How did Elohim turn the demonic horror of the Jewish Holocaust into eschatological victory?

Joeseph

You truly are mentally insane.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; Only to those who can't see because they're dead spiritually in servitude to Satan.

Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Only to those who can't see because they're dead spiritually in servitude to Satan.

Head to your local psychiatrist show him your posts on here and he will have you incarcerated for your own safety........no wonder you got fired from the force.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; I was not "fired"....I honorably retired subsequent 31-years of service. I'm simply telling you the Truth...you're lost spiritually, dead spiritually and headed to Hell in your unbelief...this is Truth.

MayCaesar

At least one of you ultra-religious freaks finally admitted that your god played a role in Holocaust happening. I call it progress!

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar ; It's not that Elohim played a role but that Elohim used the role that your god, Satan, and Hitler and Islam played to nullify Elohim's promises to Abraham and use this demonic agenda to reestablish the Nation of Israel in 1948 and populate same with Jacob's children in preparation for the Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom.

Factfinder

So god arranged the deaths of millions in order to satisfy an eschatological goal and praise itself. You're right May, at least one of the looneys admitted their imaginary god is a genocidal maniac.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; NO, Elohim's eschatological plan was that Israel's children would honor their Messiah sent to them and honor the Gospel and assume their foreordained divine ministry as progenitors of the Great Commission and the divine protection of the New Covenant but Israel's rejection of Messiah, the Murder of Messiah and their demands that His blood be upon them and their children changed things, eternally.

The Gospel was relegated to the Gentiles and Jacob's children placed under judgment and partially blinded. Elohim gave Israel what it wanted, separation of covenant and compromise with the World...like He has with you. Satan has hated Israel beginning with Abraham and has relentlessly sought to destroy them in hopes of nullifying Elohim's promises through them which ultimately culminates in Satan's defeat and destruction...first at Golgotha via Messiah and second, eternal punishment in Hell (Rev 20:10).

The Jewish Holocaust was Satan's attempt through Islam/Hitler to completely eradicate the Jewish population from the Earth through alienation Worldwide and ultimately extermination..but US and allied intervention stopped the success of that motive but more importantly, the hearts and minds of rebellious Jews and Israelite's were more determined than ever to have a home-state, their Land, where they could live in safety....Elohim inspired the "Never Again" movement which motivated Jacob's children to return "home"....this was essential as no eschatologist subsequent 70AD and Titus / the 10th-Roman Legion's destruction of Jerusalem could foresee the fulfillment of Biblical eschatological seeing that Israel no longer existed as promised Biblically...but Elohim reset the eschatological clock in 1948/1967 and now WE SEE.....

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder

@Factfinder ; NO, Elohim's eschatological plan was that Israel's children would honor their Messiah sent to them and honor the Gospel and assume their foreordained divine ministry as progenitors of the Great Commission and the divine protection of the New Covenant but Israel's rejection of Messiah, the Murder of Messiah and their demands that His blood be upon them and their children changed things, eternally.

The Gospel was relegated to the Gentiles and Jacob's children placed under judgment and partially blinded. Elohim gave Israel what it wanted, separation of covenant and compromise with the World...like He has with you. Satan has hated Israel beginning with Abraham and has relentlessly sought to destroy them in hopes of nullifying Elohim's promises through them which ultimately culminates in Satan's defeat and destruction...first at Golgotha via Messiah and second, eternal punishment in Hell (Rev 20:10).

The Jewish Holocaust was Satan's attempt through Islam/Hitler to completely eradicate the Jewish population from the Earth through alienation Worldwide and ultimately extermination..but US and allied intervention stopped the success of that motive but more importantly, the hearts and minds of rebellious Jews and Israelite's were more determined than ever to have a home-state, their Land, where they could live in safety....Elohim inspired the "Never Again" movement which motivated Jacob's children to return "home"....this was essential as no eschatologist subsequent 70AD and Titus / the 10th-Roman Legion's destruction of Jerusalem could foresee the fulfillment of Biblical eschatological seeing that Israel no longer existed as promised Biblically...but Elohim reset the eschatological clock in 1948/1967 and now WE SEE.....

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MayCaesar

God is quick to dispose of millions of its worshipers so the remaining ones sing praises to it. Where have I seen it already? China, Soviet Union, Cambodia?

I do not say that Christianity and Communism are ideological siblings for no reason.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar ; Worshipers were not disposed of but atheists and those who deny Jesus will be disposed of at the Judgement of the Condemned and this includes YOU lest you repent and fully trust and believe in Jesus as your Messiah.

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Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder
@Factfinder ; NO, Elohim's eschatological plan was that Israel's children would honor their Messiah sent to them and honor the Gospel and assume their foreordained divine ministry as progenitors of the Great Commission and the divine protection of the New Covenant but Israel's rejection of Messiah, the Murder of Messiah and their demands that His blood be upon them and their children changed things, eternally.

