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Ok, even if it is his right to decide what is good or not he still needs to know or possess some sort of concept about what moral goodness is and what it isn't. And this concept will have to be influenced by other external factors which would then mean God is no longer the ultimate Authority on what morality actually is. One cannot say something is moral because "God said so, and God knows what morality is because he is God;" this reasoning is circular.
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Interesting. You do realize that in this particular instance that God could have deemed it to be morally good for all human beings to inflict an endless amount of pain and suffering on one another? In fact, all things that many of us human beings consider evil might actually be considered morally good just so long as God said so?
Another thing do you also realize that then if Morality is dependent God then anything is permitted without him?
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Interesting. You do realize that in this particular instance that God could have deemed it to be morally good for all human beings to inflict an endless amount of pain and suffering on one another? In fact, all things that many of us human beings consider evil might actually be considered morally good just so long as God said so?
Another thing do you also realize that then if Morality is dependent God then anything is permitted without him?
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Interesting. You do realize that in this particular instance that God could have deemed it to be morally good for all human beings to inflict an endless amount of pain and suffering on one another? In fact, all things that many of us human beings consider evil might actually be considered morally good just so long as God said so?
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>Well, that's all very interesting considering you've been engaged in a subject relative to this question in the last few or more posts with maxx.
That is why its a tangent. It's only relative to this topic.
>Also, this thread is about descriptions about God's character assuming he does exist. And since this would include moral qualities of that character my question is very relevant and appropriate to the topic.
Then we disagree.
>However, if you don't want to answer the question then that's fine; you don't have to.
Thanks. But I did not say I didn't want to answer, I said I didn't want to answer here. If you can't be bothered to make a new thread, my decision was correct.
>PS, I also have actually asked you this on another thread about morality but you never answered.
I don't remember, but my guess is that you probably did the same thing there. I call it sniping. The atheist suddenly comes into a rolling conversation with a tangential question he feels is pertinent. In some threads I get 3 or 4 of these. I cannot indulge sniping.
>I have actually created more than one thread too about morality.
Then just direct me to the thread you think is appropriate. This need not be this difficult.
>But like I said if you don't want to answer that's fine.
I'm here voluntarily. If I didn't want to answer, I could simply say so, or not post in the thread. Here is an opportunity to learn something about me. I can't be goaded.
>Just don't say something is off-topic when it is evidently not; this will help you in your own position too.
Your question is indeed off topic. The OP's question is actually about the the bible, not God. But we can disagree, that's fine too.
I'm actually enjoying the convo you and maxx are having. The position he's taken is interesting given our earlier convo. He is not well informed, but your position is without merit because it is illogical.
But please do continue.
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The Bible is fact, and there are two lab tests almost everyone I meet are unaware of.
The question your asking requires an exhaustive explanation of evidence.
I've realized most people don't even begin to understand collectively what religion is.
Religion deals with the ohilosiohy of social interactions, not with God or the origin of the human race.
Second, the logical fallacy of religion is that the god's that are claimed to exist in religions never once interacted with a person, so the knowledge of their existence, is impossible.
Do you want an exhaustive explanation?
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Would you like to elaborate as to why you disagree or would you prefer to merely just state you disagree?
Have you actually ever thought about saying anything in regards to the actual content of what I said rather than conjecturing up random theories about why I said what I said or might have said what I said?
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Interesting. You do realize that in this particular instance that God could have deemed it to be morally good for all human beings to inflict an endless amount of pain and suffering on one another? In fact, all things that many of us human beings consider evil might actually be considered morally good just so long as God said so?
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#3 He is a Jealous God and exacts exclusive devotion.
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Ok, before I continue with other stuff and I've got loads btw, hehe. Do you also accept that according to your current stance that God could actually be the Devil that created everything? He could deem what we might call immoral acts actually moral?
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Okay, let's try this another way. What is something that you consider immoral?
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Logic should guide our steps.
There are four possibilities in life.
Something vs Nothing
#1 If there is Nothing
We live life as if there is Nothing
We receive Nothing
#2 If there is Something
We live life as if there is Nothing
We receive Nothing
#3 If there is Nothing
We live life like there is Something
We receive Nothing
#4 If there is Something
We live life like there is Something
Then there is a chance we will get Something
Undeniable proof is impossible. There are people questioning if the earth is a sphere. There are also people questioning if man landed on the moon. Whenever you have any evidence, that evidence can be questioned and denied.
If there is something beyond your human perception, the discovery of this something is definitely beyond our lifetime.
It is true there are too many religions, all of them claiming to be right.
