Does the Second Amendment, belong to the Citizens of the United States?

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"The First Lady and I are heartbroken over this senseless and cowardly attack, and we offer our unwavering support to the victims, their families, and all the people of Midland and Odessa," Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. "The state of Texas and the Department of Public Safety are working closely with local law enforcement to provide resources as needed and deliver justice for this heinous attack. I thank the first responders who have acted swiftly and admirably under pressure, and I want to remind all Texans that we will not allow the Lone Star State to be overrun by hatred and violence. We will unite, as Texans always do, to respond to this tragedy."
Texas state Rep. Brooks Landgraf tweeted: "The tragic situation unfolding in Odessa is serious. Please stay in your homes. I've been in contact with DPS officials, the Speaker and the Governor, and we are working to help in any way possible. In the meantime, please pray for the victims."

Rep. Brooks Landgraf@BrooksLandgraf

The tragic situation unfolding in Odessa is serious. Please stay in your homes. I’ve been in contact with DPS officials, the Speaker and the Governor, and we are working to help in any way possible. In the meantime, please pray for the victims.

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RELATED: 7 killed, 22 injured in Midland-Odessa shooting rampage, police say

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"The shooting comes just weeks after a gunman in the Texas border city of El Paso killed 22 people after opening fire at a Walmart. Abbott this week held two meetings with lawmakers about how to prevent more mass shootings in Texas."

To the NRA, to the pro gun extremists, to the Far Right Pro Gun supporters, and the non gun owning, gun supporters:

The mass shooters gun violence crimes, and the other gun violence crimes that are committed, daily, in the US, are UNACCEPTABLE.

Regardless if the 400 million plus guns, are legal, or illegal.

If the Mass shooters, and the criminal and the offenders can't exercise self responsibility, and commit gun violence crimes with their guns, then the PUBLIC deserves fair and equal treatment, via an amended Second Amendment, being that too many people, are looking the other way, when innocent people are being gunned down across the country, because some of those 400 million plus guns, are maybe more important to some of those individual guns owners, than the humanity around the legal gun owner, and the illegal gun owner, at any given time, in any given city, or state in the United States.

TKDB

A follow-up to the Odessa mass shooter.

Another Mass shooter with an AR type of weapon.

The Mass shooters name: Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa Texas.

Another gun owner, acting irresponsibly with his gun, and killing and wounding innocent citizens, including a Texas State Trooper.

Take note NRA.

Take note the Far Right Pro Gun supporters crowd.

Take note the Pro Gun Extremists.

Take note:
@CYDdharta
@Vaulk
@MayCaesar
@ZeusAres42

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ABCNews

"7 killed, 22 injured as alleged mass shooting suspect targets more than 15 locations in Odessa, Texas: Police

By Emily Shapiro,Bill Hutchinson"

"Seven people were killed and at least 22 others injured when a gunman armed with an AR-type assault rifle went on a rampage in Odessa and Midland in Western Texas on Saturday before he was shot to death in a gunfight with police, according to authorities."

"The latest mass shooting in America came exactly four weeks after 22 people were gunned down at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and another nine people killed the next day by another gunman in Dayton, Ohio."

"The suspect in Odessa, identified by police as Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa, allegedly launched the mass shooting after getting pulled over by police for a minor traffic violation, officials said. He then drove around in his vehicle randomly firing at victims in more than 15 different locations, including a car dealership and a movie theater, police said."

"The victims killed ranged in age from 15 to 57, and Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said on Sunday that the carnage could have been much worse had police not killed him before he got inside a crowded movie theater."

"He showed up at a movie theater, which would tend to show his motive," Gerke said.

A city of Odessa police car, left, and a U.S. mail vehicle, right, which were involved in Saturday's shooting, are pictured outside the Cinergy entertainment center, Sept. 1, 2019, in Odessa, Texas.

"The chief declined to identify the suspect during the news conference, saying, "I'm not going to give him any notoriety for what he did."

"He told reported the suspect's name would be released soon, but not in a public forum. The Odessa Police Department later released the suspect's name on its Facebook page."

"Gerke said that among the 22 people injured were three law enforcement officers and a 17-month-old girl."

