I contend that there is no such thing as luck; it s simply a human concept. I have heard people claim that luck is just chance therefore since chance is real, then so is luck. Chance is not luck, it is a random event in which we attach our idea of luck upon, good or bad. What one may consider good luck for one, may be considered bad luck for someone else. we are simply attaching an human attribute to a random event and calling it luck. In doing so. we are believing in something that only exists with-in our minds.
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Luck
success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
If I strike a golf ball from a tee and it hits a rock and goes straight in for a hole in one is that “luck”? If it’s through my own actions that it went in? It happened to hit a rock and go in , what if I aimed for the rock hoping for that result is it luck?
Using this example would all golf shots be luck bad /good dependent on the bounce of the ball?
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****If you hit a rock that you were aiming for, you didn't hit it by chance
So was it going in the hole still luck or not?
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From the pure physics point of view, luck, or even randomness in general, does not exist (unless we are talking about some fine quantum effects, for which randomness may or may not exist, depending on the interpretation). However, it is a useful approximation for situations in which we cannot reasonably predict the outcome of an event, even if we have all the data we need to do so. When you flip a coin, in principle, with special equipment, I can pretty confidently predict the outcome of most flips, based just on how you hold a coin before doing so - however, in real situations, when it is just two or more people with nothing but clothes on their backs, this becomes absolutely impossible. Hence it makes sense to approximate the situation as a sequence of pure random events. And if something very unlikely statistically happens, such as ten tails in a row, with someone betting on tails every time, then we can say that they are extremely lucky - or that the game is rigged, depending on the situation.
In mathematics, we do deal with random events in a very rigorous manner. Only, instead of considering specific outcomes, we rather consider an object keeping all the possible outcomes and their probabilities within it. But mathematics, in itself, is, again, just an approximation of what happens in the real world. In reality, "probability" is a pure human concept, and the nature does not know what it is.
The question that philosophers of all kinds have been asking throughout the century is this: "Are there lucky and unlucky people?" Are there people who tend to consistently get better outcomes of random events than the pure statistical estimates suggest, and are there people who tend to consistently get worse outcomes?
Personally, I do not think this is the case. If someone seems to be outstandingly lucky, then one of the two factors are likely at play.
First, the person might have some rare trait that allows them to understand specific situations better than most other people are capable of. A person can make a bet in the casino that seemingly makes no sense statistically, but it does make sense from that person's perspective, as they notice something about how the game is played that other people miss. Maybe the person is extremely good at detecting bluff in poker, for example, which allows them to defy all seeming odds and win games consistently by making questionable bets.
And second - which, I believe, is the case most of the time - the person may just focus on the positive outcomes, dismissing the negative ones. If someone deeply believes that they are lucky, then they will see events that support this belief as significant, while those that do not as outliers. And even if on average the person's outcomes are exactly as they could expect statistically, their observational bias makes them see themselves as very lucky. And they project this attitude on others, who start believing the same.
You know how some people believe, for example, that they are not capable of doing mathematics, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? With luck, too, it is easy to deceive yourself by believing that you are just very unlucky, and even if you are actually not, you will act as an unlucky person would, and the world consistently seems to prove you right.
Similarly, there are people who seemingly are absolutely unable to play music, but they deeply believe that they are destined to become a great musician, so they keep practicing endlessly - until, one day, they, indeed, become a great musician. And similarly, with luck, someone who deeply believes that they are lucky will probably act in a way a successful person would, and even if they are not any more lucky than anyone else statistically, they will achieve a better outcome in pracitce.
This is a very interesting subject, with many layers of complexity.
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****
Right , so on a par 3 hole a pro golfer will always expect to hit the green yet a hole in one is a rarity can it be called “luck” if he aces it? He is after all aiming to get the ball into the hole in fewest strokes posibble
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****I am sorry to point it out but there is no luck in nature; there is only random events that our brain decides as what is or is not lucky@Dee
How do go about proving that?
It has sometimes been suggested that luck exists only if a certain interpretation of quantum mechanics is true: if causality is not “deterministic”. If physical determinism is true then every event that occurs is entirely predictable (in principle), by someone who knows enough about the universe and its laws.
If indeterministic physics is true, then such predictability is not possible: no one, no matter how much they know can predict every event that happens, even in principle.
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**** I suppose it comes down to belief.
But if the objective of the game is to get the ball in the hole in fewest strokes surely every shot is a genuine attempt to achieve that aim, how can it then be “luck “ if you make it?
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Luck
success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
You have still failed to address .....
****I am sorry to point it out but there is no luck in nature; there is only random events that our brain decides as what is or is not lucky@Dee
How do go about proving that?
It has sometimes been suggested that luck exists only if a certain interpretation of quantum mechanics is true: if causality is not “deterministic”. If physical determinism is true then every event that occurs is entirely predictable (in principle), by someone who knows enough about the universe and its laws.
If indeterministic physics is true, then such predictability is not possible: no one, no matter how much they know can predict every event that happens, even in principle.