I believe you should read and study all religious books and information to outline your own path to possibly please this Something. Especially the book that stands out, the Bible. We have to use the tools and information we have at our disposal, to make the most logical decision we can make at this time. So the most logical way is to live life like there is Something. That way if for some reason reality turns out to be option #4, there is a chance for Something. At least it beats doing Nothing.
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I disagree.
>Would you like to elaborate as to why you disagree or would you prefer to merely just state you disagree?
It is a tangent. Thousands of things are related to our subject. We have the ability to create new threads just for those reasons.
>Have you actually ever thought about saying anything in regards to the actual content of what I said rather than conjecturing up random theories about why I said what I said or might have said what I said?
I responded to your question.>
>I have actually created more than one thread too about morality.
Then just direct me to the thread you think is appropriate. This need not be this difficult.
Lol. OK.
>well, that's at least what I would do if I was you anyway; you make yourself look less silly that way.
By doing what you would do? OK.
It is absurd, but you will notice, you penned it.
We don't disagree about what was said. We disagree on how pertinent your tangential question is.
>You and other readers can verify this but unless I'm living in a parallel world this is precisely what was said in the OP this debate which is titles "Just Good Old God:"
What? I cannot find a topic enjoyable if its off topic? You are free to babble on off topic subjects, I don't.
>I myself usually ignore posts that I think are off-topic.
As do I, and notice I have ignored your off topic question.
>Anyway, since you say he is not well informed perhaps you can help him out?
Why would I do that?
>Also, at the same time maybe you could explain why my position is illogical as opposed to just boldly asserting it?
Succinctly state your position so there is no later confusion.
Have you ever had anyone answer the former? My time is limited, I don't like games.
>If it is the latter then I'm for that where we can have an enjoyable exploration and exchange of ideas;
"Enjoyable" to you, right?
>if it's the former then that's not what I call debate, and I'm not interested in continuing with you.
Lol. Ok
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I have to say that I was expecting a bit more from you than sarcasm, derision, projection, deflection and blatant acts of desperation. My mistake; I was obviously expecting a bit too much. I think we're done here.
By all means continue to respond but forgive me if I do not respond back as I will likely be assuming a similar response to your last one. But if that's what you want to do then so be it. In this particular point in the thread with you this is where I say goodbye. Have a nice day.
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>I have to say that I was expecting a bit more from you than sarcasm, derision, projection, deflection and blatant acts of desperation. My mistake; I was obviously expecting a bit too much. I think we're done here.
Lol. You can't control the debate, but you can control the ending eh? You were done a few responses ago Z.
>By all means continue to respond but forgive me if I do not respond back as I will likely be assuming a similar response to your last one.
Confirmation bias works.
>But if that's what you want to do then so be it. In this particular point in the thread with you this is where I say goodbye. Have a nice day.
Thanks. You too.
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And this bit is where you let yourself down miserably. What you've just said here is a reflection that you don't know how rational discourse works. You did somewhat indicate this a few response back but these later responses just confirm that even more.
The one and the only reason I am now done with you is that my efforts to engage in civil and rational discourse with you have proven futile. So don't go and delude yourself into thinking that you're some superior debater that has beaten me; that's not even how debate works, but it obviously is how your mind works! You simply are not worth my time to have a serious discussion with.
By all means, continue to respond to this as I could do with another laugh just like the last one.
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>I have to say that I was expecting a bit more from you than sarcasm, derision, projection, deflection and blatant acts of desperation. My mistake; I was obviously expecting a bit too much. I think we're done here.
Lol. You can't control the debate, but you can control the ending eh? You were done a few responses ago Z.
>And this bit is where you let yourself down miserably. What you've just said here is a reflection that you don't know how rational discourse works.
Still trying to be a teacher huh? You aren't a judge Z. You are not a referee. I am not applying for your validation or approval.
You would do better if you just stated your argument and then countered any rebuttals. All you do now is pontificate smugly on your opponent's style. That isn't debate.
Get rid of the lame liberal belief that only you are rational, and whatever you don't believe is untrue. It's absurd.
>You did somewhat indicate this a few response back but these later responses just confirm that even more.
I have many fans, but few of them are interested in your psychoanalysis of me. They logged in to see a debate. You aren't nearly as captivating as you think you are.
>The one and the only reason I am now done with you is that my efforts to engage in civil and rational discourse with you have proven futile.
So you posted again after saying goodbye to say you were done with me? OK.
>So don't go and delude yourself into thinking that you're some superior debater that has beaten me;
I am a superior debater, but I say so because you didn't debate. You complained that I didn't do what you liked, and inexplicably tried to become a teacher instead of a debater.
