Is it de ja vu or this time will there be a turning of the tides?
Am I just a tornado that's about to get cooled or you the tornadoes and me the mountain you must spin around? Time will tell. Hope I don't get bitter-voted though. Please justify your votes.
I will put effort into being friendlier this time as people didn't like my tone last time.
Good luck opponents,
you're going to need it.
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1) topics are not random - you get to select from a list of choices. @whiteflame 's suggestion.
2) votes require an explanation. That's a tricky one, but on balance a step in the right direction.
3) final round isnt 1 hour, so Don't need to stress about time commitment
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
I friended myself!
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The very same to you
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I totally agree I’m only here a short while but I’ve already raised hackles as I like to ask very controversial questions , so no matter who and why I fall out with here I will attempt to be as fair as possible when it comes to voting
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Good change of colour.
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Can the Shadow out-darken the whiteflame? Will Mr. Shulz find his way to conquer Corbyn and his regime?
Time will tell...
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Too many users on this site want a bite of a slice,
Of the pretty pie called 'thinking 234'll be nice',
Take my advice, don't gamble on it throw in the towel, chuck the dice,
This aint luck motherf***er, this is tongue-swelling spice,
I'm not the greatest due to haters, they're a given that's a fact,
Imma lay you all to waste just like Round 1. I debate and the body goes SPLAT!
I'm the one they call enforcer and you're what they call a rat,
What you doing here in Sicily? On seconds thoughts you won't live to answer that.
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ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
You know you're alpha when both round 1 and round 2 your opponent runs scared.
This is that aura of the alpha male. I don't care if it's sexist to say I am an alpha male and am better than the rest male and female put together. BRING IT ON, IT ELL YOU STRAIGHT YOU WILL GET THROWN TO THE GALLOWS IF YOU DARE STEP TO ME!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAH WAHOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA
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Your conduct is worse than your skills on Fortnite
So hide your points and let burdens by
Wearing down time to the second so you get the bye
The challenge to the throne is coming real soon
But trust me, I'll see it, even if its a new moon
So trust me in the debate, I'll read between the lines
A person never won the pregame, by posting random vines.
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I yearn for this battle.
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Just like my round one opponent did from me.
Just like whiteflame will wish he had from me.
I am the chosen one.
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;D
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Gotta go classic:
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Sorry but I'm the CO2, your flame is going out.
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WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Primaries vs Caucuses? It's not that simple. Why not both?
Why not Caucuses only?
Why not increase the power of the informed voter over the uninformed ballot form-filler?
Can I change the world one debate at a time? You bet!
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This big black flame can't wait all day...
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Sure, I'm not smirking now but if you think I'm any less arrogant you are quite mistaken. I see this as a glitch, an anomaly where for whatever reason the voters didn't comprehend the angle I took which I genuinely executed to the best of my ability. There's no one out there who (at the high level like this) gets 100% winrate in debates. People who are obsessed with 100% winrate on sites tend to (not tend to basically always) avoid tournaments with other highly skilled debaters.
Over many tournaments, it becomes obvious who the true champion is and isn't.
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Very impressive work by @someone234, you are a talented debater.
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In any case - great job, and I thought you did very well.
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I am not saying your plan was bad or well thought out, but it just wasn't good enough to sell me that it's worth it to put such a complex system in place instead of simplifying the broken system as whiteflame argued.
i actually could have argued that whiteflame would have to go deeper to convince us that the caucus system as is should be abolished, but you accepted that part of his arguments so that's not where the debate went.
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I'm not saying your not address your opponent's counter-arguments/evidence, absolutely, but you also need to keep selling your proposition when in the affirmative. Normally, this only happens if you don't have faith in your own claims or opposition. If you a person spend all their time refuting his opponent's counterarguments while supposedly in the affirmative. Has not the opponent in the negative caused his to abandon his opponent strategy
Looking at it like a war, if a country who is supposed to be or has been on the offense finds themselves on the defensive. Does this not mean the advantage point of the war has changed? In football, you want to be in the offense, but when a team is on the defense the majority of the time is that team not usually loosing?
If a company runs a commercial and instead of selling their "product" they spend the majority explaining why their competition's product is not better than their's, have they not just basically said there competitions product is better? A commercial "the affirmative" is your chance to sell your product not spend the majority of the time highlighting your competitors.
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Truth be told, your explanation for your decision was a bit confounding. I didn't, as you say, "abandon the affirmative position and go into the negative". I pointed out that the vast majority of my case was dropped, built up those impacts, and focused on tearing down the negative case. That's a perfectly reasonable way to handle a round like this. The idea that I have to keep building up a positive case when my opponent isn't attacking any of the most relevant pieces of my case is strange to me. It's not abandoning my role in the debate, it's simply recognizing that my opponent wasn't interested in engaging on case, and thus shifting focus the arguments he made rather than trying to make more arguments in support of my case.
Certainly, you need to sell your argument, and leaving your case entirely behind is a huge mistake that I've seen some people on the proposition make, but if my case remains virtually untouched, then I already have a conceded and elucidated set of benefits on the table. I can and should keep selling how important those benefits are and why I achieve them (and I think I did that), but when you're winning a piece of your case outright, you don't have to continue adding to it, particularly when your opponent is levying attacks that are largely focused on tearing down your position rather than your argument. I don't know what your experience with debate is, but it's not a failing of faith to continually argue that your case is dropped, the advantages are clear, and therefore you're going to spend your time focusing on why the other side's arguments essentially don't matter.
This isn't a war. It isn't football. It's not a company or a commercial. It's debate, and there are multiple ways to win a round. I would disagree, however, that I was playing defense. Arguing on my opponent's case does not automatically make all of my arguments defense. If I'm explaining why my opponent's case is actually net harmful, that's offense, because it furthers a positive comparison of my case to his.
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You never explained why we should abolish it
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As for not explaining why we should abolish it... really? I mean, I spent a great deal of time explaining it. It's a simple solution to a difficult problem. It may not be a perfect solution, and I never suggested it was, but it's better than the alternative that you presented to try and keep it and simply fix what we have. And that's the key thing I think you and many others are missing: the moment you presented a counter plan is the moment that the debate became a comparison of our cases. I explained how abolition would solve the harms I'd stated, and provided extensive impacts based on that solvency. You presented a counter plan providing an alternate means to fix the problem by altering how caucuses function. As soon as those two were on the table, all either of us had to do was show that our cases were better. I know you disagree with that, and I know you're going to continue to do so, but that's how actual debates function. Just because I said I have the chief BoP in the debate doesn't mean I have to refute an infinite number of theoretical cases, mainly because that would be insane. All I have to do is show that abolition of caucuses would be net beneficial compared to whatever case you chose to present. I did that.
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