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Where are yours, AppleSauce, and Zombieguys names at?
I asked you, if the Second Amendment belongs to some of the pro gun extremists, and you said: (Yes, yes it does.)
You still haven't provided that proof yet?
The Second Amendment belongs to the public as a whole.
Just as "The United States Constitution" belongs to that same public, as a whole as well.
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Here is my "Evidence" @TTKDB
NAVY Ships used by criminals to commit crimes against humanity: (Gulf War)
Command Ships
Aircraft carriers
Battleships
Submarines
Amphibious assault ships
Guided missile cruisers
Destroyer tenders
Destroyers
Guided missile destroyers
Frigates
Amphibious transport docks
Ammunition ships
Dock landing ships
Tank landing ships
Fast sealift ships
Fleet oilers
Combat stores ships
Fast combat support ships
Replenishment oiler ships
Minesweepers
Repair ships
Rescue and salvage ships
Sealift ships
- Wright class (SS Wright, SS Curtiss)
.. and more.Worth noting: Look at the crater in the water that the ISS Iowa BB-61 Battleship created just firing its guns over the water, so you Globetard's still think AZ Crater
Meteor Crater AZ.
was; millions and billions of years ago made by some imaginary meteor from sci-fi space?
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@CYDdharta
What does the above have to do with the theme of the forum?
"Should America have gun control?"
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Here is my "Evidence" @TTKDB
NAVY Ships used by criminals to commit crimes against humanity: (Gulf War)
Command Ships.
Are you maybe an anti war oriented individual?
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Do you have the specific names of those supposed (Gulf War) criminals, that your evidence is based on?
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By the way, .. how old are you? Maybe you just like to click on things you find fascinating? Go for it kid, have fun. I'll even collect them in my profile.
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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Not only that, but as opposed to guns as @TTKDB is, he could call (911) in a way that could put the safe-licensed gun owner in great danger. With our NASA.gov militarized police, they are just waiting for a chance to gun you down.
"Man in Costco Shooting had Concealed Weapons Permit!"
https://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/man-in-costco-shooting-had-concealed-weapons-permit/77994610
Police: "FREEZE!"
TTKDB: "WATCH OUT, HE HAS A GUN!" is like music to their ears, and next thing you know, is that the licensed-gun owner drops to the ground just from the weight of the lead put into him by the NASA-militarized COPS, besides other victims who were unfortunate enough to be in his vicinity. Which of course NASA.gov will most likely frame it on the safe-licensed-gun owner.
IMO, .. anti-gun lobbyists can be far more dangerous than licensed concealed weapons owners.
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HELP WANTED:
Crisis actors, pay $21 p/h
"I see your true colors shining through" TTKDB, .. only "that's not why I love you".
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"LOL, and I guess you think the right to assembly belongs to agoraphobics."
What does this have to do with the theme of the forum?
"Should America have gun control?"
"Agoraphobia
Overview
Agoraphobia (ag-uh-ruh-FOE-be-uh) is a type of anxiety disorder in which you fear and avoid places or situations that might cause you to panic and make you feel trapped, helpless or embarrassed. You fear an actual or anticipated situation, such as using public transportation, being in open or enclosed spaces, standing in line, or being in a crowd."
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What does this from you, have to do with the theme of the forum?
"Should America have gun control?"
"@CYDdharta
Not only that, but as opposed to guns as @TTKDB is, he could call (911) in a way that could put the safe-licensed gun owner in great danger. With our NASA.gov militarized police, they are just waiting for a chance to gun you down.
"Man in Costco Shooting had Concealed Weapons Permit!"
https://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/man-in-costco-shooting-had-concealed-weapons-permit/77994610
Police: "FREEZE!"
TTKDB: "WATCH OUT, HE HAS A GUN!" is like music to their ears, and next thing you know, is that the licensed-gun owner drops to the ground just from the weight of the lead put into him by the NASA-militarized COPS, besides other victims who were unfortunate enough to be in his vicinity. Which of course NASA.gov will most likely frame it on the safe-licensed-gun owner.
IMO, .. anti-gun lobbyists can be far more dangerous than licensed concealed weapons owners."
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.. taking up the full armor of God, so as you can see the day of evil has come, so I may be able to stand my ground, and having done everything, to stand.… not fall for the likes of this "gun-control' by NASA.gov agenda, or any other MK-mind-bending, soul robbing Space Odyssey they come up with.
Like I said, it's ironic to have the heaviest armed government in the whole world talk about gun-control, .. don't you think? What are you, or our government afraid of? They went in with Apache helicopters to break up Drug Cartels in both the Mexican and Colombian Jungles, took over and guard the poppy fields in Afghanistan, and we both know they can use these same weapons (including the Navy arsenal I shown you) against our own citizens, so IMHO, this "gun-control' is a joke, .. a diversion and an excuse to turn this country into their New North Korea.