"Texas Gov. Greg Abbott lamented having to go to another "shattered" Texas town to discuss a mass shooting, saying, "Too many Texans are dying."

"During the news conference, Abbott read a text message from the mother of the toddler who was wounded in the rampage.,

"This is all of our worst nightmare," the mother wrote in the text, according to Abbott. "But thank God she is alive and relatively well."

"The mother said her daughter suffered injuries to her lip, teeth and tongue, and shrapnel wounds to her chest."

"She’s having surgery tomorrow to remove the shrapnel from her chest and to fix her lip and mouth and to get a better look at her tongue," the mother wrote. "We are thanking God for healing her and appreciate continued prayers.”

"Police initially said five people were killed, but that number included the shooter. On Sunday, Gerke said the number of people allegedly killed by the gunman rose overnight from four to seven."

"It should have been a great day, a long holiday weekend," Gerke said. "Instead, it was a little after 3 in the afternoon we had something happen that we'd never wish on anyone."

"The shootings unfolded just at 3:15 p.m. local time when a Texas Department of Public Safety officer pulled the suspect's gold Honda over for failing signal before making a turn, Gerke said."

"As the officer approached the Honda, the suspect opened fire without warning, wounding the officer, who later underwent surgery and remained hospitalized on Sunday, officials said."

In this image made from video provided by Dustin Fawcett, police officers guard on a street in Odessa, Texas, Saturday, Aug. 31, 2019.

"Christopher Combs, special agent in charge of the FBI field office in San Antonio, said the weapon used in the shooting was an AR-type rifle. He said it remained under investigation how the suspect obtained the weapon."

"Gerke said that after the suspect, described as white and in his 30s, shot the trooper, he fled along Interstate 20 toward Odessa, targeting people more than 15 different locations."

"When he reached 42nd Street in Odessa, he opened fire again, wounding several more people, authorities added."

"As police from multiple agencies scrambled to stop the rolling rampage, authorities mistakenly thought there were two gunmen after the suspect ditched his vehicle and allegedly carjacked a U.S. Postal Service van, officials said."

"The alleged killer then sped toward the Cinergy center, a local entertainment complex that includes a cineplex and a laser-tag range."

"Meztli Sanchez told ABC News that she was playing laser-tag with her 7-year-old son, when people rushed into the indoor range, screaming that the shooter was outside."

"Sanchez said she, her son and other panicked patrons ran to the rear of the cineplex, where some ran into a field as more gunfire broke out."

"I grabbed my son and put him behind me and held him against the wall until the shooting stopped," Sanchez told ABC News on Sunday morning when she returned to Cinergy center to pick up her truck, which she left in the parking lot.

"A cellphone video taken by a witness showed the suspect speeding toward the cineplex in the postal van before a police officer in a marked SUV rammed the van on the driver's side, causing it to spin out and stop. Within seconds, police open fire on the van, killing the driver inside."

"The suspect was shot and killed by responding officers after he rammed at least one patrol cars with the stolen mail van, police said."

This handout image taken on Aug. 31, 2019, shows a car with bullet holes in the window after a gunman opened fire on the I-20 highway in between Odessa and Midland, Texas.

The motive for the shooting is under investigation, police said.

Police arrive at Cinergy Odessa cinema following a shooting in Odessa, Texas, in this still image taken from a social media video posted on Aug. 31, 2019.

"A Midland police officer was also shot and underwent surgery, Morales said.

The three injured officers suffered non-life-threatening wounds, officials said.

Midland Memorial Hospital received six patients and another 13 patients were taken to Medical Health Center, according to the hospital's president, Russell Tippin.

Three of shooting victims died after being taken to hospitals, officials said."

People are evacuated from Cinergy Odessa cinema following a shooting in Odessa, Texas, in this still image taken from video posted to social media, Aug. 31, 2019.

"Cinergy Entertainment, the entertainment center where the rampage came to an end, released a statement on Twitter calling the shooting a "senseless tragedy."

"The safety of our team members and guests are our top priority and we are extremely grateful for the swift response from local authorities & first responders," the statement read."

Authorities cordon off a part of the sidewalk in Odessa, Texas, after a mass shooting on Aug. 31, 2019.

