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Could God Have Created The Universe Without Evil?
@just_sayin
It isn't my fault that you are struggling to understand. The fact that you think ANE languages all work like English speaks volumes to your lack of understanding.
But it is your fault you pretend you don't know what the terms " buy" , " purchase " , " inheritance " mean.I am not a Mormon. I went to a high school that offered ancient languages. I had 3 years of Latin also (don't claim to remember any of it). I had a year of classical Greek in college. But I do not consider myself a language expert like you do.
Yes I know you dont and you never should as you are mediocre , yes I am an expert put it down to being educated by the Jesuists.The servant/slave could not be kidnapped
What has that got to do with purchasing slaves you troll?
. This has been explained to you. The fact the contract is passed on to the descendant, is a protection to the slave/servant that they will continue to be paid for their services
I've never heard such nonsense a slave was your property to buy , sell , beat and hand down you troll , it's all there in the book you're clueless about.
. If it was not passed on then the slave/servant could find themselves having performed their part of the agreement and the not be paid for their services. This was explained to you also. You are troll.
You've totally reinvented biblical passages in an attempt to cover up for what you know to be further proof that you worship a vicious immoral god.
The only troll here is you as you lie , misrepresent and refuse to answer questions on the religion you profess to follow , run along now like the good little Mormon you are.
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Is Atheism A Religion of Love and Peace?
@MayCaesar
I keep telling Just_sayin that a faith he's compelled to lie to protect is not faith worth having. But he won't listen as the truth is an affront to beliefs in the imaginary and he thinks I'm just insulting him.
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Do I Have To Respect Your Beliefs?
We already know Christianity is intolerant of the truth. These boards prove that. What's your point, had an unexpected rational thought sneak into your brain?GiantMan said:Always remember that when it comes to personal relationships, tolerance is a virtue; but when it comes to truth, tolerance is a travesty. -
Do I Have To Respect Your Beliefs?
Always remember that when it comes to personal relationships, tolerance is a virtue; but when it comes to truth, tolerance is a travesty. -
Strange/senseless questions
1: Whatever meaning you put on it which I guess can change over the years as its fluid to me anyway
2:That's a very tricky but interesting one are mathematical truths our own invention or does mathematics describe a reality " out there" , it seems that maths does accurately describe how things stand " out there " and are not a matter of convention.
3: Peterson is intelligent but very annoying , I watched him talk for nearly have an hour when asked if there was a god , he waffles on and on never saying anything insightful or meaningful regarding belief in God.
I've never heard any half way decent argument for a god , the term "god" is never defined in a meaningful way and all "god " arguments nearly always descend into redefining accepted terminology and thus descending into linguistic battles that lead nowhere.
4: Moral value is added by the emotional spectacles through which we observe the world the belief that " right " and " wrong" are objective properties that are " there anyway " is nonsense .
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I actually think dialogue about these topics and others can lead to being informative in a meaningful way , take your example below.....
Kind of like those people who go to art galleries and pretend to generate incredible insights about the paintings while having no idea about art (not saying that everyone who goes there does that, but some people - including myself - certainly do)..........
As a full time Artist I've watched over the years various " experts" on Arts talk the most interminable opinionated nonsense regards Art , whole University course are offered worldwide now teaching others how to use Art speak.
A person walking into a high end gallery mostly will feel satisfied that the piece he or she is buying is being described in arcane postmodernist language as the price will always reflect such , the high end Art market is incredibly lucrative and academics and experts of all sorts will play this ridiculous game of pretending to know the artists inner motivations for creating the work.
The motivation is nearly always money but its incredibly rude to admit this in polite society. So yes talking of these things can aid people in navigating their way through b-ll sh-t.
An artist over here was given a grant of 80,000 euros to nuture his artistic talents he rewarded the committee by assembling debris that was washed up on the local beach and titled it ....".lost and found" those who truly understood Art ranted and raved at its " brilliance " ....utter lunacy , intelligent people are meant to say nothing while the st-pid " educate " us. -
Do I Have To Respect Your Beliefs?
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Do I Have To Respect Your Beliefs?
@BonitaVanhooser
Don't disrespect anyone's beliefs. Period.
So don't disrespect a Klu Klux Klans belief blacks are inferior? Seriously? -
Memorial Day
@Factfinder
The lifers in my army barracks laughed and cheered when the Kent State students were killed.
You're right though. Draft boards deserve some hate too. -
Could God Have Created The Universe Without Evil?