Matter of fact, it has NOTHING to do with some gun epidemic, but painting the general public as evil, out of control, dangerous, .. and yes: "Need to be under Marshall Law' at all times. That's what this is all about, putting up the wall, the barbed wire fences:
The Puppets:
The fences:
Tijuana, Mexico,
N. Korea
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I would respectively disagree the United States Constitution and United States Declaration of Independence form a union to set legal precedent for those who wish to hold a common defense, by use of Fire-arm with an armed international force. The United States 2nd Amendment is for the right that the private individuals who owns said fire-arm can in fact gather as a peaceable assemble, as so stated in the 1st Amendment. The order is 1, then 2, and what comes next after 2, any-one? Its extra credit?
The idea is that politicking can expose the general welfare, and its common defense to tyranny. Exposing a republic to danger. The legal Precedent not remembered is Military is not a democracy and an officer can relieve a commander of their position. Under articles of United State Constitution, they are expected to uphold United States constitution.
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Evidence………..………….long time no see. How’s the Time? lol …………….Proportionate or relative? Loved the whole gun control video.
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I thought I cleared that up for you pretty well?
Today, it is more dangerous to carry a concealed weapon with a permit in public, then facing a thief robbing you at gun point. Read what I wrote.
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You want names, start here,
Count how many times he says "weapons of mass destruction" which he couldn't find with the axis of evil, and this after 9-11 where he claimed 2 planes demolished three buildings in NYC (in less than 2 hours). We know where the "Axis of evil" reside, and those who possess the weapons of mass destruction, .. the ones that shown mass destruction with Ooohs and Aaahs!
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@Zombieguy1987 You don't understand what I'm saying?
Go ask Squidward
Hey Squidward, we have a question for you?
Squidward: "Irrelevant! Now get away!"
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Does your apparent anti war protest, have anything to do with the theme of the forum?
Because your individual narrative, reads like a presumption of mass distraction?
Do you know of any Guld War veterans who are eating your anti war protest up, plate by plate?
You're their anti war anchorman of choice?
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
The Animals
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@Evidence
"You do realize you're mixing up Operation Desert Storm with Operation Iraqi Freedom, right? The battleship and half of the carriers you listed were decommissioned by the time of Operation Iraqi Freedom. WMDs and the "axis of evil" had nothing to do with Operation Desert Shield/Storm."
Do either one of you have the specific names of those supposed (Gulf War, or the othe Gulf War) criminals, that your evidence is based on?
Or that your commentary is based on?
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(Should America have gun control?)
What does the below have to do with the theme of the forum?
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Can you explain why you view the below as irrelevant, when the below points of view are irrelevant to the theme of the forum?
"You do realize you're mixing up Operation Desert Storm with Operation Iraqi Freedom, right? The battleship and half of the carriers you listed were decommissioned by the time of Operation Iraqi Freedom. WMDs and the "axis of evil" had nothing to do with Operation Desert Shield/Storm."
Do either one of you have the specific names of those supposed (Gulf War, or the othe Gulf War) criminals, that your evidence is based on?
Or that your commentary is based on?
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Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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What does your below shared rhetoric, have to do with GUN control?
"it has been reduced but not lost, the only 2 I can think of that can actually be lost are the 2a and right to vote."
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https://abc7chicago.com/man-fatally-shot-by-woman-in-fernwood-previously-accused-of-attacking-cops/5045750/
Investigators said 19-year-old LaAvion Goings approached the 25-year-old woman, pulled out a gun and announced a robbery. The woman then shot and killed him with her gun.
now when you go back to the inane o.p. "My factual right to live outwerighs your alleged right to shoot me." If humans have a right to live, how can that right not also come with the right to defend it? You can't call something a right if you can't use or defend it. We have the right to fly to Pluto bfd since no one was the actual ability to do so, not much of a right.....it's not a real right.
@TTKDB
oh little troll, you silly boy I have no interest in explaining such simple things to you, try someone else, I don't get paid to educate you.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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Some excerpts from the article:
Bloomberg-Backed Lawmakers Launch All-Out Attack on Your Second Amendment Rights: Gun Control Bills Pre-Filed for 2019 Legislative Session
First on the list are two bills regarding "universal" background checks similar to those which legislators rejected in 2017 – House Bill 8,sponsored by Rep. Debra Sarinana, and its counterpart Senate Bill 8, sponsored by Senators Richard Martinez and Peter Wirth. These measures would ban all private firearms sales between law-abiding individuals. Gun owners will be forced to pay undetermined fees and obtain government approval before selling firearms to family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers, or fellow hunters, competitive shooters and gun club members. Such proposals will have no impact on crime and are unenforceable without gun registration. House Bill 40, by Representative Miguel Garcia, would require criminal records checks on private firearms sales at gun shows – a favorite target of the gun control crowd.
