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Your last post to me wash simply an interesting opinion about racism. First you tell me that everybody does it, then you IMPLY that this is somehow a bad thing. I can only conclude that you feel that I am backing you into a corner, so you are creating a misdirection in the hope that you can lead me away from where you fear to tread?
One reason why I think that you know I am cornering you, is that you once again refused to answer a crucial question that I politely asked you. I can tell a lot more about my opponents thinking from the questions they dodge, than anything they say, maxx
Here is the problem, maxx. Western civilisation, my civilisation and your civilisation, is in real trouble. What is causing our crime rates to rise to levels undreamed of 100 years ago has to be identified and addressed rationally before our societies become just as dysfunctional as Haiti.
There are many causes for our societal disintegration, but one important one is that western society refuses to acknowledge that some ethnicities are always a problem. And the reason for that is because races are not equal. Dysfunctional races are that way because they have a collective bell curve of IQ much lower than for functional races. And, because they have a genetic proneness for violence at a much higher rate than for other races.
The foundation of democracy is freedom of speech. A free people must be able to vote for politicians who will implement policies for the common good. And those free people must be free to discuss any subject which will affect their lives personally. But this overriding principle of freedom of speech is being violated in every western country where maintaining some semblance of social cohesion is considered more important than speaking the truth
The degree to which the inconvenient truth is being suppressed is mind blowing
Canada is proposing that people like me should be jailed for life. Scotland wants to make racist thoughts a Thoughtcrime . Ireland is thinking along the same way. In Australia, our Council For Civil Liberties and Human Rights is the very agency which will prosecute anyone who even suggests that races may not be equal
And you, maxx are a part of the forces destroying your own civilisation. Although you have never come right out and claimed that you support CRT., it is something which you obviously do support. If you want to blame my race and your race for the genetic problems of other races, then all I can do is to show how you are wrong and get you to start thinking straight.
People can alway be relied upon to think straight when the world turns to shiit and they run out of excuses trying to defend the principles they have cherished for so long, which got them there in the first place. You are not ready to think straight yet, but hopefully you are beginning to realise that the belief system that was inculcated into your youthful mind is insufficient to explain why the world you and your future family wish to live in is going belly up.
Here is a social experiment that you can observe over the next ten years to test your own belief system. It is obvious that Haiti is ungovernable so most of its population is going to flee to the USA because of the Democratic Partys open border policy. Wherever these people settle in the USA , all they are going to do is recreate Haiti, only this time you and your family will be footing the bill for their upkeep.
South America, although richer in resources then North America, is, and always will be a shiithole. All that Hispanic immigration into the USA will achieve is to steadily make North America a copy of South America. When you have ruined your own country because you want to avert your eyes from what you just do not want to see, where will you run to to get away from the dysfunctional people you champion, but prefer to keep at arms length, maxx?
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Typical maxx debating tactics.
1. Never answer any question put to you.
2. Always start your reply with a $64,000 dollar leading question to your opponent.
Regardless of race, du- mb people who are violent are the primary problem in every western democratic society. Unfortunately, the proportions of people who have low IQ and a genetic predisposition to violent behaviour, differs glaringly from race to race.
However, this easily understood fact is denied by the socialist left because it contradicts their "all humans are equal" narrative. Since an explanation is needed to explain away the fact that in competitive Western societies, certain ethnicities just can't cut it, the Left is proposing the rather wacky ide that it's all the white guys fault.
This is pushed by the Lef as the only possible reason for minority dysfunction because the Left has abandoned its traditional white, working class electorate and it sees more electoral advantage in supporting the ever growing numbers of dysfunctional minority voters in Western democratic societies.
This is why the Left supports open borders. It is also why the Left will violate the foundation of democracy by opposing free speech. No valid criticism of their new electorate can be tolerated.
Just as in Russia, North Korea, Cuba, or China, the political elites, oligarchs, big business and their senior Leftist allies, who are mainly senior public servants, simply do not care if their own nations turn into third world shiitholes, provided that they remain at the top of the pyramid, with all the money, power, and young girls that their tongues can handle
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Your humanitarian ideology is bankrupt logically. All of the trouble that we are seeing today in Europe, the USA, and Australia is because people like you refused to listen to people like me. Things are just going to get worse and worse until eventually, you will have to realise that your "all races are equal" ideology is wrong.
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Evidence that racisim in inherent in all please? also, please elaborate on this bit @maxx. This to me sounds like language f*cking. And it's this misuse of language exhibited by far leftists SJCs that often give leverage to the far right fundamentalists.
