I don't think the government has any right whatsoever to my or another woman's uterus whatsoever. Bodily choice is a human right, forced organ donation is not, and for the reocrd, i support stand your ground rights, and gun rights. i just don't care about the government's feelings, and think what i do, is between God and me. My liberty is more important to me, than life itsself, and that is my right. I am not having a baby, ever, and that is also my right.
Debra AI Prediction
Post Argument Now Debate Details +
Arguments
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 96%  
  Substantial: 4%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 100%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.08  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 98%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 94%  
  Substantial: 34%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 73%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.88  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: George Carlin    Soldiers   Killbot    
  Relevant (Beta): 95%  
  Learn More About Debra
US Government Now Says: Life begins at conception
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/yw397w/government-hhs-now-says-life-begins-at-conception  Considerate: 46%  
  Substantial: 74%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.92  
  Sources: 4  
  Relevant (Beta): 48%  
  Learn More About Debra
https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-parents
  Considerate: 60%  
  Substantial: 69%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 89%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.2  
  Sources: 1  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: victim of murder    due process protections   14th Amendment   kind a of weird thing  
  Relevant (Beta): 22%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 50%  
  Substantial: 77%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 96%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.16  
  Sources: 4  
  Relevant (Beta): 63%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 17%  
  Substantial: 88%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.7  
  Sources: 2  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: modicum of womanhood    woman   child of Satan   compassion  
  Relevant (Beta): 100%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 16%  
  Substantial: 49%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 88%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.44  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: nbsp         
  Relevant (Beta): 96%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 26%  
  Substantial: 84%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 87%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.82  
  Sources: 2  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: modicum of womanhood    woman   child of Satan   compassion  
  Relevant (Beta): 99%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 90%  
  Substantial: 57%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 6.86  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: health    pleasure      
  Relevant (Beta): 78%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 72%  
  Substantial: 97%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 100%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.5  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: consensual sex    death of a future child   dozens of safety precautions   majority decision  
  Relevant (Beta): 94%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 64%  
  Substantial: 93%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 99%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.52  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: death of a future child    consensual sex   dozens of safety precautions   majority decision  
  Relevant (Beta): 87%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 86%  
  Substantial: 97%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.64  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: precautionary measures    woman   man   much sex  
  Relevant (Beta): 89%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 72%  
  Substantial: 91%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.34  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: Rape culture    precautionary measures   atsmith49er   woman  
  Relevant (Beta): 79%  
  Learn More About Debra
What happens in practice, in actual, real life relationships is that a man and a woman one day talk about it and decide that they want to become parents. Then they initiate a series of unprotected sexual acts, until conception occurs - and it is at that point that the implication that the child birth will take place is applied. Even so, however, if there is no legal contract, the woman can at any point simply say, "I do not want to do it any more; I will go through abortion" - and there is no reasonable way to prohibit her from it. It would be a very immoral move, to trick one's lover like that, but "immoral" does not equal "illegal".
If a man and a woman really want to protect the choice and to incentivise the desired one, they can at any point sign a private contract prescribing penalties for either party for refusing to become a parent. Everything you need is already in place. But if you want to force this contract on people against their will, then you are doing it wrong.
There is no way to justify anti-abortion stance without implying that the woman's body to a certain extent belongs to the government and/or to her partner. Which is a very-very despicable position, reminiscent of slavery.
  Considerate: 83%  
  Substantial: 98%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 94%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.28  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 93%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 47%  
  Substantial: 87%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 6.54  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: earlier statement    basis of the statement   drunken stupor   rare circumstances of sex  
  Relevant (Beta): 77%  
  Learn More About Debra
I do not like either side in the abortion debate, either "pro-life or pro-choice" because I see both as damage control, that is the mistake has already been made so all morally relevant options have been forsaken and something must be surrendered in order to continue forward. This is why my official stance on solving the abortion problem is a third option, which I am calling "pro-freedom" and it asserts that we must effectively decouple sex from pregnancy, such that no one gets pregnant unless both parents actively decide that is what they want. It intends to accomplish this goal through the development of contraceptive drugs, in particular a male equivalent birth control, and anti-STD drugs.
