Before we get going I would just like say that I am happy for this to be a general discussion where many topics relative to it can be explored.
So, the first thing I would like to clear up is what Atheism actually is. Now, I will grant that just as there are many self-proclaimed religious people that haven't got the faintest idea about the religion it is they claim to follow, there are just as many people that call themselves Atheists and have no idea what Atheism actually is. There are indeed people who call themselves Atheists that do have some kind of aversion to religious people and seem to be convinced with utter certainty that something unfalsifiable does not exist; but that's not what Atheism is!
Now, at the threat of sounding like I am committing a Definist or an Authority Appeal fallacy I will hold that my following explanation is in line with that of Linguists, Etymologists, Semanticists, and Philosophers. The true and agreed upon meaning (at least agreed upon by those experts in the field above) of Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. If you're having trouble with this think of Atheism like "A-theism;" notice the hyphen? The word "a" in Atheism has its etymological roots in the Greek Language where it denotes meaning such as "without belief, lack of belief, absent of belief, disbelief," etc. So, pace some others received wisdom Atheism is not a belief system, nor is it denialism. This is also the definition that I will adhere to throughout this debate, just like with Mathematics I also adhere to the standard order of operations for instance.
As to call Atheism a belief system, sorry if I sound condescending but I do find that kind of amusing. I mean how exactly can absent of beliefs be a belief system? I guess by that logic then all new born babies are born with a belief system eh?
The credit for the hyphen goes to Richard Dawkins where he considers it in the following video:
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"Sunday School" should be abolished. If one wants to study religion it should be a choice at the high school level (or above).
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First question would in fact be: What is a belief... No?
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How does Sunday school affect you personally?
If you don't attend any Religious events, then how can you personally be affected by any of the Religious events?
If you don't participate on any Religious websites, then how can that Religious website, personally affect you?
"I agree. All indoctrination into a "belief", either theistic OR a-theistic should never happen.
"Sunday School" should be abolished. If one wants to study religion it should be a choice at the high school level (or above)."
And who are you to try to dictate through your own rhetoric, about choices being made for others, if religious parents are sending their kids to Sunday School, Vacation Bible School?
How are you personally being affected if you aren't in any physical contact with any Sunday School, or Vacation Bible School functions, within the walking distance of your own residence?
I've yet to see any anti God, Jesus, or Bible individuals, protest any of the Religious buildings that I have personally gone to?
And saying that no child, should have to attend any Religious events because the anti Religious individuals have said so, through their public protest events, outside of an Internet forum?
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How does Abortion affect you personally?
In both scenario, the correct answer is: It doesn't...
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Ok then, so according to Linguists, Etymologists, Semanticists, and Philosophers, atheism is not a belief, it is " an absence of belief about a specific proposition"...
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In this sense, it is a definite belief system with it's own doctrine. In the more general sense of simply a "lack of belief in the existence of God or gods", it really denotes nothing more than confusion and a refusal to take a position on the issue at hand.
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If you want to play around with semantics, fine...
But the OP established his working definition in this particular debate, so this entire debate should work with the same, or we're not in fact debating the subject offered by the OP... So for the purpose of this debate, atheism is not a belief, as was established by the OP...
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I take it you also noticed the "For the purpose of this present survey" line too then? Anyway, what you said
Also, from the same source:
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You're off topic @Plaffelvohfen
The below is the theme:
"The true meaning of Atheism (AKA A-theism), and Explornaiton of Religion"
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I am not atheist because someone convinced me I should be one. I am atheist because every time I interacted with religions, I did not see anything logical in them, so I never had a reason to change my initial stance, which is that supernatural things do not and cannot exist in principle. Everything that exists is a part of nature, and if it is not a part of nature, then it only "exists" in our imagination, since our physical reality is bound to the nature.
How many theists can say the same: that they are theists not because someone convinced them they should be one, but because they came to the idea of God on their own, in their personal logical search? I have met such people, but they seem to be a rarity.
Now, I am not saying that every atheist position is more logical than every theist position; far from it. I do think, however, that theism strongly correlates with induced thinking patterns, and atheism correlates with informed thinking patterns quite a bit more.
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So, the first thing I would like to clear up is what Atheism actually is. Now,
Does this mean Atheist are people who simple admit to not believe in what other may call a God? Either sometime or all the time in a way that can be reciprocated by the person originally shown. As it stand atheism is simple just the admission to chose not to believe in what some may call God? Meaning there is room for the creation of a new word to describe the latter of the to options. Takes out flashlight and shines under chin, laughs in a slow and eyry way..... who...….ha ha ha...……….ha. Is often more frightening when in a exploring dark locations.
Trick or treat!
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FYI, on that Rational Wiki page you will find a plethora of information on Atheism as well as lots of links to credible and reputable sources explaining exactly what Atheism is and what it isn't. The following might also be of particular interest to some people as well:
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Traditional atheists have a belief and a doctrine, as do agnostics (an agnostic is - one who holds that the existence of anything beyond and behind material phenomena is unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable, and especially that a First Cause and an unseen world are subjects of which we know nothing). Since you have defined atheism as a lack of a belief, you have to exclude at least these two groups from your definition. It seems what you're after is those who doubt the existence of God but don't disbelieve in God. That's OK, but it excludes the traditional meaning of the term.
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I don't see where expressing an opinion is "dictating".
I DO think Sunday School is "indoctrinating" young minds. By the time they outgrow Sunday School they have, for the most part, a theory imbedded in their minds that they will likely carry forever. SOME will still think with open minds, SOME will realize that facts and theories learned after SS just do not sustain what they were taught, but, that will be a minority.
I believe that minority will get larger with each generation as we move forward and science becomes even harder to reject or question, thank intelligence.
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