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Maxx is right. Human beings are tribal and territorial and that is part of our DNA. I myself was once a staunch anti racist , until I realised that the most prominent anti racists were very racist. They were extremely racist towards white people, who just happened to be my people and probably your people.
Another factor in the whole racist hypocrisy was expressed by the Jews. No other race in history has suffered more from racism than the Jews. In my own country, many prominent Jews are loudly anti racist, and support a non discriminatory immigration policy into Australia. But these same people support the exclusively Jewish state of Israel which itself has a racially discriminatory immigration policy.
So, it is all hypocrisy. Everybody does it.
Lastly comes the rather glaring fact that women from dysfunctional races prefer to marry white men. Most prominent black women marry white men. OT is not hard to figure out why that is. Here in Australia, aboriginal women are 15 times more likely to either be murdered or end up in ICU than the women of any other race. Black men have always been traditionally violent to their wives, spouses, or " bi- there's.
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I think it's a fair point , humans notice differences and those differences can and are perceived positively or negatively normally if one is not deemed part of the group the perception is negative.
As an Irishman most nearly every person on here ( majority Americans) have made the most vile vicious hate filled remarks about the Irish I can only imagine what it's like for one unfortunate enough to be black in the US .
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That's tribalism; not racism. Tribalism involves strong loyalty and identification with one's own group, often leading to distrust or hostility towards outsiders. This inclination towards in-group favoritism and suspicion of outsiders can indeed be traced back to human evolutionary history, where group cohesion and cooperation were essential for survival.
Racism, on the other hand, specifically involves prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against individuals or groups based on their race or ethnicity. While tribalism may contribute to the formation of racial biases, racism encompasses a broader range of attitudes and behaviors that are specifically targeted at individuals or groups based on racial characteristics.
Big difference @maxx. And you even said it yourself; racism is but a word. I of course can't stop you from your language f*cking nonsense and if you so wish to conflate the two then that is your choice. Won't make it true though.
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Racism is just another facet of in group/ out group hostility, and everyone is guilty of that. It has been going on since the first proto human being tossed rocks at other proto human beings that were trespassing on their claimed territory.
If racism was just about race, then why is it that "anti racist" legislation that supposedly protects one race from discrimination, always gets " mission creep" and always gets extended to include every religious, ethnic, and sexual group which the loony left pretends to be the protectors of?
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The looney left also states everyone is racist by default. Like what you are doing. You sure you not a far lefty? You and maxx definitely sound woke!
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No they do not. The loony left never recognises their own racism towards white people. Neither do they criticise the racism from race baiting, usually self appointed ," community leaders" like Al Sharpton. Thete are plenty of sites on you tube where black activists claim that blacks can not be racist to whites. Which, if you ever bothered to think about it, is racism.
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Ok, they claim all that all whites are racist by default. You and maxx claim all people are racist by default. However both claims are blanket statements that lack substance. The only thing that will change that is demonstrable empirical evidence.
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The is a debate sites, not a court of law. If you insist that your opponents must provide irrefutable proof for every statement that they make, then two can play at that game.
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Let's examine your shallow logic from another perspective, Zeus. At present, there are only two racist explanations to account for the indisputable fact that some ethnicities, regardless of which western society they abide in, are always dysfunctional.
1. It is all the white guys fault.
2. Races are different with different strengths or weaknesses caused by their genetic differences which came about from adapting to the environments which they evolved in.
Now, which racist explanation do you support? And if you claim that you are not racist, then submit another non racist explanaton to explain away this self evident reality.
Don't forget, you can't use a racist explanation or you will prove yourself wrong.
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No, I was highlighting the logical error in your post which was an equivocation fallacy among other things such as definist fallacies as well. Now back to the matter at hand - evidence. You posted many things here. So would you be able provide me with the actual link or links where there is evidence to suggest that everyone is born racist. Because as it stands this argument doesn't align with the contemporary research I have studied on this so far.
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What you have failed to show is that racism is "inherent in all people". The fact that there exist incentives to be racist, or that it has been observed throughout history, does not imply that it is "inherent in all people". Consider something else that has been observed throughout history and for which there have been strong incentives: rape. Is, in your view, rape inherent in all people?
I do not know how you feel, but I do not at all feel different about people of other races. Someone having a darker skin color than mine does not even register in my mind: this is just not something my social radar perceives as relevant to anything. Is, in your view, something broken in me, some essential biological mechanism missing? I would like to hear your explanation.
I will add that projection is very common when discussing things like this. I remember Trevor Noah in conversation with a guest say, "When someone says that they do not see race, I do not believe them". To me that says a lot more about Trevor than those people he talks about.
