assuming for the sake of argument that jesus actually existed, yet was not the son of god, but rather some philosopher whose miracles were just nothing more than a magician act, do you consider that his morals, values, and teachings worthwhile to follow and implement into your life?
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He also promoted non-violence, which, while too idealistic, does have its merit and is useful in one's everyday life.
Jesus of Nazareth was a pretty interesting figure, and while I do not think he deserves to be the most popular person in the history of humanity, he certainly was quite remarkable.
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Well, the underlying pacifism has some merits as a general rule as in don't be the aggressor, but if you hit me, I'll definitely hit back, hard... There many ways to interpret this, some see it as commanding non-resistance (which I oppose), or non-violence (usually a good idea), or as a command not to take vengeance, which I'm not disagreeing with... But overall, he would still be an average philosopher in my opinion...
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@MayCaesar
@Plaffelvohfen
Religion in general, is voluntary to engage in.
Just as being non Religious in general, is voluntary to engage in.
And I've come to realize, that some of the non Religious individual, have yet to make an appearance in ANY building, to confront, or protest any Religion based on @maxx's narratives:
"oh jesus?"
"assuming for the sake of argument that jesus actually existed, yet was not the son of god, but rather some philosopher whose miracles were just nothing more than a magician act, do you consider that his morals, values, and teachings worthwhile to follow and implement into your life?"
I've yet to see any Religious minister, preacher, priest, rabbi, or what have you maybe REFER to themselves as a Magician, or a Miracle worker, so to speak?
Or even a philosopher for that matter?
I've been to small Churches, with a congregation of 20-30 parishioners.
And I've been to a Church with 300-400 parishioners being present in Church?
And on TV, with Joel Osteen, his services, seem to draw hundreds and hundreds of parishioners to his Religious services.
And this fellow as of 2018, his televised sermons have been seen by approximately 10 million viewers in the US and several million more in over 100 countries weekly?
So, the words like Magician, or Miracle worker, from as far as I can recall, has never been expressed in Mr. Osteen's direction, by any of the Nationwide news media.
I believe Jesus existed, because the Priests, back in his day, pushed, and succeeded in having Jesus Crucified.
So maybe if those same Priests, who were biased and prejudicial towards Jesus, didn't push to have Jesus Crucified to begin with, and just left him alone, (for doing nothing wrong in the first place,) and then they went about, "trash talking the man, in order to mock and ridicule him, and then Crucified Jesus to death, thus making Jesus's name, a Globally recognized name, because of their biased and prejudicial efforts, those same Priests, are responsible for Jesus, being the Global household name that he has become centuries after his Crucifixion?
Jesus existed, because his history, is and will always be synonymous with Humanity, regardless of how some of the modernized non Religious individuals view Jesus through the lenses of their own non Religious rationalizations.
His morals, values, and teachings, are pro Child, pro Parents, and pro Community.
And I know this because, I've yet to see any Religious building in the United States, because Jesus and his morals, values, or teachings, were found to be harmful to any Freedom of Religious seeking individuals?
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Don't blame me for my opinion or perceptions in regards to Jesus, and his morals, values, or teachings?
It's the FAULT of those Priests who had Jesus Crucified to begin with, thus making Jesus a Global, and household name, that Jesus is today, true or not?
"Well, perhaps you should do an in-depth study on where, how, and what the earliest manuscripts say; instead of only agreeing with what you believe and understand today @TKDB"
My in-depth studies, come from going to multiple religious buildings, and the histories of Jesus, and the Bible are on full display for every parishioner to see, study, and learn from.
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His word doesn't necessarily regulate his followers to pure pacifism although his example certainly does, the examples of his disciples do as well. The exception is Jesus in the Temple:
If I had to venture a guess I'd say that Jesus was mostly stoic or "Lost in thought" for the most part. There are few recorded instances of him displaying overt emotion. I agree that the overall message is "The Golden Rule" but there's some interesting bits about what's in the heart of Man that cause some confusion. David who is documented as "A Man after God's own heart" took another Man's wife for himself and then ordered her Husband be sent to the front lines of a War with the specific intent that he be killed in battle. The underlying tone is that, despite David's wicked ways, God knew he was a good person at heart. That actually says quite a bit and speaks against some of our societal standards we have today.
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".
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Do you have any non Religious oriented studies, or surveys to support your individual opinion, or perception?
"Interestingly enough this is exactly how many people of the Jewish faith view Jesus Christ @maxx
Because God knows, I would appreciate seeing where you derive your mindful truths from?
