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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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I honestly have had all I can take of the idiocy, good luck but I'm out of here, I should have quit a while ago. Your logic and facts go totally ignored, but props to you for sticking it out this long.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
The Animals
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@Applesause
https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/ward-anderson/americas-obsession-with-guns-is-a-real-mental-illness_a_23231167/
"America's Obsession With Guns Is A Real Mental Illness
The country needs to stop pretending that the fetishizing of assault rifles and the fantasizing about armed insurrection are somehow completely normal."
@CYDdharta
@Applesauce
What say the two of you?
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It is not armed insurrection it is a common defense to the general welfare. It is the fact that people who wish to remove a common defense are asking people to assume soul burden of their defense. This added burden comes at the cost of their lives. “The Country needs to is.” becomes a declaration working against independence as it forms a united state not regulated by constitutional principles. Why do you then attempt to Amendment something that is totally unrelated to the real cause? Punishing people who are not the criminal may not be an illness, yet. It’s just illegal while at the same time using cost as a punishment is tyrannical form of governing.
This type of political posturing places people within the line of fire as the helplessness of unconstitutional action leaves no common defense to their welfare and posterity. Politically the ideal belief is the Country needs other things as well.
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"If these children are being used to push legislation that would affect me they certainly have something to do with me, and thus it is my business."
Where's your evidence to support your claims? That some kids are being used to push legislation?
Do you have a names list, that mentions those kids names, by name?
And that they are interfering with your gun owning rights, in the way that you're describing?
"They should be disgusted at seeing children being used by politicians and political operatives to push an agenda that isn't supported by the American public."
What politicians, or political operatives, are you talking about?
Do you have a list of their names as well?
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For the record legislation against the United States Constitution, or a member of its Unions the State Constitution, by truth and whole truth, without common defense is an armed insurrection. The 2nd Amendment describes laws as a possible weapon to be altered, or even band completely from the constitutional order. As laws, press itself, is also capable of generating intentional harm to others as an action not petition of grievance to constitutional law.
This is done by act of military tribunal within the judicial separation and leaves the authorities who assume this burden the responsible of its conflicts of interest if any. The second blade in the hands of blind justice left half naked to judge impartiality not truth, not sexism.
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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We need to go back to better legislation control. That is what is truthfully missing.
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"We have gun control...……..
We need to go back to better legislation control. That is what is truthfully missing."
Even in the face of the 1968 Gun Control law, gun violence is happening every day.
Non race on race on race, gun violence crimes.
Race on race, gun violence crimes.
The mass shootings, gun violence crimes that have occurred.
How many drive by shootings gun violence crimes happen in the US?
How many innocent kids have been killed by gun violence, in a car with their families, or at home with their families as well?
There were two kids, who were shot to death while they were sitting in a vehicle?
How many Police Officers have been shot while sitting inside of their Police cars?
So does the above look like any sort of gun control to any of the pro gun extremist crowd?
@CYDdharta
@Applesause
Does the above look like any sort of gun control to you, @John_C_87?
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Why can't you, with some responsibility, answer the questions, I asked you, without pushing the questions back at me?
(This isnt an answer.)
(This, isn't an answer either.)
Why can't you provide a legitimate answer, or some evidence to support your claims?
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@Applesauce
@CYDdharta
"We say "there goes the anti-2nd Amendment guy, posting more leftist trash again". You're going to go to a failed "comedian" for political advice??? Really?"
What does the above commentary have to do with the theme of the forum?
I'm pro Second Amendment (provided that, any US citizen isn't having an offender or a criminal using their weapon, to commit any gun violence crimes, against any other US citizen?)
Along with being pro community, pro family, and pro law abiding.
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YES!!!
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In whole truth TKDB yes it looks just like gun control. Is it what law makes expect as amendments to independence are made on United States constitution and not the state of criminal independence? No. It still looks like gun control to me, truthfully and honestly. The gun and its misuse is being the facture of control to create a justification to abuse United States Common defense to the general welfare. The criminal is forcing lawmakers and the general pubic to punish the citizen without their trial, unlike the suspected criminal.
Can you confine the self-value and cost placed on the words limit on gun control as grievance to independence?
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Again the 2nd Amendment to any United States, Constitutional or not, as right to common defense does not address gun ownership. The changes is made to the formation of peaceable assembly to include those who are owners of fire-arm. Any court ruling including Supreme Court is up for argument of appeal when this principle is shared as the grounds for legal precedent for removal of a right that is not represented in its change made on Constitutional precedent. The 2nd Amendment clearly states a militia is a well-armed assembly that would be brought to bear to preserve liberty. The defense of Freedom in any state is a preservation made also as a limit to cost and self-value. Not a promotion of recklessness.
