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It started with him and Maxx talking about the morality of God. When I addressed a question to him about morality and God all of a sudden it was "apparently irrelevant." Convenient much?
What's more, is that he even continued to disagree with the fact that what Maxx had actually started this debate with which was "assuming that God exists then what can you tell me about his character?" Now, unless I am living in a parallel world I am pretty sure that is what Maxx wrote.
Also, when you're talking about a character of someone whether they be real or fictitious it evidently logically follows that would entail something about the morality of that character to or lack thereof.
Moreover, I decided to no longer engage in a serious discussion with E.T as he himself has proven he is not worthy of one. And definitely not worth my time.
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Maxx agreed as did E T slavery is evil but biblical slavery wasn’t ......slavery , yet the Bible states several times slaves are your property and tells how to purchase , beat and use them , ET claimed modern sport stars are also slaves even though they get paid millions a year.
The dishonesty of ET and hypocrisy is appalling he rants and rages at anyone who pokes holes in his pathetic arguments , funnily enough the tells everyone regarding the Bible “ read the text without your spin on it “ yet when confronted with slavery verses he reinterprets then with his own spin anything to avoid admitting his defeat..
You’re very wise ignoring him I will do the same as I note others have done also , he’s a troll and a very childish one at that
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It is like, philosophy deciding science has too many problems, then they try to explain everything through philosophy. There are a lot of conclusions they can come to, but there is a lot of conclusions philosophy will get wrong, and never be able to answer by itself.
Science did that same thing to Religion.
And Science cannot answer all the question
The Bible condemns superstition
I know you don't understand the definition of faith, most evidence is not seen. Unless you have personally implemented carbon dating. The connotation "evidence not seen" means you don't have to personally demonstrate the experiment. People focus too much on the unseen part. One Biblical scholar said, "proof though not personally performed". But this is what the Bible means about Wisdom.
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Luck is condemned in the Bible.
Science cannot answer all the questions on it's own. It is necessary!
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Luck is - success or failure apparently brought by chance
The problem is these things is the challenge of rulership and love.
But the cross is an idol.
Each of the things condemned has false gods behind them.
Religions who use this idol do not follow the Bible completely. Of course everyone has areas to grow. But use of the cross is direct violation of God's laws. We do not condemn, but we exhort to change their ways.
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Most people who do not study the Bible define Faith as strong belief. Whereas belief is the byproduct or result of Faith. If you look back at the scripture about the Bible's definition, faith has substance and evidence. So the absence of evidence means no basis for faith.
People think faith lacks evidence, because of the miracles mentioned in the Bible. Nevertheless, when we had miracles in our day, time was taken to research to see how it was done. Then a scientific break down was made to explain or understand the event. Calling the scientific break down evidence added creditability to the event. But before the break down occurred there was evidence that the miraculous event happened, it was the eye witness accounts.
The break down did nothing about proving whether the miraculous event occurred or not. Nevertheless, we call that break down evidence.
Faith takes in all the facts, the eye witness accounts, the scientific break down, plus anything else that is used to understand what actually happened.
People today who do not have that break down, claim that those events did not occur. That is why some feel that some of the events in WW1 & 2 did not happen.
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Faith has its secular definition.
ZeusAres42 is correct about the secular definition - strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
That is exactly what you, maxx, are referring to.
Nevertheless, the Bible's definition is different. True Faith cannot exist without evidence or substance.
If you look at the way people are rejecting the so called "evidence" of science
Evidence is not as concrete as we are taught to believe in school.
Better science is more about breaking the rules, seeing beyond what is possible.
Which is also the secular definition of faith.
a strongly held belief or theory.
Since every conclusion in science is theories.
Science is based on Faith.
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Can you describe this evidence and/or substance exactly?
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To me this is just an adaptation of the No True Scotsman Fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample...
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I was saying based on the secular definition. In the scientific method, a hypothesis has to be made, depending on the model, based on a belief. Then the experiments, studies, and research. The hypothesis, aka beliefs, aka claims come before the evidence.
With the Bible's definition, belief comes after the evidence.
Since Faith by definition is based on evidence. Christian's are allow to "dabble" in any field involving evidence.
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You say.....
Since Faith by definition is based on evidence. Christian's are allow to "dabble" in any field involving evidence
My reply ....By definition it’s not, it’s based on spiritual conviction and nothing else
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Yes I have researched how the bible was originally compiled and written. Yes, growing up with your same experiences I would be named maxx arguing against someone else named sand.
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Regardless of what the early churches did. Then study the Bible for yourself.
(When someone is late to work, for example, they like to shift the blame. Car broke down, traffic was heavy, etc. The big question of, you knew car was unreliable and traffic typically happens, why not leave early, or find other transportation, etc.)
Back to the question of what if the Bible is a Book from God?
I believe it is a concept that the majority of people have not considered.
The hugest assumption is the Bible cannot possibly be right, for various reasons.
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