@Plaffelvohfen, Where do you derive your mindful truths from as well?
Because the internet Atheist mindset grows with each passing hour doesn't it?
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Bringing reality to your words:
You're the central character of your own opinion, perception, and words aren't you?
"one does not believe a character in a book because the character in the book says to believe in him; however the question that I posted is not what you answer. can you perhaps read it again and answer it as put?@TKDB "
Are you suggesting that I should take your words, and treat your non Religious words with some sort of a reverence?
Believing in YOUR non Religious stance is voluntary to do so isn't it?
Just as believing in God, Jesus, and the Bible, are voluntary as well right?
I can compare your word's, and the words of Jesus, in the same VOLUNTARY light, can't I?
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@ZeusAres42
Bringing reality to your words as well.
You're the central character of your own opinion, perception, and words aren't you?
Haven't the two of you for some time now, been suggesting that I should take your words, and treat your non Religious words with some sort of a reverence?
Believing in your non Religious stance is voluntary to do so isn't it?
Just as believing in God, Jesus, and the Bible, are voluntary as well right?
I can compare your word's, and the words of Jesus, in the same voluntary light, can't I?
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You manage your words, as you wish to, just as I manage my life, outside of the framework of the very character of your own words, as I GO to church, and enjoy the peace, history, and civility of Jesus' own word's.
And you create your own internet based history, based on the very character of your individual words.
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You put your own words in your OWN mouth.
These words:
"assuming for the sake of argument that jesus actually existed, yet was not the son of god, but rather some philosopher whose miracles were just nothing more than a magician act, do you consider that his morals, values, and teachings worthwhile to follow and implement into your life?"
"Well, perhaps you should do an in-depth study on where, how, and what the earliest manuscripts say; instead of only agreeing with what you believe and understand today @TKDB. "
"I am saying that this is a rhetorical question. if you are not able to answer a rhetorical question, then simply do not do so. the question has the word "assuming" to start out with and this is the basis of the debate@TKDB "
And these word's as well?
"you simply have no idea if I am religious or not. I could care less if you believe that jesus is son pof god or not. more power too you. I just asked a debatable question which in return you refused to answer as I asked it and as well, put words into my mpouth@TKDB "
All I've done is react to your choices of word's.
And my choice of words in response to your own words:
Bringing reality to your words:
You're the central character of your own opinion, perception, and words aren't you?
"one does not believe a character in a book because the character in the book says to believe in him; however the question that I posted is not what you answer. can you perhaps read it again and answer it as put?@TKDB "
Are you suggesting that I should take your words, and treat your non Religious words with some sort of a reverence?
Believing in YOUR non Religious stance is voluntary to do so isn't it?
Just as believing in God, Jesus, and the Bible, are voluntary as well right?
I can compare your word's, and the words of Jesus, in the same VOLUNTARY light, can't I?
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I gave you my answer/ response multiple times now, and I stand behind my response to your below question:
"assuming for the sake of argument that jesus actually existed, yet was not the son of god, but rather some philosopher whose miracles were just nothing more than a magician act, do you consider that his morals, values, and teachings worthwhile to follow and implement into your life?"
@maxx, you make an assumption on an argument, thus making that assumption, the ANCHOR to support your argument?
That's on you, for formulating your argument, in the manner that you chose?
And my response, remains the same response:
@maxx
Religion in general, is voluntary to engage in.
Just as being non Religious in general, is voluntary to engage in.
And I've come to realize, that some of the non Religious individual, have yet to make an appearance in ANY building, to confront, or protest any Religion based on @maxx's narratives:
"oh jesus?"
"assuming for the sake of argument that jesus actually existed, yet was not the son of god, but rather some philosopher whose miracles were just nothing more than a magician act, do you consider that his morals, values, and teachings worthwhile to follow and implement into your life?"
I've yet to see any Religious minister, preacher, priest, rabbi, or what have you maybe REFER to themselves as a Magician, or a Miracle worker, so to speak?
Or even a philosopher for that matter?
I've been to small Churches, with a congregation of 20-30 parishioners.
And I've been to a Church with 300-400 parishioners being present in Church?
And on TV, with Joel Osteen, his services, seem to draw hundreds and hundreds of parishioners to his Religious services.
And this fellow as of 2018, his televised sermons have been seen by approximately 10 million viewers in the US and several million more in over 100 countries weekly?
So, the words like Magician, or Miracle worker, from as far as I can recall, has never been expressed in Mr. Osteen's direction, by any of the Nationwide news media.