The Gospel was relegated to the Gentiles and Jacob's children placed under judgment and partially blinded. Elohim gave Israel what it wanted, separation of covenant and compromise with the World...like He has with you. Satan has hated Israel beginning with Abraham and has relentlessly sought to destroy them in hopes of nullifying Elohim's promises through them which ultimately culminates in Satan's defeat and destruction...first at Golgotha via Messiah and second, eternal punishment in Hell (Rev 20:10).

The Jewish Holocaust was Satan's attempt through Islam/Hitler to completely eradicate the Jewish population from the Earth through alienation Worldwide and ultimately extermination..but US and allied intervention stopped the success of that motive but more importantly, the hearts and minds of rebellious Jews and Israelite's were more determined than ever to have a home-state, their Land, where they could live in safety....Elohim inspired the "Never Again" movement which motivated Jacob's children to return "home"....this was essential as no eschatologist subsequent 70AD and Titus / the 10th-Roman Legion's destruction of Jerusalem could foresee the fulfillment of Biblical eschatological seeing that Israel no longer existed as promised Biblically...but Elohim reset the eschatological clock in 1948/1967 and now WE SEE.....

Isn't it strange how misery, despotism and eternal agony always accompany your 'benevolent' god's road map for humanity? That is of course the ultimatum bend the knee or else...

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jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

How did Elohim turn the demonic horror of the Jewish Holocaust into eschatological victory?

Hello Rickey:

Look, you fuking Christian di*ck. Your fu*kin God would MURDER my people because we WON'T accept your CRAZY BULLSH*T!

FU*CK you, you piece of sh*t!

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; Ouch, is your demon disturbed, convict? So be it.

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack ; Ouch, is your demon disturbed, convict? So be it.

Hello Rickey:

OMG! You found out I'm an exconvict.. Oh, no.. Who told you???? My reputation is in tatters.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack l Okay child.

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack: Okay child.

Hello again, Rickey:

That's it??? That's all you got?? Du*de.

excon

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack l Okay child.

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Hello Rickey:

What??? Without your cut and paste you're an imbecile.

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; I refrain from socializing with convicted thugs.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; Prove cut and paste void having given credit to the party of origin? Li-ar

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack ; I refrain from socializing with convicted thugs.

Hello again, Rickey:

Du*de. You call what we got "socializing"??? I call it stepping on bugs.

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; You're the vulgar "excon." You'll know the person and their heart by what proceeds from their mouth...you're just another destructive, vulgar, vile, democrat-progressive-liberal...a horrible, destructive, hoard of atheistic democrats-progressives-immoral atheists.

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

MEMBERSHIP: Since RickeyHoltsclaw has to run away from my disturbing Bible verses and go into HIDING with little "candy-assed little boy excuses," as you will see, then we can only wonder why his serial killer Jesus as god did not do the following in this image below in helping his JEWISH creation:

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WHO WANTS TO BE AS DUMBFOUNDED OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH LIKE RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS, AND HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM SAID FAITH WHEN HE CANNOT DEFEND IT, WILL BE .....?

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Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack ; You're the vulgar "excon." You'll know the person and their heart by what proceeds from their mouth...you're just another destructive, vulgar, vile, democrat-progressive-liberal...a horrible, destructive, hoard of atheistic democrats-progressives-immoral atheists.

You should read your bible some time. Bearing false witness and self righteous judgment against others means you're hell bound. Of course anyone who knows what the bible says knows that about you.You should have someone of intellect explain the following verses to you while you take another look at your own meme...

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

And Matthew 7:1-3

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

King James Bible Scripture Pictures - Matthew 722-23 Matthew 721-23 KJV 21 Not every one that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Again, you're blind, spiritually arrogant, lacking knowledge...what does Matthew 7:21-23 teach....it's not about works or their quality but about "covenant relationship."

Before we begin, for contextual concerns, please note that the divine discourse of Matthew 7:21-23 immediately follows Messiah’s teaching concerning “fruit” as works that identify the motives of the individual performing same, see Matthew 7:15-20.

If one has NOT established New Covenant relationship with the Father by faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, their works, their efforts, their prayers, are interpreted as a “filthy garment” (literally: bloody menstrual cloth) in the nose of Elohim (Isaiah 64:6); therefore, anything done by humanity with the motive of “earning righteousness” (a right standing with the Father) through human effort is lawlessness and putrid from Elohim’s perspective. Elohim first demonstrated this for you in Genesis 3:21 immediately subsequent Adam’s disobedience as Elohim, Himself, shed innocent blood and clothed Adam in a robe of imputed-gifted righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21) while rejecting Adam’s self-righteous attempts to cover and conceal his own shame with fig leaves (Ephesians 2:8-9).