These will work to become an added barrier of protection to statistically eliminate unwanted pregnancies. If a 99% effective male birth control were developed with 80% acceptance and use by sexually active males, this would reduce the number of accidental pregnancies to just thousands per year, making any policies wither for or against irrelevant.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 84%  
  Substantial: 98%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 13.4  
  Sources: 2  
  Relevant (Beta): 95%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 84%  
  Substantial: 95%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 13.4  
  Sources: 2  
  Relevant (Beta): 74%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 72%  
  Substantial: 25%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 88%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 5.18  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: Conservatives    woman   right   nbsp  
  Relevant (Beta): 81%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 80%  
  Substantial: 51%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 81%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.36  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: antichoice laws    Conservatives   ZeusAres42   woman  
  Relevant (Beta): 92%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 80%  
  Substantial: 91%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 91%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.66  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 88%  
  Learn More About Debra
Firstly, in regard to what point a woman can abort is dependent on what country and what state. If memory serves me correctly, abortion is generally prohibited once the unborn is viable.
Secondly, legality does not equate to reasonability.
Thirdly, Fathers are not second class citizens and there is definitely an ethical issue here in regard to fathers.
I cannot agree with this point however, because it seems like it is at one extreme of the spectrum on the abortion issue. Correct me if I am wrong but it appears you are saying all anti-abortion stances are reminiscent of slavery which to me doesn't sound like very just reasoning. By contrast, it seems similar to some of the pro-lifers framing abortion as murder.
  Considerate: 85%  
  Substantial: 96%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 95%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.6  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 88%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 82%  
  Substantial: 91%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 91%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.5  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 85%  
  Learn More About Debra
@YeshuaBought I never said that most conservatives were not pro-life. Also, I am not here to prove you wrong. I would much rather have an exchange of ideas where we could both come out as a win-win situation. However, if you're motivation is basically to state you are right and I am wrong then we don't really have much to discuss in regard to the abortion debate.
  Considerate: 85%  
  Substantial: 93%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 91%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.56  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 77%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 79%  
  Substantial: 91%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 92%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.16  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 83%  
  Learn More About Debra
People are free to have any stances they want on the matter, and some anti-abortion stances may be grounded in a sound reasoning - however, there is no going around the fact that implementing policies in alignment with those stances severely violate the most basic human rights of the affected individuals.
  Considerate: 92%  
  Substantial: 99%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.54  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: anti-abortion stances    sound reasoning   ZeusAres42   part of her body  
  Relevant (Beta): 100%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 92%  
  Substantial: 96%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 96%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.06  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 87%  
  Learn More About Debra
Well, I suppose one could have a purely moral anti-abortion stance, in that they believe that abortion is wrong, but still support its legality. This is a stance that is not related to advocacy for slavery in any way, indeed.
In the scenario you proposed, I would say that the woman's decision is despicable, and if that is how she treats her partner, then he better run away from her - however, ultimately, it is still her choice. From the biological perspective, it is nothing more than removing a parasite from one's body, and regardless of how much that parasite means to someone else, it is still a parasite.
In my view, abortion is a fair play for as long as the child is a part of the woman's body. It is once the child is out that the rules of the game change.
(Debra really does not like the word "parasite" for some reason.)
  Considerate: 60%  
  Substantial: 98%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.18  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 100%  
  Learn More About Debra
Based on the deifiniton of parasite...a fetus/baby is not one.
- An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
Also from a biological perspective the baby is hardly changing anything at all but location. It is still receiving nutrients from the mother at her expense.
Also i would say the baby is in the mothers body I wouldnt say it is a part of it...Some consequences last longer than others.
  Considerate: 62%  
  Substantial: 86%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 91%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 9.6  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: deifiniton of parasite    biological perspective   organism of another species   baby  
  Relevant (Beta): 91%  
  Learn More About Debra
MayCaesar
The highlighted part is where you have made a mistake; both a factual error as well as a reasoning error. Remember that my scenario was about just a week before birth when a baby has deemed a viable human being. If fact, it has been deemed a viable human being long before this point let alone it. And the rule that you created in a preceding post was this: "however, there is no going around the fact that implementing policies in alignment with those stances severely violate the most basic human rights of the affected individuals." The rule you've created here also needs to be applied to the fact that at this point there is a human individual with basic human rights. In short, you cannot reasonably affirm the rule without also affirming the consequent for that rule.