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The below is my position:
(I'm pro Second Amendment (provided that, any US citizen isn't having an offender or a criminal using their weapon, to commit any gun violence crimes, against any other US citizen?) Along with being pro community, pro .family, and pro law abiding.)
And I would appreciate it, if you would refrain, from apparently trying to mindfully pervert my Second Amendment position, with these words from you:
"You are NOT pro 2nd Amendment! You want to change the 2nd Amendment (in some fashion, you've never stated how it should be changed, only that it should be changed). People who are pro 2nd Amendment are happy with it the way it is."
You're not going to tell me, what my position is, and I'll thank you, to respectfully leave my position alone.
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YES!!!"
Gun violence is happening every day.
Non race on race on race, gun violence crimes?
They have not happened since 1968?
Race on race, gun violence crimes.
They have not happened since 1968?
The mass shootings, gun violence crimes that have occurred.
They have not happened since 1968?
How many drive by shootings gun violence crimes happen in the US?
They have not happened since 1968?
How many innocent kids have been killed by gun violence, in a car with their families, or at home with their families as well?
They have not happened since 1968?
There were two kids, who were shot to death while they were sitting in a vehicle?
They have not happened since 1968?
How many Police Officers have been shot while sitting inside of their Police cars?
They have not happened since 1968?
So all of the gun violence crimes that have occurred since 1968, all of them are maybe lies, right?
None of the school mass shootings never happened right?
The Vegas mass shootings, gun violence crime was maybe, a lie as well right?
The March For Our Lives in DC, was just a big lie, all of the news media outlets were in with that big lie, to interfere with your individual right to own your own guns, right?
So all of the gun violence that's occurred since 1968, its a massive nation wide conspiracy, plotting against the Second Amendment, with the thousands of gun violence crimes, all being made up by the victims of the families, and the news media outlets, all working together, to come after the guns belonging to the law abiding gun own right?
There haven't been any gun violence crimes, since 1968, because we have gun control?
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"There haven't been any gun violence crimes, since 1968, because we have gun control?"
Gun control is not crime control they are not the same thing, and better yet a United States citizen’s right to own a gun does not come from the 2nd Amendment. It is a United State Constitutional law in common defense. Any and all control has dictated who has been unarmed to be shot.
The person who holds the gun in a shooting is not always responsible for a mas shooting. Just as someone can beat someone, or several people to death with a gun and it is still a violent crime without any shooting taking place. The suggestions made by use of unconstitutional gun law, laws not set to confine the independence which is created by the criminal, is an amendment made on the Common defense to the general welfare as it is this right which is held in U.S. Constitution. So what does that mean by 2nd Amendment in American English? It means legislation is be moving where the weapon arm of law is in the wrong place/position period.
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Are you a defense attorney?
"The suggestions made by use of unconstitutional gun law, laws not set to confine the independence which is created by the criminal, is an amendment made on the Common defense to the general welfare as it is this right which is held in U.S. Constitution. So what does that mean by 2nd Amendment in American English? It means legislation is be moving where the weapon arm of law is in the wrong place/position period."
I wish that the gun violence victims who have survived the mass shootings, at their schools had a bigger voice in this very debate.
Instead of the pro gun extremists, voicing their opinions, from within the confines of a debate forum, instead of doing it in real life, around the victims who survived various gun violence crimes.
Because at the rally, I saw one pro gun individual, wearing his freedom of speech on his shirt, and he wasn't saying anything to anyone.
That's the real life difference between a debate forum, and a rally where the survivors of gun violence, expressed their selves, and then had some creating stories, about who was using them, to push any sort of a narrative, with no facts to back up the made up claims.
That's the real life difference, between the internet, and a rally where human beings were being real with each other.
If there are murders being committed each year, via gun violence crimes.
IE non race on race murders, race on race murders, a parent going home, and then killing their own family, and then committing suicide, drive by shootings that have killed kids, and police officers being killed in the line of duty?
Those guns, being used to commit those crimes, somethings not adding up right, with the amount of illegal guns in the country, verses the lawfully owned ones?
Gun control needs to be addressed, because enough innocent lives, have been taken, by the offenders and criminals with guns, infringing on the rights of innocent people, by having gun violence crimes illegally being committed against them?
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I am a man defending the United States Constitution. I wish a friend lived past his shooting, robbery, it did not happen. It was long before the shooting issues in relationship to school, bathroom bombings were the thing, and his death wasn’t our area’s run of the mill occasional hunting, or gun cleaning accident.