What are the “works” articulated in Matthew 7:21-23?

1) “did we not prophesy in your name?” Prophesy is not a lawless work if it is performed through the indwelling Holy Spirit who is given to all who believe (Ephesians 1:13-14).

2) did we not “cast out demons in your name?” Casting out demons is NOT a lawless work if it performed in the Name of Jesus via the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit given to all who believe in Jesus as Messiah (Ephesians 1:13-14).

3) did we not “do many mighty works in your name?” Working and dedicating oneself to the ministry of Elohim in the divine Name of Jesus is NOT a lawless work if it is done with a pure motive via FAITH through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Therefore, we must logically conclude that the works of these rejected by Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 were not lawless on their face but lawless because they were done void the Holy Spirit and were therefore done in the flesh under girded by self-righteous motives apart from FAITH.

Jesus confirmed the self-righteous nature of the works performed by clearly telling those who were rejected that “I never knew you, depart from me you workers of lawlessness.” Therefore, it is COVENANT RELATIONSHIP, the ABSENCE of same, that is the focal point of Messiah’s teaching and NOT quality of work done!

If one desires to enter the Kingdom of Elohim, they must FIRST comply with the Father’s will; that is, “believe in the One He has sent into the World” to provide you blood atonement for your sin (John 6:29); then, the works of obedience performed SUBSEQUENT salvation by faith in Jesus, alone, must be done through the indwelling Holy Spirit via the production of divine fruit (Galatians 5:22-23) in order that those works be divinely motivated and acceptable to the Father and actually pass the test for authenticity at the BEMA Judgment.

Therefore, we must conclude that Jesus, in Matthew 7:21-23, is teaching the eternal mandate of Covenant Relationship by grace through faith as a divine PRIORITY if one’s works performed subsequent salvation by faith are to be considered honorable and pleasing to the Father, Son and Spirit in that Day.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Because Elohim's covenants and protection and provision with Israel's children were predicated upon OBEDIENCE (Deuteronomy 28) and subsequent to murdering Messiah and demanding that Messiah's blood be upon them and their children, Israel broke covenant with Elohim and has subsequently fallen under Judgment and they are sheep without a Shepherd, Israel's children are fodder for Satan's delight as they exist in unbelief, apostasy, works and self-sufficiency; therefore, your god, Satan AKA Allah conspired with Hitler via Islam to remedy the "Final Solution"...Israel's children are reaping what they have sown.

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JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Clarification Request

@RickeyHoltsclaw
Are you claiming your God permitted the Holocaust because Jews rejected and "murdered" Jesus Christ?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; Satan, the god of this World (2 Corinthians 4:4; John 14:30) masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and subsequent the birth of Ishmael via Hagar via adultery with Abraham, Satan has steadfastly sought the praise and worship of Ishmael's lineage, the Ishmaelites who are the progenitors of Muhammad, a 7th-Century nomadic, demon possessed, murdering pedophile, thief, who is the progenitor of Islam of which Satan is Allah and receives mandated praise and worship; that which he has coveted before Time was created.

Satan in Allah via Islam conspired with Hitler to eradicate Jacob's children from the face of the Earth thereby making Elohim a concerning His promises to Abraham relevant to Messiah (Genesis 12:3b) and the Promised Land of Israel (Genesis 13:17)...

Elohim has distanced himself from Jacob's children as their covenants with Him were predicated upon National "obedience" (Deuteronomy 28) and the final nail in the coffin was the rejection, murder, of Messiah by Jacob's children who demanded that Messiah's blood be upon them and their children (Matthew 27:25); therefore, Jacob's children were placed under judgment, partially blinded to Elohim's truth (Romans 11:25; Romans 9:27)...they were wanderers, somewhat nomadic and scattered but Elohim's eschatological imperatives concerning the Land of Israel; namely, Jerusalem, as the focal point of Messiah's Millennial Kingdom were rapidly approaching; therefore, Elohim used the demonic devices of Allah-Islam and Hitler via the "Final Solution" to drive Israel's children back to their promised Homeland; this, via the "Never Again" movement...so YES, Elohim allowed Satan-Allah authority over the Holocaust within limits but cut same short via International intervention.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Again, you're blind, spiritually arrogant, lacking knowledge...what does Matthew 7:21-23 teach....it's not about works or their quality but about "covenant relationship."

That was my point. You show no evidence of any "covenant relationship" though you proudly prophesy in scorn all over these boards. You do however come across as an insecure petulant child. Your pretend sky daddy will say to you he never new you. But you don't care though cause you're losing faith and like to ague about it. Do you wish you were as astute as I?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I tell you the Truth even if I don't qualify as a Christian according to atheist values and presuppositions.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Do you have a question about Jacob's children; namely, the Jews?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; I tell you the Truth even if I don't qualify as a Christian according to atheist values and presuppositions.