"The state of Texas and the Department of Public Safety are working closely with local law enforcement to provide resources as needed and deliver justice for this heinous attack," Gov. Abbott said in an earlier statement.

"We will not allow the Lone Star State to be overrun by hatred and violence. We will unite, as Texans always do, to respond to this tragedy,” he added. "We offer our unwavering support to the victims, their families, and all the people of Midland and Odessa."

President Donald Trump tweeted that he's been briefed by the attorney general.

"FBI and Law Enforcement is fully engaged," he tweeted. "More to follow."

The shooting came a day before eight new laws that ease restrictions on guns went into the effect in Texas, including prohibiting landlords from banning tenants from having guns in their apartments and allowing people licensed to carry concealed weapons to have firearms in churches and other places of worship.

"The Odessa-Midland rampage was the fifth mass shooting in Texas since September 2017 that have left a combined 72 people dead and 78 wounded."

ZeusAres42

@TKDB

Well, all I can say is this:

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

An irrelevant video of the song, "We Didn't Start the Fire," is what you're relying on to support your Opinion?

Where's your actual counter argument at?

Another Mass shooter killed 5 people, and shot a State Trooper, and a 17 month old toddler, along with other victims.

Are they covering the news story over there in the United Kingdom?

@CYDdharta

Where's your counter argument at?

@NRA

Where's your counter argument at?

@the Far Right Pro Gun supporters

Where's your counter arguments at?

@the Pro Gun Extremists

Where's your counter argument at?

TKDB

From the NRA on Twitter:

"A Colorado teen has been told he cannot return to school until authorities hold a “threat assessment hearing” after he went target shooting with his mother and posted about it on Snapchat. #Unbelievable. www.breitbart.com/po… "

"Surprise, surprise! The anti-gun media promotes gun confiscation laws by exaggerating "study" results."

"I spoke to the president today. We discussed the best ways to prevent these types of tragedies.

@realDonaldTrump

is a strong #2A President and supports our Right to Keep and Bear Arms! – Wayne LaPierre"

@CYDdharta

@ZeusAres42

See how the NRA uses social media, to publicize itself?

I believe that the NRA, view themselves as the "Official Stewardship," of the Second Amendment?

And I'm wondering why they didn't publicly express the outcome of their conversation with Trump, in regards to this quotation from their own publicity statement?

"I spoke to the President today. We discussed the best ways to prevent these types of tragedies. And Donald Trump is a strong President and supports our Right to Keep and Bear Arms! Wayne LaPierre."

@NRA, So to Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, what ARE the best ways to prevent these types of tragedies?

The Second Amendment, doesn't belong to the NRA, and the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about some of the legal gun owners, and the illegal gun owners, being allowed to have the Right to Bear Arms, and then to kill people, through their various gun violence crimes, that have been committed by some, with their legally owned, and illegally owned guns?

The Second Amendment, as it's currently written, is a failure to family safety, and the Public safety overall, isn't it, @CYDdharta @ZeusAres42 @Vaulk?

John_C_87

@TKDB

Where's your actual counter argument at? Counter argument? Do you mean what questions might there be in preserving American United State Constitution of lethal force uses publicly? It appears as though people who appose guns in the united state share openly the use of lethal force by targeting people unprepared to directly address lethal force. These type actions are more an undertaking that resembles Civil War, the united state of waiting to engage armed representation is not present in these shootings. This rules out the principle of occupation and control of the Nation as the goal of change set by this use of lethal force. Where's your counter argument at? There are many things to question and look into in theses matters as a state of the union. Presidential or not. Where the civilians shot by gun armed or unarmed. Opportunity given to yield to a filed grievance verbally before an Independent Armed Service fire on the general public. The American Constitutional United State describes a right to peacefully assemble and file grievance, this does not mean they all will follow the required United State. They may have been given incentive to do otherwise by past experiences and enforcement of American Constitution as law becomes more, and more likely to be ignored. Is this a circumstance created by debt or other new forms of payment somehow? With new currency or credit a person needs to understand these systems do not pay all debt legally, they do not even place such a standard in writing, and subsequently place people in danger by attaching names and addresses to payments as a united state.

