At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Why is it only one god who communicates with them this way why not several? Do the various gods only talk to their own?
One could observe an individual walking about the streets of any big city talking aloud about god and muttering prayers or bible verses and conclude the poor wretch was a lunatic yet do it in a church on Sunday and it’s seen as “normal” where the brainwashed fall to their collective knees and mutter incantations to the ceiling
Believers are unfortunate brain-washed sheeple they are more to be pitied than laughed at
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It is also well known that we come up with a lot of great ideas while sleeping (scientists and musicians are especially known for it), even though our conscious mind turns off for the duration of sleep, and science has only a partial explanation of this phenomenon.
I had an interesting experience in childhood. I was very sick, with a 40+C temperature not dropping for a couple of days; it was truly miserable, and my parents were so scared for me that they refrained from going to work and kept checking on me periodically.
At some point I started hallucinating, and I very vividly saw my mother bringing me a glass of water and me drinking that water. Then my mother left the room. She returned a few minutes later with another glass of water, and when I said that I do not want any more water, she objected that she had not brought water today to me yet.
That same day later I heard my parents arguing horribly, which did not happen very often. When I later asked my mother what happened, she said that no argument had taken place and she did not know what I was talking about.
Those were incredibly real experiences, yet they were illusions.
More to the point, have you ever studied for a few days straight almost non-stop for a difficult exam? If you have, then you remember those dreams in which the material of the exam appears vividly. I spent over a week studying for 14+ hours everyday for an exceptionally difficult comprehensive mathematics exam, and I vividly remember calculating complicated integrals in my dreams.
It is not a stretch to assume that a deeply religious person, exposed to the religious materials daily, eventually gets a dream in which he/she appears to be talking to some mysterious entity - categorising that entity as god then trivially follows. And even a non-religious person can get a strange experience of this kind, which he/she might interpret as being visited by god.
Do people actually have conversations with "god"? Of course not. However, from their point of view it might as well be the case, since their belief in god is so deep that it starts altering their subjective reality. This is a topic for an entirely separate discussion, however. Whether our thoughts are a product of our reality, or they define our reality, or it is both, or it is neither - is more a philosophical question, than a scientific one.
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Where's your legitimate Non anti Religious Evidence that you used to create the below questions with?
"Are any of these situation credible, or all they all schizophrenic?
Do people sometimes use "god" as justification for what they want, or to manipulate people?
If some people are making this up today, could the same thing have happened in the past?"
I'm questioning the legitimacy of your non Religious questions.
Because I fail to see how they are equal, and fair, to the rest of the Internet that isn't pro Atheist oriented.
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Man manipulates man with politics.
Man manipulates man with money.
Man manipulates man with abortion.
Man manipulates man with various forms of Non Religious oriented brainwashing tactics.
Like how the Internet is being used, by some, to undermine Religion, by some of the apparent anti Religious individuals?
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TKDB said: I will admit my questions are targeted ones. They are specifically designed to undermine the framework that holds belief together. What is more than that, they are designed to elicit emotion in those that understand the consequences of their answers.
Is there maybe something you would like to admit, not to me, not to the internet, but to yourself about your god beliefs?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Sure, it doesn't need evidence, if an anti religious individual, is trying to manipulate the Public with the Internet?
"A question does not need evidence, unless it wants to be a good question. An answer with no evidence is not an answer at all."
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Or do you think that everyone should only believe the truth?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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The Truths, and how I view it.
There are some manipulative and corrupt people using Religion to manipulate others with, just as there are some Atheists who are using the Internet, as well to manipulate some people with.
"Do you think that everyone should be allowed to believe what they want to believe?
Or do you think that everyone should only believe the truth?"
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You Troll on me, and my Pro family, pro community, and pro Religious Freedom stances are used to being Trolled on by you.
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So how can we know when we have found the truth? So that we can avoid manipulation and corruption?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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You Troll on me, and my Pro family, pro community, and pro Religious Freedom stances are used to being Trolled on by you.
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Get your filthy words out of my mouth @ZeusAres42
I didn't consent, to your unconsensual assault in my mouth.
"Likewise, and thanks for finally admitting that you like to troll others."
Going off topic, in regards @ZeusAres42
If you have an issue with me, then take it up with Aarong.
I'm a fair and equal conversationalist.
And if you can't be a fair and equal conversationalist @ZeusAres42, then I don't know to tell you sir.
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****Man manipulates man with illegal drugs.
Man manipulates man with politics.
Man manipulates man with money.
Man manipulates man with abortion.