If using statistics of crime as it relates to gun fatality along with gun related violence the statistics of crimes stopped by gun’s and their proper application must be accounted for and weighed against them. The judicial separation has a scale with to empty pans to fill. To not do so is a crime in itself the crime is called fraud, also the statistic of use with common defense like the ballistic shield should be made, along with other available precaution/protections alone this avenue. This is how fires and many deadly issues are normally dealt with publicly. The legislation of United States Constitutional right is not an attack on the unconstitutional attack made by criminal in their pursuits of independence. that is really what has been brought to the table here. They are not even on the same the same precedent held in documentation of legislation, Independence, constitution, as a whole truth.
So;I would not expect this type of constitutional responsibility from a person grieving loss. A child. an adult. I was in 11th grade at the time of his shooting the violence of his death was not school related, it was on the job. However if he had been armed with his hunting gun there is no doubt he would be the one that walk away. He would have had at least the chance to throw the money on the ground and walk away, it was so little money.
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Because when it comes the amounts of gun violence being committed by them, their gun violence crimes, have been, and are in the news, more than the other various things that are in the news?
And there's no amount of any type of pro gun extremist, Second Amendment narrative talking points, that are going to be able to downplay that.
You cant downplay the previous mass shootings, or the gun violence crimes in general.
No matter how much you dislike the preamble to the Second Amendment being left alone.
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Prove why the below is irrelevant to you?
A thought, maybe gun control, in a sense, belongs to the offenders and criminals?
Because when it comes the amounts of gun violence being committed by them, their gun violence crimes, have been, and are in the news, more than the other various things that are in the news?
And there's no amount of any type of pro gun extremist, Second Amendment narrative talking points, that are going to be able to downplay that.
You cant downplay the previous mass shootings, or the gun violence crimes in general.
No matter how much you dislike the preamble to the Second Amendment being left alone.
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how many gun murders take place in the U.S.?
what % of murders are legal gun owners?
now do the math.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
The Animals
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"how many guns and gun owners are there in the U.S.?"
From Wikipedia:
"Gun ownership is the act of owning agun. In 2018, Small Arms Survey reported that there are over one billion small arms distributed globally, of which 857 million (about 85 percent) are in civilian hands.
U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms"
how many gun murders take place in the U.S.?"
From Wikipedia:
"Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide. Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents."
what percentage of murders are legal gun owners? now do the math.
From Wikipedia:
Gun violence in the United States
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What are your thoughts on the below?
A thought, maybe gun control, in a sense, belongs to the offenders and criminals?
Because when it comes the amounts of gun violence being committed by them, their gun violence crimes, have been, and are in the news, more than the other various things that are in the news?
And there's no amount of any type of pro gun extremist, Second Amendment narrative talking points, that are going to be able to downplay that.
You can't downplay the previous mass shootings, or the gun violence crimes in general.
No matter how much you dislike the preamble to the Second Amendment being left alone.
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"Naturally, being anti-2nd Amendment, you never look at the other side of the issue."
Do you have the ability to think for me?
Do you have my brain along with your brain, within the same confines of your skull, CYDdharta?
Program my brain, with some of your pro gun Second Amendment extremist dialect. because you have the gift, to tell people how they think according to your pro gun extremist narratives?
Show gun control, that CYDdharta is the brain, in charge of how gun control is going to be talked to?
Because when it comes to the Second Amendment it belongs to you, and the innocent kids and adults killed by guns, where do their gun violence deaths, fit into your pro Second Amendment gun extremist mindset at?
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https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/how-many-lives-are-saved-by-guns-and-why-dont-gun-controllers-care/
Does this website, maybe read like a Second Amendment pro gun extremists bible?
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Laws are now point at, not down, I suggest highly you know and not think you know in which direction they point.
They are a 2nd Amendment weapon. Remember all that Amendment does is describe clearly it is a group which can bring forth a weapon to bear as it is freedom which is defended and has no written or spoken cost, or self value.
Criminals are in pursuit of independence and the forcible removal the same, only sometimes with use of fire-arm, not always. This is the basic principle in connection crime makes to law, as state that is creating any union with all criminals is the removal of personal property. This can include fire-arms as well as any other things people may hold of cost and value. Propriety a liberty of independence.
The law is being foolishly created to add punishment for those who wrongfully take common things from rightful people who are defending the United States constitution. No down play of any shooting, be it mass group, or not, effective legislation in line with motives for efficacy to the process of judicial separation instead of laws as political short cuts to deals will revers the political motive producing the results we see today with shooting in public as a whole.
The 2nd Amendment has no preamble in the course of change of united state constitution, including its preamble, The changes on it do not effect any right from a declaration of independence. Crime is an act of independence and Law is an act of constitution. In America it was a United State Constitution. Meanwhile; youth ask the question why aren’t the law working, the answer there are told. Sorry, not enough laws, really this explanation is appropriate to you? Laws addressing harm directly are going ignored and the tool of harm makes a difference in these matter outside of political deals?