Secondly, the baby is not part of the mother; it's inside the mother. And the notion that it doesn't matter until the child is born doesn't work either. I mean what then if the mother decides to have an abortion during labor; can you see the absurdity here? The rules of the game change when the child is deemed a viable human being. Fortunately, most countries in the modern world don't work in this extreme way.
Please note that my position is neither completely for or completely against abortion. I find both views polarized that simply don't work and neglect to take into account a multitude of ethical issues with many different individual circumstances. I am nither Pro-Choice or Pro-life. If you wanted to sum up my position in one then I guess you could say that I am Pro- Equilibrium with regard to the abortion issue.
  Considerate: 71%  
  Substantial: 93%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.88  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 59%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 71%  
  Substantial: 90%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.48  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 38%  
  Learn More About Debra
I do not quite understand your objection. What exactly contradicts the definition of parasite here?
@ZeusAres42
It does not matter if the parasite is a human being or not; it is still a parasite. If I start eating you alive against your will, you will be fully right to kill me on the spot to protect yourself; my rights are irrelevant when I am violating your bodily autonomy. The creature inside a woman also violates her bodily autonomy in case she does not consent to it being there, hence she has full right to remove it by any means necessary and not worry about the consequences to it.
My stance is completely self-consistent and is derived solely from basic individual rights.
No, I do not see any absurdity, and abortion during labor is a legitimate choice. It is a ridiculous choice, because it is probably the most painful way to get rid of the parasite, probably more painful than actually just giving birth - but hey, the world is full of strange people, and I will not be the one to judge.
  Considerate: 43%  
  Substantial: 87%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.16  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: painful way    definition of parasite   full right   bodily autonomy  
  Relevant (Beta): 81%  
  Learn More About Debra
The baby isnt eating the mother alive just simply using nutirents provided by her. I dont believe the baby is violating her choice because her choices put it there.
  Considerate: 63%  
  Substantial: 70%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 84%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.38  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: organism of an ANOTHER species    same.The baby isnt   organism   mother  
  Relevant (Beta): 68%  
  Learn More About Debra
In addition to that you you basically just keep denying what I have said as opposed to actually challenging the argument. Denying that at this point there is two viable human beings with basic individual Human rights.
All your doing here is trying to rationalize beileifs that are getting in the way of clear reasoning. And thus continue to make more errors in reason.
  Considerate: 39%  
  Substantial: 90%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 90%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.28  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: human individual baby    pro-lifers   viable human beings   abortion cases  
  Relevant (Beta): 98%  
  Learn More About Debra
If the pro-life camp wants to frame life as beginning at conception, declaring a zygote with unique DNA to be a person despite only being 1 cell. This of course comes with all sorts of baggage, in particular it implies that everyone is constantly attempting suicide because the body has natural killer cells that shut down non-functioning ones, and it implies that every miscarriage was an act of involuntary manslaughter.
The pro-choice camp want's to declare someone to be a person either when they have the capacity to be a person, (developed brain, organs, basic cognitive functions) if not whenever the fetus is able to function on it's own. This is of course a rather vague and impractical thing to determine, being different for everyone and with no reliable test to make this knowable. This leads to making arbitrary rules that have been the cornerstone of abortion laws for decades.
As of now, our system is little better than every judge who wants to decide if a woman should be allowed the abortion option to flip a coin. This is where we are at as a society. The only solution to the abortion debate is technological development, that will reduce or eliminate the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 73%  
  Substantial: 98%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 98%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 13.28  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: abortion debate    working solution   arbitrary definitions   choice camp want  
  Relevant (Beta): 91%  
  Learn More About Debra
Fair enough, but functionally it is the same thing. Whether the creature feeding on you is the same species as you or not, it is still feeding on you. It is similar to how there is a terminological difference between cannibalism and one animal species eating another animal species, but for the actual victim of this eating the difference is irrelevant.
@ZeusAres42
That is what it functionally is. That it is a proto-human is absolutely irrelevant as far as its host's well-being and autonomy is concerned.
I have exactly addressed the point by comparing the proto-human in a woman's body to me eating you alive against your will. Human rights do not let a human feed on another human against their will, and the other human is in full right to terminate the feeder by any means necessary.
  Considerate: 77%  
  Substantial: 78%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.76  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: proto-human    Human rights   animal species   human feed  
  Relevant (Beta): 95%  
  Learn More About Debra
Not comparable to cannibalism.