*****Man manipulates man with various forms of Non Religious oriented brainwashing tactics.
You forgot to mention man manipulates man with religion ,whys that?
****Like how the Internet is being used, by some, to undermine Religion, by some of the apparent anti Religious individuals?
Like how the Internet is being used, by some, to undermine Atheism by some of the apparent anti Atheist individuals?
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****Man manipulates man with illegal drugs.
Man manipulates man with politics.
Man manipulates man with money.
Man manipulates man with abortion.
*****Man manipulates man with various forms of Non Religious oriented brainwashing tactics.
"You forgot to mention man manipulates man with religion ,whys that?"
I don't know, I'm not a manipulative or a corrupt person.
****Like how the Internet is being used, by some, to undermine Religion, by some of the apparent anti Religious individuals?
"Like how the Internet is being used, by some, to undermine Atheism by some of the apparent anti Atheist individuals?"
Who are you being undermined by Dee?
I'm pro Religious Freedom, pro Atheist, pro family, and pro Community.
I don't care what you express as an Atheist, as long as it's fair and equal conversation.
Fair and Equal to those who are being fair and equal to you Dee.
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You like to play with truth:
"Wanting the truth is a very reasonable thing to want.
"So how can we know when we have found the truth?
So that we can avoid manipulation and corruption?"
I'm not a psychologist, so I can't help you with your above rationale.
And the Truth below speaks for itself.
The Truths, and how I view it.
There are some manipulative and corrupt people using Religion to manipulate others with, just as there are some Atheists who are using the Internet, as well to manipulate some people with.
I wish you a good day.
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All of these people had the truth as they see it. When a Hindu believes in Vishnu, that is the truth as they see it.
How do you know which truth is correct?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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I view your Atheist questions, as a form of Atheist conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Atheist mind games.
You're not going to indoctrinate me, so I thank you, for educating me through your Atheist teachings, have a good day.
All of these people had the truth as they see it. When a Hindu believes in Vishnu, that is the truth as they see it.
How do you know which truth is correct?"
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I guess the seeds of doubt have already taken root then. If you ever decide you don't want to be part of religion, just know that more than ever you will not be alone.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Tell me again that you are not religious.
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@Happy_Killbot
I view your Atheist questions, as a form of Atheist conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Atheist mind games.
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You want to know truth, I want to know truth. Truth is obtained by asking questions and finding answers, isn't it?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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"When one person suffers from delusion it's called insanity. When MANY suffer from delusion it's called a religion." *Robert Persig*
"The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power to reason." *Voltaire*
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@Happy_Killbot
I view your Atheist questions, as a form of Atheist conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Atheist mind games.
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Here's the proof @TKDB is a fascist... You asked him : "do you think that everyone should only believe the truth?"
And his answer, in his own words:
How he views it... Facts do not matter, logic does not matter, nothing matters but HIS vision... He must fancy wearing brown shirts...
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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I view your Christian questions, as a form of Christian conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Christian mind games.
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I view your Atheist questions, as a form of Atheist conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Atheist mind games.
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I view your Christian questions, as a form of Christian conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Christian mind games.
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You’re off topic
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This is a debate site you idiotic troll, you as usual when asked a question cannot answer so instead you go into a childish sulk .....Do you ever intend on actually debating here?
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Truth does not "speak for itself". Truth does not speak for anything. Truth is a logical entity, and you should speak it and justify it for it to be demonstrably such.
Also, if you view every inconvenient question as conditioning, then your system of beliefs must be fragile indeed. Solid systems of beliefs do not crumble under minimal pressure.
This is what happens when you take everything written in an ancient fantasy book as a dogma: for your beliefs to survive, you have to run away from everything that challenges them.
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I am not the Subject of this forum, am I?
So why are you being off topic, by lamenting over my Words, to make your Atheist oriented argument with?
"@TKDB
Truth does not "speak for itself". Truth does not speak for anything. Truth is a logical entity, and you should speak it and justify it for it to be demonstrably such.
Also, if you view every inconvenient question as conditioning, then your system of beliefs must be fragile indeed. Solid systems of beliefs do not crumble under minimal pressure.
This is what happens when you take everything written in an ancient fantasy book as a dogma: for your beliefs to survive, you have to run away from everything that challenges them."
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You can answer these questions fairly easily without abandoning a christian worldview. Some of the links I have provided even give testimony from the church.
@RickeyD muted me so thankfully he isn't here, but I am certain that if he was he would contend with the problem by saying something like "it's the devil whispering to them" or "they are impostors, when the lord returns we will know" and then copy/paste from his blog.