To say it clearly the negligence is not on any owner of a gun in mass shooting it is in the public for not following a precedent already legally in place for the common defense of human welfare. The crime is the burden of the gun holder/user.
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A form of (gun control,) inspired by you, if I owned a hypothetical gun shop, and you came into the shop, and while you were inside roaming around, and expressing your pro gun extremist narratives, and you maybe showed some interest in seeing a particular gun, and after you looked at it, and you decided, that you wanted to purchase said gun, I would not be able to sell a weapon to you.
So the only solution, to be had from reading your individual narratives, would be to refrain from selling you a hypothetical gun, and that solution, could be a form of gun control, that I could utilize, given your pro Second Amendment gun extremist stance?
And I would have that right, wouldn't I CYDdharta?
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"No, of course someone who wants to overturn the 2nd Amendment would get it wrong."
Where is your individual evidence to support your above rhetoric?
Who is this someone, that you are alluding to?
"What would be the LEGAL justification for denying the purchase?"
Doesn't any business owner have the right to not provide a service to any individual?
Is it stated within the preamble of the Second Amendment, that a individual seeking a firearm from a gun shop, has the right to purchase a firearm, at the customers request, because the Second Amendment says so?
"And what are pro gun extremist narratives?"
Aren't you a pro gun extremist?
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A gun shop is far different from a bakery, therefore you would be denied.
So what reason would you use to pursue buying a gun from my shop, if I already told you no?
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"That would, of course, be you; as you're the only one who has said the 2nd Amendment needs to be changed."
Wrong. My position again, (I'm pro Second Amendment (provided that, any US citizen isn't having an offender or a criminal using their weapon, to commit any gun violence crimes, against any other US citizen?)
Along with being pro community, pro family, and pro law abiding.)
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Along with being pro community, pro family, and pro law abiding.
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Person B wants to buy an item.
Person C does not approve of the transaction.
Who should get their way? The answer is obvious. Person C cannot tell person B, "Oh, I think these socks will not look good on you, so your transaction is cancelled!" Person C cannot also say, "I think you should pay me your fair share, hence I take a 15% cut off your transaction".
Yet, if the role of the person C is played by the government, then suddenly their demand is seen as reflective of the greater good principle.
I am looking forward to the day when we end these authoritarian debates once and for all, and just let people interact with each other consensually however they please. With no taxes, with no "bans", with no mandatory background checks. One person sells, another person buys. That's it.
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https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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No answers for the below?
"Naturally, being anti-2nd Amendment, you never look at the other side of the issue."
Do you have the ability to think for me?
Do you have my brain along with your brain, within the same confines of your skull, CYDdharta?
Program my brain, with some of your pro gun Second Amendment extremist dialect. because you have the gift, to tell people how they think according to your pro gun extremist narratives?
Show gun control, that CYDdharta is the brain, in charge of how gun control is going to be talked to?
Because when it comes to the Second Amendment it belongs to you, and the innocent kids and adults killed by guns, where do their gun violence deaths, fit into your pro Second Amendment gun extremist mindset at?
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"Suntrust Bank shooting suspect 'always hated people and wanted everyone to die,' ex-girlfriend says"
"An ex-girlfriend of the man accused of killing five people in a Florida bank says he "always hated people" but that she thought nothing of it when he recently bought a gun.
A judge on Thursday ordered former prison guard trainee Zephen Xaver, 21, held without bond, one day after he barricaded himself in a bank in Sebring and opened fire, then called 911 and announced "I have shot five people."
Xaver recently relocated to central Floridafrom Indiana. Alex Gerlach told WSBT-TV in Indiana she had an on-and-off relationship with Xaver for two years, and had kept in contact every few months since. She said he often talked about wanting to hurt people.
"I never understood where it started," she told the station. "For some reason (he) always hated people and wanted everyone to die."
She said he bought a gun last week, but that she and others had shrugged it off because he alway liked guns.
“Every single person I’ve told has not taken it seriously, and it’s very unfortunate that it had to come to this,” Gerlach said.
"Sebring Mayor John Shoop said his close-knit community was rocked by the attack and that "tragedies like this are not supposed to happen here."
"Acts like this cannot deter us from living our lives freely from fear and deprivation," the mayor added. "The path turned dark today, but as we move on we will grow stronger."
The supposed gun control, that has been reiterated on, is pretty much, an apparent, non existent illusion, as long as first time gun violence crimes continue to sadly be committed, along with criminally perpetrated gun violence crimes as well?
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