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An atheist asked: “How does homosexuality affect you in anyway other than you just not liking it?”
My response…
I policed one of the largest LGBTQ communities in the United States on four-different shifts. I watched the deception, the sorrow, the murder, the self-destruction, the self-loathing, the self-mutilation, the hopelessness, the hate, the anger, the filth, the abuse of LGBTQ in society. I've had the blood/fluids on my hands and arms; I've arrested/transported the homosexual abuse of minors; I've seen the detestable and nastiness the vileness the sickness that comes with LGBTQ deception.
I am also a Christian and find homosexuality to be a sin against my Lord's Covenant of Marriage between one-man/one-woman becoming one-flesh for life. Homosexuality (LGBTQ) is a nasty, embarrassing, shame on the American people and LGBTQ is a tell-tale sign of God's Judgment on any society...it is an attack on the family unit as well (Romans 1:18-32).
Homosexuality (LGBTQ) seeks to destroy the Biblical family unit, the bedrock of any society and LGBTQ seeks to force its perversion and hopelessness on America's posterity and those deceived by its demonic deception are killing themselves in unprecedented numbers.
The problem with homosexuality in society is that it does not work, it does nothing to provide mores, norms, values, that are sustainable to a healthy, happy, moral, dignified, honorable people in a Constitutional Republic governed by the rule of law...it is confusion, it is sexual perversion, it is sin against our Holy God and it brings shame upon any people who seek to live an honorable and moral life before God and before man.
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I think the biggest stumbling block for you is that you seem to think homosexuality is chosen. It is not. People who are gay didn't wake up one day and decide to be homosexual anymore than you chose to be straight. Do some legitimate research (outside of the Bible) and you will find this to be true.
That being said, religious views which hold homosexuality to be an "abomination" indict their own deity as an immoral and malicious thug or, at the very least, a being ignorant of the nature he/she/it is said to be responsible for. Furthermore, these religious views cause the very "deception, the sorrow, the murder, the self-destruction, the self-loathing, the self-mutilation, the hopelessness, the hate, the anger" you saw in your patrol. In short, religious bigotry contributes to this (if it isn't the primary cause), and those who claim to have the moral high ground are doing something extremely immoral by condemning people for aspects of themselves beyond their control. Do better.
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Let me explain it with a true story from WWII of a mathematician that saved countless lives by recognizing this flaw in reasoning.
https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/survivorship-bias
The US air force kept track of all the planes returning from bombing runs, and made a plot of where the bullet holes were most commonly located. The graph looked something like this:
The Air force was about to issue an order to add more armor to the planes.
Now the question: Do you think they wanted to put the armor where there was the most bullet holes?
If you said yes, you fell for the logic trap. The correct answer is to put the armor where there ARE NO HOLES!
The mathematician Abraham Wald recognized is an example of survivor ship bias. You see, the data only came from planes that returned, meaning all the others not returning were shot down. What this implies is that the bullet holes are located where the plane is the strongest, and the armor should be placed where there are no holes.
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Lets apply this reasoning to your situation. If you are always going to crimes, then you will not see all of the homosexual people who are law abiding citizens, and this may be responsible for your assumption that they are evil somehow. This compounded with your tendency to believe they are evil due to religious indoctrination, and your communities lack of approval for homosexuals for conservative reasons, leads me to think that maybe you did not get an unbiased picture.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Also, what do you mean by "policing an LGBT community"? What is it, a neighborhood where only LGBT people live or something? I have never heard of such.
Also, you claim to have been in the law enforcement for over 30 years. I imagine you have witnessed a lot of atrocities committed by heterosexual people as well. Why no word of those in your post?
Interesting how your Bible verse condemns male prostitutes, but says nothing about female prostitutes. I see who wrote that book and why. Dirty boys!
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Whyyy, Debra? Whyyy?
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So let's take the above statement and try to apply it to another ideology and see if it holds weight.
"Pedophilia isn't a choice, people can't choose to not be sexually attracted to children and therefor it shouldn't be considered wrong".
I'm going to go with a "No" on this one, seems that the fact that it's not a choice doesn't deserve any weight".
"Zoosexuality isn't a choice, people can't choose to not be sexually attracted to animals and therefor it shouldn't be considered wrong".
Again I'm leaning towards "No", seems that the fact that the person feels that way naturally doesn't really matter.
The core of this argument is that because something isn't a choice...it's not wrong to do it. This is so ethically wrong it's not funny. If there were any remote truth to this statement then you could literally apply it to anything else and it would work but it doesn't. Using this excuse is ethically reprehensible and from a logic standpoint it's downright deception intended to play on people's sympathy in order to bypass standards of morality.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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Lust is an example of a feeling you can't control, and it's considered a sin.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:27-28
I mean, can anyone honestly say that they can prevent this from happening? It isn't practical and doesn't make much sense anyways.
This is the reason that other Abrahamic religions like Islam cover their women in public.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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epithyméō (from 1909 /epí, "focused on" intensifying 2372 /thymós, "passionate desire") – properly, to show focused passion as it aptly builds on (Gk epi, "upon") what a person truly yearns for; to "greatly desire to do or have something – 'to long for, to desire very much' " (L & N, 1, 25.12).