I believe Jesus existed, because the Priests, back in his day, pushed, and succeeded in having Jesus Crucified.
So maybe if those same Priests, who were biased and prejudicial towards Jesus, didn't push to have Jesus Crucified to begin with, and just left him alone, (for doing nothing wrong in the first place,) and then they went about, "trash talking the man, in order to mock and ridicule him, and then Crucified Jesus to death, thus making Jesus's name, a Globally recognized name, because of their biased and prejudicial efforts, those same Priests, are responsible for Jesus, being the Global household name that he has become centuries after his Crucifixion?
Jesus existed, because his history, is and will always be synonymous with Humanity, regardless of how some of the modernized non Religious individuals view Jesus through the lenses of their own non Religious rationalizations.
His morals, values, and teachings, are pro Child, pro Parents, and pro Community.
And I know this because, I've yet to see any Religious building in the United States, because Jesus and his morals, values, or teachings, were found to be harmful to any Freedom of Religious seeking individuals?
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Sure, why not?
Jesus values, morals, and teachings are again, pro Child, pro Family, and pro Community.
I expressed this point before as well.
"if jesus was simply an ordinary individual, then do you think his values and morals are worthwhile to implement his teachings into your and your and the life of your families?"
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In other word's, his values, morals, and teachings are pro Humanity.
And I don't have any issues with his teachings being pro Humanity.
Some examples:
Infanticide isn't pro Humanity.
While Adoption is pro Humanity.
Murder/ Suicide isn't pro Humanity.
The Gun Violence crimes around the globe aren't pro Humanity.
Those parents taking their kids to a Religious building, is pro Humanity.
Helping and feeding the homeless is pro Humanity.
And so on.
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Who implied, your below statement?
"correct; yet one does not have to be religious to learn these values, or religious to teach these values to others. so many Christians seem to think that being an atheist( do not say I am one) means one does not have the same values as Christians do."
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Too many of his moral tenets are not moral at all.
I especially dislike his no divorce and substitutionary punishment policies.
That and scriptures say that he will use genocide against us when he returns.
That does not make Jesus look like a good god or man.
Regards
DL
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To turn the other cheek, is a Jewish way of insulting the one who did the hitting.
Christians have forgotten their Jewish Jesus' roots.
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DL
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Jesus had to show his fright when he had to run away, what, 3 times from the mobs he incited that wanted to stone him for being way too progressive for his peers.
Quite the good philosopher.
As to King David. Strange that Yahweh would show King David how good he thought he waqs by torturing his baby for 6 days before finally murdering it on the 7th day.
Quite the unconditional love, from a satanic prick of a god.
Regards
DL
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maxx
Care to comment on the content of this link?
Regards
DL
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We know that child abuse by parents is way too common, and in those days, it would have been worse.
How could Jesus be pro-community when he said not word one against slavery?
Regards
DL
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Please view the link above and opine on Jesus' less than moral tenets.
I also put a post above it speaking against Jesus' no divorce and substitutional punishment policies.
Do you favor those?
Regards
DL
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Are you giving lessons on how to interpret the Bible? What is the course called, "How to attack the Bible 101"?
I can already see your lesson plan. It’s quite easy, first you use subterfuge to make Scripture mean something that it does not, then you attack that deceitful view mercilessly, hoping that if you tell your lies long enough, people will start to believe you. I'll pass thanks.
If you are judging God from a purely naturalistic worldview, then you are being completely disingenuous. Of course it would be evil to take an innocent person from the world if this world was the only thing that existed. Failure to acknowledge the reality of the soul and the spiritual realm will always culminate in a twisted view of God, like the one you are falsely professing.
“Never argue with an id'iot They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain
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That's a double barrel question.
There is no reason to believe that Jesus was any different from any other of his successors, for example, David Korresh or Jim Jones.
However the Jesus that the Bible so characterises through rose-tinted glasses, says some really good stuff that has stood the test of time and serves us well today.
So, we should always look at the Bible from the point of view of it being a reference book. Most of the Bible is inaccurate, anecdotal, immoral and pornographic but there are certainly more than a few good gems to be found.
Well, ok, maybe I exaggerated.....a few.....
...a couple at least.
@maxx
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I also see a lot of immorality in the so called moral teachings of Jesus; especially his no divorce and substitutional punishment policies.
What sayings did you have in mind, other than what Gnostic Christians use?
Those are a lot better but did not get into the bible. In fact, the inquisitions tried and failed to burn all of our holy books.
Regards
DL
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