Also if the human is in full right to terminate the feeder. If the mother forgot formula, is she allowed to let the baby starve to death by refusing to breast feed.
  Considerate: 78%  
  Substantial: 78%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 90%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.46  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: negative connotation    flesh of the mother   full right   mother  
  Relevant (Beta): 90%  
  Learn More About Debra
I think Francis Beckwith has the best description of a person and has the fewest flaws.
What is crucial morally is the being of a person, not his or her functioning. A human person does not come into existence when human function arises, but rather, a human person is an entity who has the natural inherent capacity to give rise to human functions, whether or not those functions are ever attained. …A human person who lacks the ability to think rationally (either because she is too young or she suffers from a disability) is still a human person because of her nature. Consequently, it makes sense to speak of a human being’s lack if and only if she is an actual person.
And clarified with
It is because an entity has an essence and falls within a natural kind that it can possess a unity of dispositions, capacities, parts and properties at a given time and can maintain identity through chang
Also for a miscarriage to be involuntary manslaughter they would have to prove negligence or recklessness of behalf of the mother.
  Considerate: 76%  
  Substantial: 93%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 93%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.96  
  Sources: 2  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: human person    best description of a person   human function   given time  
  Relevant (Beta): 88%  
  Learn More About Debra
I really don't like Francis Beckwith's definition, because I kind of see this as a fancy way of saying "This is a person. You can tell it's a person because of the way that it is"
It skirts all sorts of deep physical possibilities. For example, you cut someone's arm off or harvest some of their stem cells. Are these a person, since it is technically possible to turn them into a person with the right conditions?
Under his definition, the answer is yes, but that means that everyone is murdering all their potential clones millions of times every day. It just isn't a very useful definition.
If I wanted to describe or define a person, I would choose a very long definition that goes across many layers of emergence, starting at the quantum level and building up, describing each step as it pertains to human existence with focus on the critical components and specifics designating humanity.
The problem with this definition would be that it completely lacks any a moral or philosophical properties and only guarantees a physical classification.
There are numerous things a woman can do that can potentially lead to a miscarriage other than environmental factors, such as smoking, drinking, drug abuse, excessive stress, eating certain foods, or excessive caffeine intake. Any of these things could be used as evidence in a trial that would send a woman to jail (after losing her baby none the less) as a logical consequence should we decide that "life starts at conception"
Technology is the only way forward, limiting pregnancies to mothers who specifically desire to be pregnant.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 86%  
  Substantial: 99%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 96%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 13.1  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 99%  
  Learn More About Debra
Cutting someones arm off or harvesting stem cells would not fit under his definition. "Natural inherent capacity".
  Considerate: 77%  
  Substantial: 40%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 75%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.8  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 89%  
  Learn More About Debra
In theory, you can turn stem cells into a person, by tricking them into thinking they are in the zygote stage via nuclear reprogramming and then implanting the cells into a woman via artificial insemination.
One could also then argue from this definition that a fetus is not a person, because it is fully reliant on the mother for survival, thus it has no natural inherent capacity for person hood.
In fact, to take it a step farther the mother isn't a person because the mother relies on unnatural human made technology for survival, without such no human function can be attained, and thus does not give rise to human function without it.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 93%  
  Substantial: 84%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 13.24  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: stem cells    natural inherent capacity   person hood.In fact   zygote stage  
  Relevant (Beta): 84%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 75%  
  Substantial: 87%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.12  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: abortion debate    pro-life camp   working solution   technological development  
  Relevant (Beta): 15%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 68%  
  Substantial: 81%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 95%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.12  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: proto-human    Human rights   animal species   terminological difference  
  Relevant (Beta): 90%  
  Learn More About Debra
Stem cells dont have the NATURAL capability to become humans, zygotes do.
Once you reprogrammed to behave like a zygote where it will naturally proceed to become human is where it then would become a person.
Reliance doesnt matter. People reliant on pacemakers are people.
  Considerate: 63%  
  Substantial: 61%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 83%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.32  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: NATURAL capability    person.Reliance doesnt matter   humans   cells  
  Relevant (Beta): 86%  
  Learn More About Debra
  Considerate: 72%  
  Substantial: 60%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 81%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 6.94  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: NATURAL capability    person.Reliance doesnt matter   humans   cells  
  Relevant (Beta): 60%  
  Learn More About Debra
No, zygotes do not have the natural capacity to become a human any more than stem cells do, because a zygote relies on the mother to develop, and stem cells rely on technology to develop.