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You are also wrong about me specifically: I am much more attracted to people who differ from me strongly, than those who are very similar to me. I prefer adventure over comfort, and there are biological reasons behind that as well: historically humans were nomads, seeking new lands full of untamed potential. Snuggling with their loved ones in the comfort of their home is a very recent phenomenon, and just 10,000 years ago nobody lived like that.
I get where you are coming from, and there are some incentives to be wary of those who look different from you. I still fail to see how that supports your claim that "racism is inherent in all humans" though.
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Please address my actual points. This is not a monologue. You do not have to repeat your position multiple times: I understood it and replied to it. Now please reply to me.
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Most of the time, in fact, wrongly, racism is assumed as an element of natural or innate human behavior. It is, on the other hand, not a simple biological determination and does not fit at all into a simple evolutionary theory. While human history and psychology are pointing toward tendencies of in-group bias and out-group bias, it is by no means sufficient for explaining how such tendencies have translated into racially discriminating practices in complex and multifaceted societies around the world. It is not a fixed aspect of human nature that makes up today's racism, but rather a construct that is institutionally tediously developed and perpetuated tediously through social norms, cultural practices, and economic systems.
This assertion that human biological occurrence is at the base of racism is an absolute ignoramus on the powerful role which cultural and social dynamics play in determining racial ideologies. As a matter of fact, scholars like Nell Irvin Painter, Ibram X. Kendi, and geneticists like Adam Rutherford, among others, have gone on to establish the fact that there is no basis, genetic or biological, for such kinds of differences among races. By contrast, historical and contemporary shifts in racial categorizations demonstrate that racial categories are fluid and arbitrarily determined constructs that illustrate fully the way in which power and social institutions engage in the construction and maintenance of racism.
While evolutionary psychology brings into play human tendencies of tribalism, group preferences by themselves don't unequivocally lead, in the evolved basic cognitive faculties, to the complex racial hierarchies that are prevalent today. The leap from simple in-group preference to systemic racism is made by cultural evolution and social construction, not by biological determinism. The same is proved by works of such researchers as Henri Tajfel and Steven Pinker, which claim that even if humans are to have a certain tendency to label others within, explicit forms and expressions of racism are, to a great extent, a subject to be generated from social influences and historical contexts.
Despite the enormous change in the social and political scene, it seems that racial ideologies have great resilience in adapting during their process of evolution to further maintain power hierarchies and systemic inequalities. This adaptability has reflected that the core structure of societies has definitely changed, and thus the idea that racism is unchangeable or something static within human societies is challenged. This provides further evidence of the difficulty in removing racism, since such disparities continue within societies that have gone through legal and political reform.
These demonstrate, through the lens of history, human capacities to recognize, challenge, and change oppressive structures rather than being a part of human nature one cannot change—from abolition and suffrage to the civil rights movement and the breakdown of apartheid. These points underline the dynamic possibility and importance of collective social change in action to confront and overcome racism.
The interplay between them, and the interrelationship of human tendencies with social construction and historical development, can never lose sight of the fight against racism. It, therefore, would require an approach that explains racism not only in its manifestations but points towards its psychological, cultural, and structural underpinnings.
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My message to you above answers your question if you care to read. It's very clear you haven't read it. If you had you would realise it addresses your previous post.
You would also realise that it's not ai generated. In any case there are plenty of ai and plagerism checkers out there. So feel free to check that first before accusing me of doing that. Also preferably actually read what was said first too.
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di @ZeusAres42
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1) it promotes racism - Leftism promotes Affirmative action and DEI policies which instead of judging a person based on their individual merits, favors or discriminates against them based on their race in admission, hiring, promotions, benefits, awarding scholarships, grants, contracts, or awards. This dehumanizes the individual and makes them nothing but an automaton that is reduced to just their race. This is a perversion of justice. True justice is about rewarding or punishing someone based on their actions and merit, not their racial group. So, I hate leftism because its racist.
2) Leftism cares for its financial supporters, not children. We all know why teacher's unions, and Democrats who get lots of money from teacher's unions, oppose school choice, but just how does it help that poor Black child trapped in a failed public school? She deserves a good education NOW. Democrats want to say 'just give us more money and will fix the problem'. The reality is that they said that last election, and more money was given, and the election before that, and the election before that. In fact they have said that for at least 75+ years, and many of the same schools that are bad today, were bad back then also. Just how many centuries does a child need to wait to get a good education? Apparently, for leftists the answer is 'forever'. So, I hate leftism because it is racist - again.
3) Leftism ignores the interests of the weak. Leftists largely are pro-baby killing. They believe it is OK to kill an innocent human life. They do not give that unborn child a voice for her choice in the matter. Instead, they ignore the interests of the weakest and most vulnerable among us. And then have the audacity to say that their baby killing is good baby killing. So I hate leftism because it kills the innocent.
