So, at some stage during the pregnancy, something goes wrong and a medical consultant says that giving birth will either lead to the death of the mother or put her in a vegetable state for the rest of her life You've got two choices here and one will result in the demise other. Which one do you choose? And after you have chosen then try and tell me how you are still pro-life.
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It is like the commonly used objection to death penalty: "What if the person turns out to be innocent?" Sure, but same goes for any other penalty as well. Court errors happen, and their presence should not affect how the system of justice works in general. Similarly, marginal cases such as the woman's life being in danger, should not affect the general approach.
To me, outlawing abortion makes no sense not because of such special cases, but because it would be infringement on the most basic individual right - bodily autonomy. Whether the mother is endangered by the process of giving birth, whether the child is likely to have a mental deviation, etc. - it is her choice, and nobody can tell her what to do.
Let us have a consistent position on this not requiring considering countless special cases. Otherwise this debate will go on forever, and we will keep exchanging jabs: "What if the mother's life is in danger?" "And what if it is not?" "I think aborting the fetus at a late stage is wrong." "What about aborting it at an earlier stage?" The government should not interfere in these things; let us just leave it at that and not complicate everything needlessly.
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Moral dilemmas do exist and cannot be ignored. It doesn't matter how marginal one thinks a case is. The core of the issue regarding abortion is that it does rest largely on many different circumstances with many different moral and ethical dilemmas for one to make such blanket statements such as they are pro-life. The same goes for pro-choice. However, my argument here is to do with the inconsistency of the self-proclaimed pro-life position which I contend is flawed and with one those flaws being a conflation of moral acceptance of abortion and the meaning of life to people.
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I am not really saying that your objection is not valid; I am saying that this objection is fairly minor and can be dismissed under various fairly logical assumptions. If you want to criticise the anti-abortion stance as a whole, you want to say something about the underlying issues pertinent to all cases, not just to their small subset.
In real life, we always have to assess probability of various things and act based on that assessment. For example, when you go to a party at your friend's house and are offered a cup of wine, there is a theoretical possibility that your friend has poisoned the wine and wants to kill you - however, in practice you will accept the cup and drink it, because you see that theoretical possibility as fairly insignificant. It does happen that good friends poison each other, so it is not something that exists only in your imagination - however, the effect of it on the situation in general is fairly small, sufficient to be neglected.
When talking about societal rules, we always have to make some compromises. This always creates a dilemma: either we introduce a hard rule applicable to everyone, severely disadvantaging a tiny minority of people, or we compromise and make the rule softer, allowing for exceptions. In light of this, a person, for example, may in principle be strongly against abortions, but allow for them in very extreme cases, especially in cases where lives of multiple entities are put on the scale and one has to choose one of them.
I do myself like to point out the inconsistency you are hinting at: that people who value the life of a fetus high enough should not make exceptions just because the mother is in danger, or because the mother was violated. However, it is more of a philosophical objection; it does not have to apply to how the system of justice works. We all make exceptions and compromises on our positions all the time; that is just how the world works.
In any case, my point was practical: that you are going to have a better luck changing people's minds by attacking their argument at its core, rather than considering its individual branches. I may be wrong about it, but that is what my experience tells me: unless you get someone to see how their argument is severely flawed at its base, you will not break them out of their mindset. You can get them to make some concessions, but to change their view on the subject entirely, you have to go deeper.
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But, then, this country has gone crazy, on the right …. the FAR right, anyway.
Over 60% of "right wingers" support Roe v Wade. That SHOULD be enough, but ………………...
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