked God to create of world full of dogs but no dogs are permitted to exist. Again, I don't think the problem is God's, but your understanding of what free will entails.
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How does the Bible verse contradict what I mentioned about how God created the universe and us for his glory? I'm not following you.
The surrounding context of the passage you cite is:
Though I am the least deserving of all God’s people, he graciously gave me the privilege of telling the Gentiles about the endless treasures available to them in Christ. 9 I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.
He is specifically talking about Jesus taking away our sins on the cross.
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If God knows what we will do in the future, we have no free will. Our actions are predetermined.
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I recognize that your argument is a straw man,
One of many, many continuous errors on your part. Perhaps you didn't understand my argument because I use facts and logic which are incompatible with the blind faith you use.
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You cite angels to argue for free will? Seriously?
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Within this framework, the hypothesis suggests that the sustenance of entities, including biological organisms, is contingent upon the acquisition and utilization of energy, as dictated by thermodynamic principles. It emphasizes the role of energy transfer and transformation, rather than anthropomorphic concepts such as prayer, in sustaining the functionality and vitality of organisms.The resilience of political regimes, such as that observed in North Korea, is attributed to geopolitical strategies, economic policies, and sociopolitical dynamics, rather than metaphysical concepts. While rituals and cultural practices may influence social cohesion and political stability, their impact is analyzed within the context of sociological and psychological frameworks, rather than as sources of tangible energy.The hypothesis underscores the universal applicability of physical laws governing energy exchange and transformation. It posits that all entities, from subatomic particles to celestial bodies, operate within a framework governed by these laws, which facilitate the realization of objectives through natural processes.
Moreover, the hypothesis acknowledges the functional role of human life within ecosystems and Earth's biosphere, as supported by ecological principles and evolutionary biology. It rejects notions of human exceptionalism and emphasizes the interconnectedness of all organisms within the web of life.
In summary, the hypothesis aligns with established scientific principles and empirical evidence, emphasizing the role of physical processes and natural laws in shaping the universe and sustaining life forms within it.Additionally, the hypothesis encourages further exploration and experimentation within the scientific community to elucidate the mechanisms underlying universal origins and energy dynamics, rather than relying on speculative or metaphysical explanations.
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I think The real question is,
If inhabitants of a simulated world were indistinguishable from humans in terms of their experiences and perceptions, would their reality be any less valid?
How would we define the boundary between simulation and reality?
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Can an AI have consciousness?
Can the fictious god of your choice?
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