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You, nor anyone else, has shown how circle time zones work fine. Stop with the lies.
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https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Anyway, whats your rebuttal to not feeling the faster than light motion the galaxy allegedly takes around a "great attractor"? We can feel ourselves moving at 7 MPH (like on a roundabout) and have to cling on for dear life if we do that, but yet we cannot feel alleged faster than light motion and while were at it dont fly off.
This went from the Earth being flat to us hypothetically moving faster than light. Makes perfect sense
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On a globe time zones are a line."
You have given nothing but diagrams as proof of this. From the sun, towards the earth, the light will hit the earth with a circle
because it is a ball in your model, and this is common sense, a demonstrable fact (as I have shown), and well known by most in even in your model. Time zones work very well in FET, perhaps even better.
You can continue denying this all you want, you're wasted my time at this point. I've explained how "circle become lines" in a way that, as you requested, a six year old can understand. Anyone with at least a middle school education knows what projections are, and how inaccurate they are when mapping a ball out on flat paper (except for the azimuthal equidistant map, which i have shown, and you have dropped), and can identify a terminator line. I'll not respond on this point with you again until you've made a valid point or refutation.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Ok we can use a different picture if you want. On your new gif the sun would keep antarctic nice and toasty as it would get as much sun as what somewhere around the state of Nebraska? Hopefully we can also agree that a light source creates a circle rather than an egg as was pictured in your gif. So I did you a favor and drew the timezone circle on your newest image for reference, and as you can see north american times zones are curved even worse in this one.
Look use as many maps as you want, time zone lines do NOT WORK on the flat earth model. This has not been refuted, this has not been addressed, and I have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt on your OWN maps how it couldn't work.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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I have written a self help book if you're willing to spend $1 for material I'm sure you'll ridicule me about.
http://a.co/8R9WMeJ
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Why does it go dark in the evening?
Succinct answer please.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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The earth is a ball as have been proven to you numerous different ways, the three amigos just ignore facts, and go off on tangent information like it answers the question. You are just like Kellyanne...
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Also, even if the galaxy isn't moving faster than light...
Why not explain why a child on a roundabout has to cling on for dear life if they go at 7 MPH, and they can definently feel that, but then we can't feel the Earth spinning faster than sound moving at 66,000 MPH around the sun. If the Earth is really moving this fast, we shouldn't be able to hear sound.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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A child on a roundabout hanging on for dear life at 7 mph. A roundabout is on the roadways, and I've taken them at 30 mph and my children didn't have to hold on for "dear life", but you are changing direction so you will "feel" the change. This is why when you stop quickly in your car your coffee spills. We can feel changes in speed and direction, but we can't feel constant speed.
Now maybe you meant merry-go-round but then it couldn't be mph it would have to be rotations per minute or something like that because merry-go-rounds don't go miles... ever. So I answered the question as asked.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Merry go round, roundabout, call it whatever ya want.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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That was the argument which was given a fallacy.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Just because some pictures of the globe are shown to be fakes that doesn't mean they're all fake.
He countered one of his own points. he he
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1178849/Secret-bumblebee-flight-revealed-Insects-defy-gravity-brute-force.html
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Why do metal and magnets attract? I know you've seen this in action even if you can't explain it. Gravity works the same way on anything with mass. Water has mass. If you want to test this blow air bubbles under water and you'll see them rise because water is heavier than air. All this stuff is easily provable at your house.
Ok so now that I've dealt with the "faster than light universe" and the "roundabout" you are moving on to sound. Your fallacy is ....
So now we are discussing sound are we? Ok if you are in a car doing 50 mph and you shoot a gun the bullet starts out 50 mph faster right? Do you need me to go further down this path or can you figure it out from here?
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Unlike most fliers the bumblebee isn't a efficient, so they require much more energy to fly than they "should". Hence the reference to "brute force". But all fliers "defy gravity".
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What causes gravity and what does gravity look like? Show me a picture of it. If mass is attracted to mass, prove it. You like to demand proof of God, show me some gravity.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The first "proof" of gravity was the Cavendish experiment. Given your desire to recreate things, you could recreate this experiment if you wanted to. Here are a couple of other people replicating it
Here is a video of high school students doing it.
Here is a much more technical version:
There have been numerous proofs of gravity other than this, but they aren't something you can see yourself. I personally like this one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2819205/Testing-gravity-world-s-BIGGEST-vacuum-chamber-Watch-Brian-Cox-prove-bowling-ball-feathers-fall-together.html
but who has a At 122 feet high and 100 feet in diameter vacuum chamber.right?
Consider yourself "shown some gravity". Any more science you need me to explain?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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And who controlled everything 500 years ago, 1000 years ago etc.
Also.
If your flat Earth model is accurate. Why is there a seasonal variation in day length at the north pole.
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That sounds pretty plausible, everything have mass, so everything should exhibit an attraction to another, but they don't.
"Drop anything to see what gravity looks like."
Or I could see an object that hasn't reached a point of critical density. The molecules that make up the air under the object are less dense than the molecules that make up the object. Gravity is conjecture, (that has never been conclusively demonstrated or proved) meant to explain a theory that was never proved. Up is really up, down is really down is really down. No magical, selective imaginary force that there is no evidence for. It's like saying "goddunit". Here's a quote from it's expounder.