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Take a step back and consider how absurd it would be for the creator of everything to call blue-eyed people an "abomination". How are people born (or created) with blue eyes any different than other people? What's more, the creator should know this, so either he is malicious or he (or the people who dreamed him up) didn't know blue eyes are quite natural. Now consider that homosexuality is much like eye-color, and...well, I'll let you draw your own conclusions. I'm pulling for ya!
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On the other hand, if there is no afterlife (which seems to fit the evidence), then not being yourself wastes the only life you get.
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We can do the same with the above question: When a Father and Daughter both consent to have sex and therefor enter into an incestuous relationship...who does it hurt?
If the argument "Well it's not hurting anyone" was valid then you could easily apply it to consensual incestuous relationships...but I'm of the opinion that they're wrong. This is actually a consequence of opening the door to homosexual legitimacy, other forms of sexual impropriety managed to slip in behind it without our blessing.
When homosexuality was still against the law (Sodomy was a felony) we began to break down the barriers first by suggesting that "Homosexuality isn't a choice, we're born that way" and now that we've successfully used that argument to open the doors for homosexuals...take a look at what's happening with pedophilia . Looks like the same path is being used to explain how it's not their fault and that we shouldn't blame them because they're born that way. Prior to the re-writing of the law to allow for homosexual lifestyles it just so happens that homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality and some other nasty forms of sexual deviancy were all listed together in the same federal code as "Crimes against nature". The consequences of allowing just one of the crimes against nature out of the lockup and pushing it into the light as a celebrated lifestyle has resulted in the others gaining a foothold in the justification for their impending release.
"But it's not hurting anyone" isn't a good argument.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".
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The human senses and anatomy were not created to drive cars. Now it is the most popular form of transportation in the modern world. The eyes were not created to read, yet everybody does now. The mouth was not created for kissing, yet it is extremely popular among couples. There are many more examples....
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Children that are byproducts of incestuous relationships are at a risk of genetic disorders but not for the reasons people think. It's not that the incestuous pregnancy causes the disorder, it's that ALL people carry recessive disorder genes and when you couple with a relative you are at a higher risk of bringing those pre-existing genes forward to your offspring. All in all the genetic disorders that are present in today's society are actually more dominant than disorders that can be produced from an incestuous relationship. This means you're actually more at risk to have a child with down syndrome with a regular partner or any other common defect than to produce a defective offspring with a relative.
Ultimately the point is still missed though. The argument in and of itself doesn't stand to reason. "Who's it hurting" is a bad sole argument for the practice of anything but should be one of the qualifiers in a long list of questions that need to be asked before moving forward with a choice.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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Thank you for your police service. But this is exactly why religion can have a negative impact when applied to the public sphere. I believe you are looking at this through a very biased lens. Can you really tell us that you don't see hopelessness, hate, filth, fluids… in heterosexual neighborhoods? It sounds like the inner-city descriptions I've heard my entire life. But here you have turned a common problem into an uncommon one and pinned the blame on homosexuality (perhaps in a different discussion you would pin it on race). Is this because you have filtered your experience through your beliefs? I am particularly offended by your suggestion that homosexuals abuse children any more than heterosexuals do. In fact, that is part of the problem with your opinion. There is no objective support here that you provide for your position, only anecdotal. I think it very likely that your proposition that homosexuality is the cause of these problems is objectively unsupportable (provide some if there is-not from a biased religious or right-wing source). If I have time, I'll do it myself. You site the Bible but that has little clout as an objective scientific or sociological source. You may respond with; it is God's word therefore an authority on everything. Well that probably worked in the Middle Ages, by you are surrounded by too many people today would are capable of independent cognitive thought. You need those people who sadly still exist who have bought into the biggest con in human history, "faith". Religion has only survived because faith demands the suspension of cognitive independent thought. So, this is really the only non-anecdotal evidence you provide, faith, have faith that my God exists and that this is his book. Other than that, what actual evidence do you have that homosexuality doesn't work in society, that it brings shame on people, etc... Did you interview them and ask them if they felt shame because of their sexuality? Do you conduct any controlled inquiry? If they do feel shame, how do you know it isn't poverty or perceived lack of upward mobility that is the cause? How do you know it isn't because of your attitude, society's attitude, that is to say prejudice, it's presence today and its long legacy! How do you know it isn't because of their ethnic group and the prejudice they suffer?
In fact, your position sounds very punitive and not very open to discussion. The more I read it the more disturbing it is. You really are just making one sanctimonious holier than thou judgmental declaration after another. You don't say "I think…", "I feel that maybe…", etc. Your say "are", is" you use the emphatic. It's a poisonous position.
Anytime, someone makes a declaration like this, stating that something is entirely this or that, in this case homosexuality is entirely bad, then you know something is wrong. Black and white are signs of an extreme view. You have likely seen what you wanted to see. But it is highly unlikely that you really observed the people in these neighborhoods objectively. You have decided to not recognize the good that is there. And all because of an ancient book's unquestionable authority, for which there is no evidence, either for it having been authored by God or for the existence of this god. A god who you would say is loving and all good. Yet He compels you to make such a hateful statement.
