@ZeusAres42

That was good. LOL The one I would challenge is this one:

• Be radically skeptical of liberalism.

I think the far left manual would read "Be radically skeptical of conservatism" 

@ZeusAres42

Touché!

The truly tragic thing is all this woke , gender nonsense and PC tripe has dreadful consequences on people who challenge it.especially in the work place where people are outed , reprimanded and sacked for not adhering to over the top woke agendas.

Years ago all I needed to know was your name to interact with you now apparently I need to know if you identify as male   female other and your preferred pronouns or I'm labelled a bigoted facist and " cancelled" , the world is gone nuts.

Companies employ top heavy HR clowns who's job is to shut people up and protect the status quo as in the shareholders interests, the tactic mostly used is bully individuals to adopt their policies which leaves companies in the excellent postion of having employees to scared to complain about anything.

Years ago on here i was called a " monster" for refusing to accept that I was not male but in fact " cisgender" and my failure to accept this re -labelling  demonstrated clearly my hatred towards those struggling witĥ " gender challenges" , f-cking nonsense.

The tragedy is academia has now several degree courses for individuals who embrace this nonsense which attempt to give it an air of Academic excellence , I think it falls under the label of postmodernism.

jack said:

ZeusAres42 said:

Here is a quick manual for being a Far Leftist Extremist, CSJ, Wokist, etc:

• Adopt a radical skepticism towards science.

Hello Z:

Well, you got the first one wrong, and things went downhill after that.

excon

I would suggest the fact leftists can not provide a definition for what a woman is, even though they make up 50% of the population, is exhibit A against your claim.  

I would also point out leftists belief that an unborn child is not a living human is another example of science denial.

Another popular science denial is leftist's opposition to GMOs, which have been found to be safe and can help produce more food in poor countries.  

Another example would be leftists who deny that a biological male has any advantage against biological females in sporting events.  

All of these are common examples of science denials among leftists.

jack said:

ZeusAres42 said:

Here is a quick manual for being a Far Leftist Extremist, CSJ, Wokist, etc:

• Adopt a radical skepticism towards science.

Hello Z:

Well, you got the first one wrong, and things went downhill after that.

excon

Really? You not going to explain how? Just going to make a claim without substance? 

Cool story bruh

just_sayin said:

jack said:

ZeusAres42 said:

Here is a quick manual for being a Far Leftist Extremist, CSJ, Wokist, etc:

• Adopt a radical skepticism towards science.

Hello Z:

Well, you got the first one wrong, and things went downhill after that.

excon

I would suggest the fact leftists can not provide a definition for what a woman is, even though they make up 50% of the population, is exhibit A against your claim.  

I would also point out leftists belief that an unborn child is not a living human is another example of science denial.

Another popular science denial is leftist's opposition to GMOs, which have been found to be safe and can help produce more food in poor countries.  

Another example would be leftists who deny that a biological male has any advantage against biological females in sporting events.  

All of these are common examples of science denials among leftists.

Just point out that this was @just_sayin

As you can see. jack has pretended this is me via his last quote. Just wanted to highlight the dishonesty on @jacks part. Also, by scrolling up you can verify this. 

ZeusAres42 said:

Factfinder said:

@ZeusAres42

That was good. LOL The one I would challenge is this one:

• Be radically skeptical of liberalism.

I think the far left manual would read "Be radically skeptical of conservatism" 

its both . its extremism after all.

I thought about this some more and I believe we need to agree on a standard to which a view crosses the threshold of extremism. Furthermore say we put left vs right ideologies on sphere respective of their positions. Then move those views in response to their extreme natures would both sides really move to the top of the sphere symbolizing they both become the same? I'm not so sure because there are fundamental differences between liberalism and conservatism that would motivate the far left to be more accepting of liberalism than it would be of conservatism.

So I stand by my original response based on the evidence below that point number 2 on your list should read  "Be radically skeptical of conservatism"...

https://bestdiplomats.org/left-wing-vs-right-wing/

LEFT WING	RIGHT WING
A liberal approach to politics	Conservative Approach to Politics
Society benefits from an expanded role of Government	Society gets negatively affected when there is an expanded role of government
Economic equality can be ensured when there are higher taxes on the wealthy and the government spends heavily on social welfare programs	Economic Equality is utopic and government intervention, catastrophic. Social welfare programs should be discouraged and markets should regulate themselves
Emphasizes progressive and reformist policies	Emphasizes Traditional and conservative policies
Left-wing nationalism aligns with principles of social equality, the sovereignty of the people, and the right to self-determination. It often forms strong connections with movements focused on achieving national liberation.	Right-wing nationalism is characterized by Romantic Nationalism, which asserts that a state’s legitimacy is derived from the culture it governs. This culture includes elements such as language, race, and customs that have organically evolved within that particular cultural context.
Have secular tendencies and believe that the state and church should be separate from each other	Have religious inclinations, and most right-wing parties believe that religion should play some role in the running of the government
Champion egalitarian ideals	Believe that the rights of ordinary people (the ones who are not necessarily in the limelight) are often ignored
Lenient Immigration Laws because America should be a welcoming country for all	Stricter and more strict Immigration Laws because America needs to protect itself before protecting others.
The government’s job to regulate the economy and fix social issues	Not the government’s job to regulate markets. Social Issues should be fixed by individuals.

Factfinder said:

@ZeusAres42

Yeah that's ultimately what's difficult when discussing extremism. Past norms of one philosophy becomes present extremes and vice versa. I've always said the left would consider John F Kennedy a conservative republican by today standards. But you bring up an angle I haven't considered much. Obviously there is a significant portion of the population that is pro old school democrat, boy they probably feel super betrayed by their party!?!? With the direction of wokism it took. 

Members like you and @MayCaesar keep reminding me just how much I don't know or think about! You know how hard it is to be retired, think you conquered the world only to realize I've a lot to learn?    I mean that in a positive way of course.  

@Factfinder

Think it was Socrate that said: "The more I learn the more I relaize how much I don't know." That being said, I think you are giving me too much credit. I am very new to this stuff here specifically. And I need to be concious of the fact that reading some books here and there doesn't make me an expert. Still a long way to go. However, from what I have read it all seems very reasonable to me. 

I have to agree: @Factfinder, @ZeusAres42 and @MichaelElpers are the three users here to talk to whom I really come here nowadays. You guys actually engage with others' arguments, put a lot of effort into yours, and demonstrate interest in a collaborative rather than confrontational discussion. We have disagreed on many things, but in most cases the disagreement was handled by everyone in the gentleman manner. Unlike other users who seem more interested in convincing themselves that what they believe in is not complete hogwash than in learning something new, you always offer food for thought. We rarely talk past each other and mostly understand where we all are coming from.