You don't qualify as a christian because you do not know or follow the teachings in scripture.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; What teachings do I not follow?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; What teachings do I not follow?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I do this very thing...what teachings do I not follow?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; I do this very thing...what teachings do I not follow?

You want people to self righteously judge you, call you scum, project lies of your persona because you don't understand reality, and tell you, you belong dead or in prison just because you're a theist and don't belong in America? Really? That's how you want people to treat you?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I want to be told how people really feel...I don't seek their obfuscation, their discreetness, their facade...tell the truth...I'm secure sufficiently in Jesus...no need to lie and obfuscate....I have not lied to you....I have told you what atheism is, where the atheist is headed and their stup-idity and arrogance that under girds their demonic values. TRUTH.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; I want to be told how people really feel...I don't seek their obfuscation, their discreetness, their facade...tell the truth...I'm secure sufficiently in Jesus...no need to lie and obfuscate....I have not lied to you....I have told you what atheism is, where the atheist is headed and their stup-idity and arrogance that under girds their demonic values. TRUTH.

See? You just can't help but be proud in your arrogant ignorance. Nobody obfuscates but the religious nuts. They hate truth and reality. You've no idea what atheism is. You're just insignificant, languishing till you're no longer existing.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Christians worship the Truth in the embodiment of Jesus our Messiah...you have chosen an existence in Time that is contrary to the Truth...you live a lie in Satan and you're too far engrossed in your arrogance and narcissism and self-righteousness to stop and think and come to a logical conclusion concerning who and what you are and where you're headed....you think yourself wise when in reality you're the devil's fool. You mock yourself in your blind self-righteousness.

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Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Christians worship the Truth in the embodiment of Jesus our Messiah...you have chosen an existence in Time that is contrary to the Truth...you live a lie in Satan and you're too far engrossed in your arrogance and narcissism and self-righteousness to stop and think and come to a logical conclusion concerning who and what you are and where you're headed....you think yourself wise when in reality you're the devil's fool. You mock yourself in your blind self-righteousness.

Sure they do. So explain these 'truths' again...

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JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Your Antisemitism Is Showing

@RickeyHoltsclaw
You claim Jews "murdered" Jesus Christ. This is problematic because it distorts historical facts and has been used to justify antisemitic attitudes and actions. True Christians believe the death of Jesus was part of a divine plan.

You imply Jews deserved the Holocaust because they "murdered" Jesus. The Holocaust was driven by antisemitic ideology and baseless hatred, not by any past actions of the Jewish people. To claim that Jews deserved it is a gross distortion of history and facts. Such statements perpetuate antisemitism and can incite further hatred and violence against Jewish people. It contributes to a culture of intolerance and bigotry.

Explain why you shouldn't be banned from this site.
@aarong

Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Elohim used the demonic devices of Allah-Islam and Hitler via the "Final Solution" to drive Israel's children back to their promised Homeland; this, via the "Never Again" movement...so YES, Elohim allowed Satan-Allah authority over the Holocaust within limits but cut same short via International intervention

I've challenged you previously on your attempts at justifying the Holocaust before, its outrageous to say the least that you continue saying the Holocaust was approved by god.

You're yet again posting up hate pieces and actually justifying the final solution as god driven ....WOW!

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; Why not attempt to confront reality...the Holocaust is reality..."it happened"....Elohim allowed it...deal with it atheist as Elohim used the Holocaust to fulfill prophecy that otherwise would not have come to fruition due the hardness and stubbornness and apostasy of Jacob's children.

“Thus says the Lord God, ‘Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land (Ezekiel 37:21-22).’”

“I will save them from all their sinful backsliding and I will cleanse them. They will be My people, and I will be their God. My servant David [Messiah] will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them (Ezekiel 37:23-24).” (The Millennial Kingdom)

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; I did not say Jews "deserved" the Holocaust due their rejection and "murder" of Messiah but that the Jews are estranged from Elohim due their apostasy and rejection of Messiah and the Gospel and their ordination as ministers of the Great Commission. Elohim used the wiles of Satan (Allah) and Hitler to fulfill prophecy that would not have otherwise been fulfilled due the hardness of heart, the stubbornness, of Jacob's children; that is, a regathering of Jacob's seed to the Land of Israel for the continuance of Elohim's eschatological imperatives; namely, the Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom and the imprisonment of Satan for 1000-years.

“I will save them from all their sinful backsliding and I will cleanse them. They will be My people, and I will be their God. My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them (Ezekiel 37:23-24).”

“Thus says the Lord God, ‘Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land (Ezekiel 37:21-22).’”

I find it so hypocritical that you atheists and wayward Jews, Israelite's, want to ban the Truth...you are cowards and arrogant fools. Israel is under judgment...this is a fact; only a mere "remnant" of Israel's children will escape the "second death" in Hell due their MURDER and rejection of Messiah.

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