House Bill 83, extreme risk protection order or “red flag” legislation, sponsored by Representative Damon Ely, would authorize the seizure of firearms and ammunition from individuals without due process. Unchallenged statements made by a petitioner before a judge, alleging that someone is a danger to themselves or others in an ex parte proceeding -- prior to any formal court hearing at which the respondent can be represented by counsel and present counter evidence -- would be sufficient for law enforcement to enter that person's home and confiscate their private property.
House Bill 130, sponsored by Rep. Linda Trujillo, proposes to make gun owners criminally and civilly liable if a child gains unsupervised access to an unsecured firearm. New Mexico already has a first degree felony child abuse statute on the books to hold adults accountable for putting children's lives or health at risk in any manner. The tools exist to charge and prosecute parents or guardians in appropriate cases. Education is the key to protecting gun owners and their kids, not a state mandate on how one stores a firearm in his or her home.
Don't sit idly by and watch your freedoms disappear. Sign up as an NRA Frontlines volunteerand get at least three fellow gun owners to also sign up to receive timely legislative alerts on firearm-related bills during this upcoming session. Make plans to attend committee hearings on these bills at the Roundhouse when NRA-ILA notifies you of the place and location. And contact your state lawmakers before and during session urging them to OPPOSE these measures.
A large number of freshman State House members have not taken office yet and do not currently have contact information at the Roundhouse. The make-up of the State Senate basically remains the same as last session. Please begin contacting your State Senators and urge them to OPPOSE bills that ban private gun sales between law-abiding individuals, OPPOSE red flag legislation that allows for the confiscation of firearms without due process and to OPPOSE proposals that duplicate the current child abuse statute to create specific, lesser offenses involving access to firearms in the home. Make sure you put bill numbers in the subject line of your emails."
Here's an idea for a BILL, amending the Second Amendment, so that it addresses the offenders and criminals who used their weapons in an illegaI manner, thus abusing their second amendment rights?
That addresses, those gun owners who lawfully purchased their weapon, but then used that lawfully purchased gun to commit gun violence with it?
This way the victims of gun violence and the families, are recognized within the preamble of the Second Amendment, just as the first time offenders and criminals are for their crimes of gun violence?
Fair and equal representation, being represented within the dialogue of the Second Amendment itself?
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You have offered no "idea"
ok, what would the bill/amendment say?
What would be the wording to "address offenders and criminals who used their weapons in an illegaI manner" Now mind you, you some how have to apply this to rights, and somehow distinguish it from laws that already exist to address everything you said in the quote.
Perhaps you should familiarize your self with some federal criminal laws on guns.
what does that even mean?
let me save you the typing, you have no answer, you'll ask some other clueless questions LOL
do you actually have any opinions and thoughts of your own? just wondering.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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The below is self explanatory to your posed questions.
You have offered no "idea"
ok, what would the bill/amendment say?
What would be the wording to "address offenders and criminals who used their weapons in an illegaI manner" Now mind you, you some how have to apply this to rights, and somehow distinguish it from laws that already exist to address everything you said in the quote.
Perhaps you should familiarize your self with some federal criminal laws on guns.
what does that even mean?
let me save you the typing, you have no answer, you'll ask some other clueless questions LOL
do you actually have any opinions and thoughts of your own? just wondering.
This is add point of view, is in regards to the gun control conversation.
What's peculiar about how some of the pro gun crowd, go about using the second amendment to platform their individual pro gun narratives with?
It's nearly mirroring, some of the pro weed crowd with their narratives, and how some of them have used the internet itself to provide a platform to help promote their pro weed legalization narratives with?
Because in some states, the question about using medicinal marijuana, while owning a weapon, has become questioned since the legalization of recreational weed has been ongoing.
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I'll give this one last try
Would it be accurate to say that we agree that violent criminals shouldn't have guns?
Do we also agree that people shouldn't use guns in an illegal or careless manner?
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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It's really not explanatory. You may know what you're trying to say, but neither @Applesauce nor I (nor, i suspect @Zombieguy1987) know just what you're trying to get across. Precisely how would you rewrite the 2nd Amendment? Exactly how do you think it should be worded?