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I'm 82 and I'm here to respond to your question. Call it luck? call it chance? I know a few that would call it "unfortunate", but, some of them are dead …….. I have to think they were "unlucky". Anyway, good luck to you.
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**** I suppose it comes down to belief. If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck. Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.
That would be a way of looking at it yes, but could our shot have turned out any different to the outcome as in what if everything was entirely predictable and the result of a long chain of events we have no control over?
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**** Its all random
Well no that’s not decided scientifically, opinions differ on the matter depending on who you ask
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***in the absence of any sentient being, there is only chance.
But chance is luck as the definition states .......
luck
/lʌk/
noun
noun: luck
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***** through ones action. luck is not chance;
Well it actually is despite your refusal to accept accepted definitions
****luck is how we decide how chance affects us.
Yes by chance , or maybe predetermined which again would mean their is no such thing as luck/chance
,****it takes humans to believe in luck and it is all with-in our minds and to believe in something that simply in our minds is akin to one believing in the biblical god that you are so quickly to deride.
The biblical god although a fiction is worthy of derision
Why would I? I’ve no need to appeal to authority
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***** Wouldn't that depend on whether or not people and their actions could ever be entirely predictable?
Yes exactly , there are many eminent people of science who think that our actions could indeed be entirely predictable and maybe in the future with the advances of technology we will be able to do so
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*****you are simply wrong in this matter.
You’re are simply wrong in this matter ......see how that works?
****a belief in luck is nothing more than a superstition.
So a belief in chance is superstition?.....accepted definition of Luck ..... success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
*****random events happen in nature, luck is an human attribute that we place upon the random event
Ok call it what it is chance events happen in nature, so if the term luck was abandoned if favour of chance you would be happy?
Take a whole in one “if I got one and said what’s the chances of that ? That would suit your pedantic mind set would it?
. *****a tree falls by chance; there is no luck attached to it for it has not affected a human in one way or the other. it is only when a chance happening in nature that affects humans, when humans them selves decide if it is luck, good or bad.
Yet another appeal to authority from you , you failed to address how luck is luck in a deterministic universe if everything is entirely predictable a thing scientists are split on
**** that I could quote so I simply do not see how you can classify yourself as a debater if you refuse to listen to or believe in any one other than thy-self.
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Your link says nothing of interest and is void of implication. You still need to look up the definition of luck your denial of such has you as usual involved in denial of accepted terminology
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@Dee
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luck
/lʌk/
noun
noun: luck
So chance /random events don’t happen in nature unless we observe them ....Ooooookay
****agree chance exist in nature,
You’ve just agreed luck exists......It’s to easy .....
..... luck
/lʌk/
noun
noun: luck
**** but you have failed to show where luck exists with out humans being involved.
Where did I make any such claims?
****take away humans and there is no luck because it only exists with in a persons mind.
I never claimed whether one was good or bad , but they’re still chance which is Luck
****show me where a random event occurs that is good or bad in itself with out a human saying it is good or bad. show me where if you took away humans, nature decides where a random event is good or bad luck. you can not because there is no brain behind nature; it requires humans to make that decision as to what happens is good or bad. show me. go by logic. is there a brain behind nature that decides if a random chance event is good or bad luck for humans? is there? of course not. it is humans that make thjat decision so therefore it resides within our minds and does not exist outside of it. You may as well believe that inanimate objects such as cars have personalities or on fortune cookies, or a magical sky daddy.
So from the start I defeated your argument as in you deny accepted dictionary definition of terminology, it’s all you ever do really as in believing ....You can get back to your hate piece now on same sex adoption
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***** **I agree chance exist in nature,
You’ve just agreed luck exists......It’s to easy .....
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Funny thing, in French (my native language) "luck" and "chance" are the same thing, in fact "luck" literally translate to "chance" (there are less common synonyms of course, but rarely used in everyday speech)... So when you say that chance is not luck, to me at least, it makes no sense at all as they have the same epistemological root...
Now that said, luck is not a "thing", it's not a mystical force or anything supernatural, it's just the description of an improbable result. If this result is favorable we describe that as "lucky" and if it's unfavorable we describe that as "unlucky"... If human or otherwise sentient beings did not exist, improbable events/results would still occur in nature, there just would not be anyone to describe them...
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***** no, I agree chance exists, chance is not luck.
Where did I state this? Maybe when you calm down you can attempt a rational defense although that may be expecting to much
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back to square one, someone is walking and by chance he trips, perhaps he stumbled over a rock. he falls over a tree stump and lands upon a pile of money. Now does nature make the decision on if it is good or bad luck again or is it the human that fell? To believe other than the human would mean you are saying there in an intellectual force behind random events that makes decisions on such thing as luck. other wise according to psychology alone, luck is a human concept, a belief that has no basis in nature. in poker if I get dealt 4 aces; that is pure chance, a coincidence and the player himself calls it luck, not the coincidence itself.@Plaffelvohfen
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