You may be equal to me in debating skill, but we'll never know unless you stop strutting and actually debate.
>..that's not even how debate works, but it obviously is how your mind works! You simply are not worth my time to have a serious discussion with.
Then I am honored you had a few minutes to come back and tell me again how little I was worth your time.
>By all means, continue to respond to this as I could do with another laugh just like the last one.
Funny, you don't sound amused. Experience has thought me that when an atheist claims to be laughing, he's quite miffed.
Look, focus on the debate itself and not on your oh so astute observations of your opponents character.
Let your premium member badge and your debate skills do your bragging for you.
Have a nice day.
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>at one point during my post, you made a claim without any justification that I was uniformed;
Your posts are ample justification.
>not any where true and as well you never said what I was uniformed at.
Are you informed at anything?>
>As well I could say you are uniformed at many topics such as cellular nutrition or ancient history.
You could say anything at all. But I happen to be informed about both cellular nutrition and ancient history.
>I think half of what you claim to be your knowledge is mostly found by looking it on the web in which even a 10 year old could do.
I have an education, and if you had one too, you would know that google mining is not a substitute.
>claiming that god has only good qualities is what is absurd when the bible points out the opposite ones as well.
I did not claim God had only good qualities, I said your criteria for calling qualities of God "bad" were incoherent. An education would have helped you see the difference.
>however just ignore them and pretend that they are not in the bible and perhaps we can take the bible back into time and have the church leaders remove those bad qualities from the books like so many other things that they removed.
It is comments like that which are justification for the claim that you are uninformed.
>maybe that will make you happy for then you can point out that there was never any anger or jealousy or any other bad qualities in the bible.
Neither anger or jealousy are necessarily bad. As I tried to tell you, simply calling something bad doesn't make it bad, plus you had no standard for good and bad. What you call "bad" is simply what you don't like, and your tastes are not what morality is.
>you know what; God is an authoritarian and you can not be one by only have good character.
How old are you really? You sound like a 5 year old judging his father "bad" because he wouldn't let you play with a knife.
You may simply be too young for this convo.
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Let's look back at the topic.
If God is real and the Bible is true: Then the earth is much older than 6000 years. Man has only been alive for 6000 years. The Bible speaks about creative days, we know they are not 24 hours. Because God made the Sun and stars on the fourth day. So the creative days were not 24 hour periods. It seems like the creative days could have been 100s of millions of years each. Since God is the creator of "time" for the physical universe, time has no effect on him. Nevertheless, because he mentions the created items in days, there could have been an organized period. If you notice the Bible states God created animals on the fifth day. Then God creates man at the end of the sixth day. This lends to the understanding of why the fossil record be in rock. Also this could explain the Dinosaurs. Humans according to calculations double in population every 150 years. Counting backwards you arrive back aproximately 6000 years.
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  Entity Sentiment Detection: tons of concrete evidence    days   creation   Bible  
  Relevant (Beta): 75%  
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As we are to presume GOD is real, is not a religion, and the bible is true in that it reflects word of GOD. What does this say of character?
GOD is real. Is GOD a religion? The bible is a form of truth, is the bible whole truth in context? When the word of an axiom is revealed as truth it’s meaning is logical. An axiom itself is neither just male or only female, it is an expression of logic, or no logic and is simply self-evident.
Is that an answer to be told of character in GOD? Imagine what the world would be like if God had been only a religion.
  Considerate: 93%  
  Substantial: 64%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 6.84  
  Sources: 1  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: entire bible    sake of the argument   whole truth   expression of logic  
  Relevant (Beta): 90%  
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  Considerate: 86%  
  Substantial: 42%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 5.52  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: character traits    John c   Bible   things  
  Relevant (Beta): 84%  
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  Considerate: 93%  
  Substantial: 37%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 94%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.16  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: evidence    man   earth    
  Relevant (Beta): 99%  
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  Considerate: 82%  
  Substantial: 25%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 95%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 4.74  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: reject carbon    science   bother    
  Relevant (Beta): 60%  
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  Considerate: 87%  
  Substantial: 73%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 90%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.74  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: carbon dating    Little things   Carbon dioxide pollution   year piece of wood  
  Relevant (Beta): 84%  
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I’m afraid E T will avoid your question it’s just to tricky for him or maybe you’re in for the usual fury laden response
  Considerate: 72%  
  Substantial: 44%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 4.52  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: afraid E T    question   usual fury   laden response  
  Relevant (Beta): 87%  
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  Considerate: 80%  
  Substantial: 11%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 89%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.98  
  Sources: 1  
  Relevant (Beta): 90%  
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