This is an odd tangent to go off on, coming from someone who keeps complaining about people going off-topic. Firearms and weed, legal weed in particular, have nothing to do with each other. More to the point, so what? You'd have to give examples of what you mean by some of the pro gun crowd mirroring some of the pro weed crowd's narratives to prove your point, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt, what difference does that make? As far as mixing weed and firearms, that seems like significantly less of a problem than mixing firearms and alcohol, so there's already a template as to how to define the do's and the don'ts.
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I'll agree, with the below being amended into the Second Amendment:
He's an idea for a BILL,
Amending the Second Amendment, so that it addresses the offenders and criminals who used their weapons in an illegaI manner, thus abusing their second amendment rights?
That addresses, those gun owners who lawfully purchased their weapon, but then used that lawfully purchased gun to commit gun violence with it?
This way the victims of gun violence and the families, are recognized within the preamble of the Second Amendment, just as the first time offenders and criminals are for their crimes of gun violence?
Fair and equal representation, being represented within the dialogue of the Second Amendment itself?
I think, that some of the the families who have been affected by the offenders and criminals gun violence, might appreciate the above additions to the preamble, being added to the Second Amendment?
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fine since we can't agree I shall ignore you, have a nice life. Please don't respond or tag me in any further posts and I shall do the same.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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In response to this point of view from you:
"This is an odd tangent to go off on, coming from someone who keeps complaining about people going off-topic. Firearms and weed, legal weed in particular, have nothing to do with each other. More to the point, so what? You'd have to give examples of what you mean by some of the pro gun crowd mirroring some of the pro weed crowd's narratives to prove your point, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt, what difference does that make? As far as mixing weed and firearms, that seems like significantly less of a problem than mixing firearms and alcohol, so there's already a template as to how to define the do's and the don'ts."
It's not an odd tangent:
It's a fair and equal conversation point.
Because alternative points of view, like mixing gun ownership and medical weed use, is another conversation, that some could become educated on, via the theme of the forum.
Or mixing gun ownership and alcohol use, as another educational point of view?
https://multiplesclerosisnewstoday.com/2018/07/13/ms-patients-beware-medical-cannabis-marijuana-gun-license/
Some excerpts from the article:
"Medical Marijuana Could Mean Trouble for Gun Owners
States may say yes, but the feds say no
The problem is this: The medical marijuana laws are state laws. Possession of marijuana is still illegal under federal law.
In 2011, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) made that very clear in an open letter addressed “To All Firearms Licensees.” In it, the ATF leaves no doubt that it views the simultaneous possession of a gun and marijuana as a crime, even if you’re using marijuana medically and are a registered MMJ user in your state.
Discuss the latest research in the MS News Today forums!
In January 2017, the ATF went a step further by revising its Form 4473. That’s the form you need to complete when you buy a gun from a dealer. The revision adds a warning to Question 11.e, the question that asks you whether you use an illegal drug. It now reads (emphasis in the original text):
Your MMJ card could be a ‘smoking gun’
“[U]sing a controlled substance is a prohibitor [to gun possession], similar to being convicted of a felony offense. If you hold a license to use marijuana for medical use, there’s no exception for that prohibition under federal law.”
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If medical weed users own a gun at the same time, that's a conflict of interest.
That makes it, a part of the gun control conversation.
If a drug dealer has an illegal gun on their person, and illegal drugs on their person as well, that's another conflict of interest, and also another page, to the gun control conversation.
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Define "sensible gun control"
Background checks are already mandatory, how do you not know this?
Banning bump stocks did nothing to make anyone safer.
If laws save lives why are we complaining about all the murders?
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great now we'll need to ban fingers
I find their faith in the law disturbing.
It appears no one was harmed in that video, could it be it's not the object but the person/sicko that's the problem?!?!?! say it ain't so.
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If it was rewritten to look like the below?
Here's an idea for a BILL:
Amending the Second Amendment, so that it addresses the offenders and criminals who used their weapons in an illegaI manner, thus abusing their second amendment rights?
That addresses, those gun owners who lawfully purchased their weapon, but then used that lawfully purchased gun to commit gun violence with it?
This way the victims of gun violence and the families, are recognized within the preamble of the Second Amendment, just as the first time offenders and criminals are for their crimes of gun violence?
Fair and equal representation, being represented within the dialogue of the Second Amendment itself?
Is that the issue?
The Second Amendment being changed to reflect gun violence, via how the offenders and the criminals killed innocent people with their guns?
Wouldn't it be educational to see if some of the pro gun organizations, in the United States, conducting any poll, studies, or surveys, to see how the United States public as a whole, would feel about the Second Amendment being amended, or changed, to reflect the modern days and age, that we currently live with, and in?
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