Faith should have a foundation in observable facts. I must say you do not strengthen my faith in law enforcement as an isolated example (I have no reason to believe that you represent all of law enforcement. You on the other hand appear to believe that your interpretation of your experience represents all homosexual communities and all homosexual (LBGTQs) everywhere). It does not give me comfort that at least on of them is biased and judgmental, and by the way, therefore so uninterested in due process. You realize that your position is decidedly un-American and anti-democratic, right?
"The problem with homosexuality in society is that it does not work, it does nothing to provide mores, norms, values, that are sustainable to a healthy, happy, moral, dignified, honorable people in a Constitutional Republic governed by the rule of law..." So, in other words these people aren't really Americans, they aren't worthy citizens because of their sexual orientation. This shows, not only, classic prejudice, but disdain for America values, its justice system and government. You are suggesting that all should not be represented, only those you deem fit. You suggest disdain for equality, inclusiveness, fair justice, human-rights, tolerance, openness, freedom... all the bedrock of American principles. You are siding with a dictator, one absolute invisible strongman in the sky. The Bible (especially the old testament) has very little to do with American values and everything to do with European Enlightenment (humanist) values. If fact, America would have likely been born much earlier if human progress had not been weighted down by the burden of ancient religious superstition. Heaven is a dictatorship. The only freedom it offers is a bogus and profoundly contradictory kind of freedom contingent upon becoming a slave to God or be damned to an eternity of agony. This is a mockery of freedom of choice. And it certainly is loving!
So, I think your position would rest on much more solid ground if you would just leave your faith out of it, though that may not be possible for you to do. By the way, my experience with gay people is completely counter to yours. My oldest friend is gay, I've had gay students, and an uncle was gay. Those I have known are happy, prosperous, filled with life, and positive energy. But I will not do what you do and say that my experience represents all LGBTQ individuals and communities. Your position really is disturbing, frightening actually!
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As far as it being wrong, I believe it's wrong in so far as the Bible says it's a Sin. I'll explain how I arrive at this conclusion.
I don't personally subscribe to subjective Morality nor do I believe that it truly exists. All morals begin somewhere and, more specifically, in the United States we live in a Christian Nation (As declared by the Supreme Court of The United States) and therefor our morality ultimately originates "Under God" because "In God We Trust". You can argue all day long until you're blue in the face but the undeniable fact is that "He" is there. He is built into everything about this Country and despite the separation of Church and State, He and His teachings remain a fundamental principle of our Country.
Because He is the basis of our Morals and subsequently our Laws then when referencing whether or nothing something is Moral I ultimately defer back to the person in which our National Motto refers to, and He says it's immoral.
Now, what do I think should be done about it? Nothing mostly. I don't think Homosexuals or any other alternate sexual person should be cast out, vilified or punished. I don't much care what they do amongst themselves, my stance on the matter is mostly indifferent until it comes to the new-age model, the "You must celebrate my lifestyle or you're a bigot" model. Anytime anyone suggests that artificially influencing public opinion is necessary...I'm immediately suspicious. Forcing people to be accepting of your lifestyle is disingenuous and therefor constitutes a reason to be wary of it.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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Awesome, and thanks for the civil discourse.
I grew up with a gay Uncle and his lifestyle was mostly obscured from me until after he died from AIDS and since then I've worked alongside many Gay Soldiers who, at the time, had to keep their lifestyle a secret and subsequently I never knew. I can honestly say there was never anything off about them and I honestly don't think that homosexual lifestyles can ultimately cause you to be a bad person.
Like most movements though, the movement to bring about fairness for alternative sexual lifestyles has gotten a little out of hand. I've never personally been slighted by anyone but it's unmistakable at this point...if you don't think that homesexuality is beautiful...you're a racist, homophobic bigot who needs to be taken out behind the shed and castrated. I'm still firmly rooted in the idea that this is mostly a minority idea, I don't think the majority of homosexuals think that way.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".
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I have met many LGBT folks, and I concur: there is nothing special about them, and unless they actually tell you they are LGBT, you would never guess on your own (well, might be a bit more obvious with transsexual people at an early stage of transitioning, but even then you have to be very attentive to notice that something is off). Yes, some get a little overexcited and start to identify their personality with their sexuality, but it seems to be quite uncommon.
The reverse is also true. Several people have told me that I look like a gay, because I wear very bright clothes, light makeup and such; but I am as heterosexual as one can get, and I just have a strong feminine side in me and like looking cool/unusual. Stereotypes about what gays look like are just that, stereotypes, and they very rarely manifest themselves in real individuals.
The identity politics movement, of course, is a different matter entirely. Those people get out of their way to make an issue of everything. If someone is gay, they will emphasise this fact and talk about it repeatedly, even if the gay himself does not care that much and just wants to be left alone. Authoritarian folks like that give all minorities a bad name and should be met with prejudice.
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