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Strange/senseless questions
Factfinder said:What is the meaning of life? I tend to agree with you, there isn't any explicit meaning of life. When we study animal behavior and biology life seems to have an inadvertent goal to it and that is to live, resist death and procreate. And of course that's just me applying the concept of goals to life. The driving force behind said alleged goals do tend to apparently disclose purpose in some lives like the possum for instance. Routinely called the forest's cleaning service, their ability to resist rabies and bacterial diseases when found in decaying flesh benefits other species who aren't dead or infected. As they 'clean' the forest when they feast. The overall evolution of an environment that supports life even in the individual dying of life forms. That's what we are tempted to label as 'purpose'.
Is mathematics discovered or invented? Yes. Linier time existed so the days and nights tallied up as time passed before we invented measurements of time and numerals representing the measurements. Of course days and nights were discovered as we observed them and realized they were predictable and not random events. Oh, I'm the worst when it comes to people explaining mathematical formulas and equations. LOL
Does god exist? No. At least not as any concepts imagined in the known universe so far. In our query for answers to hard questions what answers we have found only lead to natural phenomenon.
Do intrinsic moral imperatives exist? Tough one but in the end they are subjective in societal settings and individually it completely depends on what the individual will justify in any given circumstances. A society may deem theft immoral but and a starving individual may see his plight more immoral than stealing bread from a merchant. Circular but not necessarily wrong as it is thought to be an injustice when food is actually plentiful. Can go on about differing societies, religious sects and so on but in the end, no intrinsic moral imperatives do not exist though created ones do.
1. Two things. Just because we may not have found a practical reason to discuss these things even if it's with sophistry, it doesn't mean it won't ever lead to practicality at some point. And number two, It's a great way to pass the time away in a bar so maybe that's the practicality you're looking for.
2. It can be a little bit of both. You can be missing a vital piece of information and/or they can just be posturing. We can define discussing these things as useless but at the same time it does fulfill our natural societal existence we developed into as we are not a solitary species by definition.
All just my opinions of course.When it comes to purpose of different animals and the like, it seems to me that it rather works the other way: animals adapt to the environment, and the environment adapts to the animals. For instance, hyenas evolved to feed on the remains of animals, which as a byproduct makes the environment safer for other animals - however, there is nothing in evolution of hyenas per se that would make making environment safer for other animals valuable in any way. Now, other animals can take advantage of that by being bolder when it comes to hunting as they do not run as high a risk of contracting diseases from decaying animals - and, ironically, many of them (for instance, lions) end up hunting the very hyenas that make the environment safer for them!Now, taking a bird's eye view of the consequences of all of these processes, we can see how biological traits of various animals come together to create a complex thriving biosphere, often at the expense of their own well-being or even survival. But would it be fair to say that the hyenas' purpose is cleaning the desert of diseases? Hyenas themselves would certainly disagree with that. To them the idea would be as preposterous as to us the idea that humans' purpose is to take care of pet dogs. The dogs might like the sentiment, but the humans certainly would not consider the idea seriously.Regarding the question of god, I suppose to me the immediate question is, "What is the difference between the world with or without god?" If the difference is very significant, then it should be relatively easy to perform an experiment and see which world we live in. And if it is highly insignificant, then I fail to see what the answer matters. Deists, for instance, posit that god created the Universe, then essentially left it to its own devices. How is that principally different from there having been no good, if the outcome is exactly the same?Theists often resort to esoteric language: "You know god with your heart", "You would hear the god if you only listened", "I commune with god when praying" - and never say anything concrete. What can I do right now to confirm for myself that god exists? The answer is always some kind of, "Open your heart and pray, and eventually you will understand". Sounds like I have to hypnotize myself into believing in god, which is just silly.I also want to comment on your points 1 and 2. I think you might be onto something here: perhaps having these conversations a bar is more important than we realize. We think that we are just messing around and having fun, but we might be performing some deep philosophical experiments in the process (and the mind freed by alcohol might be an essential ingredient here) that improve our general thinking and then allow us to be more efficient at thinking about things that have immediate practical implications.I had a debate with a mathematician once where I claimed that the Sun objectively exists, and she argued that existence of the Sun depends on the assumptions we start with. I now realize that we both were right in different ways, but at the time her position sounded ludicrous to me and my inability to refute her arguments was extremely frustrating (and made me chase her romantically, but that is a different story). In the hindsight, that conversation did quite a bit to improve my general thinking, even if at the time I thought we were just messing around on a long drive.