4) Leftism hurts the poor. According to Obama's Civil Rights Commission on Illegal Immigration, illegal labor costs poor Black workers between $1,000 - $2,000 a year in reduced wages. Leftists tore down Trump's wall and fought to keep states from enforcing immigration laws. This hurts poor Black workers the most. Yet, leftists don't care about them.
Further, leftists support minimum wage hikes which are shown to reduce the jobs, hours and benefits of low skilled workers. Even though the vast bulk of research shows this to be true, leftists are committed to hurting the poor.
But wait, they aren't done hurting poor people, in States like California, they create massive amounts of laws which make building homes more expensive or impractical. That's why housing in California is 97% more expensive than other states. 1/5th of the homeless are living in the state with the most laws preventing homes from being built.
But wait, there are more attacks on the poor. Leftists push climate change rules which cost the poor greatly, but which will have little impact on the global temperature. For example if we had zero CO2 emissions today, the global temperature abatement from its expected increase would be negligible. From Heritage:
Yet, leftists have pushed laws which have increased energy costs substantially, and in return increased the costs of everything that uses transportation and energy. The net result is that it costs $700 more a month for the average person to buy the same things they did under Trump.
The cost of an EV car is on average $20,000 more than a gas powered car and according to the most recent statistics - it will cost more to power it than it would a gas powered car. So, I hate leftists because they hate the poor.
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The far lefts motto has always been an "ends justifies the means" approach on forcing their ideology on everyone. Thinking they know best with complete indifference to the types of betrayal you've listed in your post. That's what makes me dislike and distrust them. Ideology is more important than humane solutions.
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Go get him, just-sayin! Sick'em, fang!
Here is a Youtube vid to aid your argument. "Detroit School Board Boss is Illiterate."
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1) While Obama and Biden fought to shut down the only federal school voucher program in the US (DC), Trump fought to expand school vouchers throughout the US. 69% of all school vouchers go to minority poor kids. Who benefits from kids getting to go to good schools? Not leftists or the teacher unions who support them, but Black families do.
2) Trump fought to expand the amount of grants going to HBCUs and forgive them for massive debt - something Obama-Biden refused to do. He increased funding to HBCU by 14%. He forgave 300 million in debt at HCBUs.
3) Trump created empowerment zones where a Black business owner could more easily create or expand his business. This was not allowed by Obama-Biden.
4) Trump's policies lowered the unemployment of Black workers to record lows. Obama didn't do that. Trump created 1.4 million Black jobs - before COVID hit.
5) Trump fought against illegal labor which disproportionately reduces the wages of Black workers and makes it harder for them to negotiate higher wages. Biden proverbially spat in the face of every Black worker in America.
6) Trump pushed through the First Step act which reduced the mandatory sentences of non-violent drug crimes. 90 percent of the people helped were Black. In contrast Democrats fought to defund the police and for no bail for violent offenders making Black neighborhoods more violent and resulting in a huge surge of Black deaths.
Biden gave poor Black people's jobs to illegal workers. He kept poor Black children chained to bad public schools. He pushed DEI policies that falsely teach Black children that they can't get ahead because of the white man and that their personal effort and choices mean nothing but are just a lie of the white man. Biden's support of no bail policies and low regard of police increased violent crime in Black neighborhoods.
Biden's evil behavior gets a pass from many in the media For example, Biden tried to alter a Trump policy where schools had to record if a teacher or administrator had engaged in sexual misconduct with a student. Think about that for a moment. Why shouldn't that information be counted and reported to the DOE? We all see how that helps teacher unions trying to cover up the 15,000 or so instances of sexual misconduct by educators in the public school a year, but how does it help the children? Fortunately, conservative made such a big deal about it, Biden backed down. However, the media didn't seem interested in why he was protecting pedophiles in the first place.
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Why would you even think he had a problem with legal immigrants when he is married to one.
You really need to start to doing your own fact checking instead of believing everything you read through the propogandized media circus.
It really frustrates me when people like you who can't or won't take the time to try and get to the whole truth of matters. You just take the word of what the legacy media's says and wants you to think.
@maxx
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The most outstanding feature of President Trump is that he acts like a leader who is in control. . Even though he now has 91 trumped up charges levelled against him by a corrupt US Justice system, which could conceivably land him in jail for 700 years and take all of his considerable assets, he acts completely cool, and he exudes confidence. This is exactly what people look for in a leader. A person who never loses his cool when the world turns upside down. Leaders like that have always inspired their people, especially when things go south.
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