"Tis inconceivable that inanimate brute matter should (without the mediation of something else which is not material) operate upon & affect other matter without mutual contact; as it must if gravitation in the sense of Epicurus be essential & inherent in it. And this is one reason why I desired you would not ascribe {innate} gravity to me. That gravity should be innate inherent & {essential} to matter so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of any thing else by & through which their action or force {may} be conveyed from one to another is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters any competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it. Gravity must be caused by an agent {acting} constantly according to certain laws, but whether this agent be material or immaterial is a question I have left to the consideration of my readers."
Isaac Newton
https://books.google.com/books?id=lfq4DQAAQBAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=
"There have been numerous proofs of gravity other than this, but they aren't something you can see yourself. I personally like this one..."
Dropping a bowling ball and a feather in a vacuum doesn't prove that all mass is attracted to other mass. It's proof that up is up and down is down, which contradicts the ball earth model. So, "gravity", in every demonstrable circumstance so far, proves the earth is not a ball. This leads us to the Cavendish experiment.
"The first "proof" of gravity was the Cavendish experiment. Given your desire to recreate things, you could recreate this experiment if you wanted to."
The original Cavendish experiment has never been replicated, despite your claim. It was originally performed using 350lb lead balls, and measured through a window with a telescope. The revised experiment is patently ridiculous and ignores factors such as tectonic plate movements, the mass of any nearby objects and even any AC units in nearby proximity. Of course this shows how important the Copernican principle is and proponents substitute science with pseudoscience.
Here’s an article by Scientific American stating that the Cavendish Experiment is the basis of measuring planetary weight.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-do-scientists-measure/
Quoted:
"Because we know the radius of the Earth, we can use the Law of Universal Gravitation to calculate the mass of the Earth in terms of the gravitational force on an object (its weight) at the Earth’s surface, using the radius of the Earth as the distance. We also need the Constant of Proportionality in the Law of Universal Gravitation, G. This value was experimentally determined by Henry Cavendish in the 18th century to be the extremely small force of 6.67 x 10-11 Newtons between two objects weighing one kilogram each and separated by one meter. Cavendish determined this constant by accurately measuring the horizontal force between metal spheres in an experiment sometimes referred to as “weighing the earth.”"
But yet here’s
http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?messageID=7657321&tstart=0
an article that totally destroys the Cavendish experiment and says;
"Every one can witness, that no matter how large and massive of two balls, of steel you make and place them close together, that there never, ever was a perceptible attraction by Newtonian gravity of one for the other. But everyone can build the tiniest of bar magnets and notice that as you bring the two closer together, that the snap at one another in attraction.
Also, the asteroid Ida and its moon Dactyl. Anyone doing the Cavendish Experiment and believing it, should look at the asteroid belt, that all the asteroids should have moons based on Cavendish Experiment, but the fact is, that gravitational bonding is a rare phenomenon, because, well, gravity is not Newtonian and that gravity is EM-gravity.
So the Cavendish Experiment is a fairy tale experiment, and not physics. Physicists should be ashamed of that experiment, not proud."
From Universe Today:
"But physicists think about gravity all the time. To them, gravity is one of the mysteries to be solved in order to get a complete understanding of how the Universe works.
So, what is gravity and where does it come from?
To be honest, we’re not entirely sure."
Critics of newton theory from all over the plane have come forth.
https://www.newscientist.com/round-up/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity
Most people in England have either read, or heard, that Sir Isaac Newton’s theory of gravitation was originated by his seeing an apple fall to earth from a tree in his garden.
Persons gifted with ordinary common sense would say the apple fell down to earth because, bulk for bulk, it was heavier than the surrounding air’ but if, instead of an apple, a fluffy feather been detached from a tree, a breeze would probably have sent the feather floating away, and the feather would not reach the earth until the surrounding air became so still that, by virtue of its own density, the feather would fall to the ground.” “Lady Blount, “Clarion’s Science Versus God’s Truth”.
“It was said, in effect, by Newton, and has ever since been insisted upon by his disciples: ‘Allow us, without proof, which is impossible, the existence of two universal forces –centrifugal and centripetal, or attraction and repulsion, and we will construct a theory which shall explain all the leading phenomena and mysteries of Nature.’
An apple falling from a tree, or a stone rolling downwards and a pail of water tied to a string and set in motion were assumed to be types of the relations existing among all the bodies in the universe. The moon was assumed to have a tendencey to fall towards the earth, and the earth and moon together towards the sun.
The same relation was assumed to exist between all the smaller and larger luminaries in the firmament; and it soon became necessary to extend these assumptions to infinity. The universe was parcelled out into systems–co-existent and illimitable.
Suns, planets, satellites, and comets, were assumed to exist infinite in number and boundless in extent; and to enable the theorists to explain alternating and constantly recurring phenomena, which were everywhere observable, these numberless and for-ever-extending objects were assumed to be spheres.
The earth we inhabit was called a planet, and because it was thought to be reasonable that the luminous objects in the firmament, which were called planets, were spherical and had motion–ergo, the earth is gblobe and moves upon axes, and in an orbit round the sun!
And as the earth is a globe and is inhabited, so again it is only reasonable to conclude that the planets are worlds like the earth, and are inhabited by sentient beings. What reasoning! What shameful perversion of intellectual gifts!” Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy”
“They want you to believe that the Moon’s rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that’s why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious – that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon’s speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don’t think there is one person in many, many thousands – regardless of education – who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon’s observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses.” -Marshall Hall
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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Interesting fact the shocks on your car hold up 1,000s of pounds, and you can still move them up and down with your hand even though you only weight 100 or so pounds. Isn't the things science figures out cool?
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