If there is reliance, then how can we say it is natural?
On another note, why does a person have to be bound to nature and an organic body to be considered a person?
Would you consider an uploaded mind a person, which lives in virtual reality? Or what about something that was human for all intents and purposes, but was not created naturally, for example creating someone entirely out of 3D printed organs?
Anyways, these problems only exist if you assume a hard definition of what is a person and what is not. Although a floating definition is less useful for semantics, it is much more useful when describing the physical world where no two things are the same thing.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 93%  
  Substantial: 95%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.1  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: stem cells    natural capacity   physical world   person  
  Relevant (Beta): 94%  
  Learn More About Debra
I would not describe the state of a pregnant woman as "some discomfort", considering that it often disables the woman for months from being able to work, and puts her in bed for days. Regardless, the point is, if the woman does not consent to it feeding on her insides, then she can take action to enforce this lack of consent - this is what the bodily autonomy principle fundamentally is.
The baby that is out of the woman's body is an independent individual. The woman, I suppose, does not have to breast-feed it, but we as a society have agreed that it is the parents' responsibility to raise the child. Whether this is a good agreement or not is debatable, but, in any case, we no longer deal with the question of bodily autonomy here, so the argument will be different.
@ZeusAres42
You refuse to interpret my argument properly and straw-man it, but I have already given you an analogy twice, which you have chosen to ignore.
First, I am not aware of a single legal system on Earth that considers an unborn child a "person" or an "individual", so the appeal to the basic rights is questionable.
But second - and more importantly - is the child is feeding on the woman's insides and is physically connected to them, hence for all purposes it is a part of the woman's body, and if the woman does not consent to it being there, then she has the right to remove it.
I am not sure you understand what the bodily autonomy principle is. Maybe you think that you are protected from any harm under any possible circumstances, but that is not at all what it is, and it could not be that logically, as necessarily unresolvable contradictions would arise. What it is is that nobody has the right to violate another person's body against their consent, and should it happen, the latter person can defend themselves by all means necessary.
If you see any logical flaw in my reasoning in my argument, feel free to point it out. Your notion that there are two human beings with rights in question does not contradict anything I said and fully falls under the analysis I have provided several times already.
  Considerate: 81%  
  Substantial: 88%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 96%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 12.7  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 69%  
  Learn More About Debra
Why wouldnt refusal to breast feed fall under the same bodily autonomy argument? Its been said that no one has the right to feed using anothers body qothout consent...that hasnt changed.
  Considerate: 59%  
  Substantial: 61%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 84%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 7.06  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: feed fall    in.Why wouldnt refusal   feed   mother  
  Relevant (Beta): 95%  
  Learn More About Debra
Things can have a natural reliance...we naturally need water.
As far as virtual reality ect goes. Id say anything that existed once as a human and retains their identity would still be a person.
  Considerate: 90%  
  Substantial: 67%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 85%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 8.92  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: natural reliance    arent natural.Things   virtual reality ect   definition  
  Relevant (Beta): 61%  
  Learn More About Debra
I think my point about being natural still holds, because "natural" isn't a real thing it is a metaphysical concept. In the case of pregnancy, when can we say the pregnancy is unnatural?
Is it when the baby is grown in an artificial womb?
or 3D printed from living tissue?
What about if the mother ingests processed foods?
Or any products labeled as "natural" that came from plants and animals that don't exist in nature, as a result of selective breeding?
It isn't entirely clear when you would draw that distinction.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  Considerate: 91%  
  Substantial: 96%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 90%  
  Sentiment: Positive  
  Avg. Grade Level: 10.34  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 92%  
  Learn More About Debra
I am not sure I understand your argument. Are you talking about the case where the baby gets breast-fed against the woman's consent? I cannot quite imagine a scenario like this suitable for anything but a horror movie. Hypothetically, if there was a baby that somehow forced a woman to breast-feed it, then I would say that she has the right to defend herself with violence from it - but practically it never occurs.
  Considerate: 68%  
  Substantial: 86%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 97%  
  Sentiment: Negative  
  Avg. Grade Level: 11.14  
  Sources: 0  
  Entity Sentiment Detection: breast-fed    woman's consent   horror movie   baby  
  Relevant (Beta): 99%  
  Learn More About Debra