This site is called "Debate Island". Do you think we are all here to whine when someone says something you don't like? You do not have to respond or take part in a thread that doesn't interest you, or for which you have no knowledge or input.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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And you can bait your Atheist fishing hook, and see who gives you the proper "Bite," to entertain your individual Atheist narrative with?
Again, I view your biased Atheist rhetoric as nothing more than using the internet to indoctrinate who you can with your Atheist pushed messaging?
"Has God ever told you anything?"
God hasn't told me anything, but it's educationally entertaining to see how some Atheists use the internet, to push unto the Public, their various types of Atheist messages?
"There have been countless individuals who make the claim that their god has revealed to them some sacred truth or secret. There is a long list of people who claim to be the second coming of Jesus.
On some occasions this has lead to murder."
And how many Atheists have been incarcerated for murder, in the United States?
And I wonder, if there might be a correlation between, their crimes, and some of the Atheist teachings, that they have been individually taught to them, by some of the other Atheists?
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And you can bait your Atheist fishing hook, and see who gives you the proper "Bite," to entertain your individual Atheist narrative with?
Again, I view your biased Atheist rhetoric as nothing more than using the internet to indoctrinate who you can with your Atheist pushed messaging?
"Has God ever told you anything?"
God hasn't told me anything, but it's educationally entertaining to see how some Atheists use the internet, to push unto the Public, their various types of Atheist messages?
"There have been countless individuals who make the claim that their god has revealed to them some sacred truth or secret. There is a long list of people who claim to be the second coming of Jesus.
On some occasions this has lead to murder."
And how many Atheists have been incarcerated for murder, in the United States?
And I wonder, if there might be a correlation between, their crimes, and some of the Atheist teachings, that they have been individually taught to them, by some of the other Atheists?
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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You're flattering yourself, it seems?
Nope, not hooked at all, being that I'm not an Atheist messaging addict, looking to be even more indoctrinated by any Atheist teacher.
And to present a Humane view on this Atheist argument from you.
There should be ZERO shooters in the United States at all, regardless if the shooter was an Atheist or Religious individual either way.
"There are 10 atheist shooters or serial killers in US history, Vs. 43 devout religious serial killers and shooters.
So for you to point out 10 Atheist shooters, verses 43 Religious shooters, is a creepy way to make your Atheist argument with, isn't it?
And it's even more creepy, to make more comparisons in regards to Atheist criminals, verses Religious criminals, isn't it?
Or to make other anti Religious arguments, using the Bible to reinforce your Atheist arguments with isn't it?
It's a creepy way to make some arguments, isn't it?
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I think we have very different definitions of what is creepy.
The way you end almost every statement with a question mark is creepy.
You are VERY hooked. You NEED these messages in your life, because it is the only way you can justify your god beliefs to yourself.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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You're hooked on yourself.
And your own word's are betraying your Atheist Indoctrination messenger pushing self.
God is bigger, than your self hyping Atheist Indoctrination self, could ever imagine being.
Your Atheist messaging, via your Individual electronic device, fails in comparison to the Billions of Bibles, that are in circulation around the Globe.
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Rewritten, to meet your Atheist argument needs.
You're flattering yourself, it seems?
Nope, not hooked at all, being that I'm not an Atheist messaging addict, looking to be even more indoctrinated by any Atheist teacher.
And to present a Humane view on this Atheist argument from you.
There should be ZERO shooters in the United States at all, regardless if the shooter was an Atheist or Religious individual either way.
"There are 10 atheist shooters or serial killers in US history, Vs. 43 devout religious serial killers and shooters.
So for you to point out 10 Atheist shooters, verses 43 Religious shooters, is a sad way to make your Atheist argument with, isn't it?
And it's even more tragic, to make more comparisons in regards to Atheist criminals, verses Religious criminals, isn't it?
Or to make other anti Religious arguments, using the Bible to reinforce your Atheist arguments with isn't it?
It's an irrelevant way, to make some arguments, isn't it?
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Prove it:
"I view your Christian questions, as a form of Christian conditioning.
And I'm not playing your Christian mind games."
@Dee, Your Atheist messaging is betraying your Atheist ways.
"This is a debate site you idiotic troll, you as usual when asked a question cannot answer so instead you go into a childish sulk .....Do you ever intend on actually debating here?"
Can you debate in a Fair and Equal Atheist manner?
Just as I'm doing in a Fair and Equal Religious Freedom way?
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