The shooting came a day before eight new laws that ease restrictions on guns went into the effect in Texas, including prohibiting landlords from banning tenants from having guns in their apartments and allowing people licensed to carry concealed weapons to have firearms in churches and other places of worship.

By the way you do understand that by law, American United State Constitution, a Tenant of any property in the America's, cannot by United State created by law under any Constitution written force a landlord to Maintain an Amery on their behalf. Land Lord has choice to allow a ranch hand or tenant to maintain an armory, in basic principle the deed of land is the license of authority in the armory question. The United State of Constitution states by legal precedent a tenant may negotiate only for a right to file for an independent permission to maintain Amory at a location not in their ownership, one that is not held by official title of Lord. Lord Is a direct connection to common law, as is Land Lord.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/common-law

So we have a clear understanding. A person with a gun and American constitutional right to own it must possess a property by deed/title and the gun was always limited by that area. When looking at preservation of American United State Constitution and Declaration of independence only.

Where's your counter argument at?
Another counter argument might be, could be, the principle of shooting in limited reasons can be a relief of some kind legal issue that occurs by other forms of regulation when efforts to investigate details take place . The Chemical Civil War created by arms of narcotics directly as the weapon meaning differences between planned not always forced overdoes of narcotic bring less attention in Identification as murder than shootings. New and Drastic methods of influence become deployed.

TKDB

From Greg Abbott on Twitter:

GregAbbott_TX

"Not only did the Odessa gunman have a criminal history... ...he also previously failed a gun purchase background check in Texas... ...& he didn’t go thru a background check for the gun he used in Odessa. We must keep guns out of criminals’ hands."

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190901/odessa-gunman-had-criminal-history-in-central-texas-dps-records-show

"Odessa gunman had criminal history in Central Texas, DPS records show"

"The 36-year-old Odessa man accused of killing seven people and injuring 22 others in West Texas on Saturday has a criminal record in Central Texas, according to Texas Department of Public Safety online records.

A DPS criminal history search shows that Seth Aaron Ator was arrested in August 2001 for an evading arrest charge and a criminal trespass charge in McLennan County when he was 18. Ator pleaded guilty to both Class B misdemeanor charges, according to DPS records. Sentences in both cases were deferred in 2002.

Online records for Ator also showed previous addresses in Lorena and Waco.

Odessa police had identified Ator on its Facebook page as the shooter in a series of apparently random attacks in the Midland-Odessa area. In a news conference on Sunday, Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke refused to say the name the gunman, explaining that he did not want give the shooter any publicity, according to the Associated Press.

Police said the rampage started when a state trooper stopped Ator along Interstate 20 for failing to signal a left turn Saturday afternoon. Authorities said Ator then pointed a rifle out the rear of his vehicle and fired several shots at the patrol car pulling him over, the Associated Press reported.

The gunshots struck one of the two troopers inside and Ator fled the scene. Witnesses described gunfire near shopping centers and busy intersections, the AP reported. At one point, Ator hijacked a U.S. Postal Service vehicle and drove to the Cinergy Movie Theater in Odessa, where he was eventually shot and killed by police officers.

The identities of those killed Saturday have not yet been released, and police on Sunday said Ator’s motive was not yet known."

This Mass Shooter, wasn't supposed to have an guns, because he had a criminal history.

Again to the @NRA, and to @Vaulk, and @CYDdharta, and @ZeusAres42.

The Second Amendment, doesn't belong to the NRA, and the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about some of the legal gun owners, and the illegal gun owners, being allowed to have the Right to Bear Arms, and then to kill people, through their various gun violence crimes, that have been committed by some, with their legally owned, and illegally owned guns?

The Second Amendment, as it's currently written, is a failure to family safety, and the Public safety overall, isn't it, @CYDdharta

@ZeusAres42. @Vaulk?

John_C_87

"Not only did the Odessa gunman have a criminal history...
...he also previously failed a gun purchase background check in Texas...
...& he didn’t go thru a background check for the gun he used in Odessa. We must keep guns out of criminals’ hands."

Again the united state is lethal force for all legislation of law on American United State Constitutional Right. It is not Explaining how unconstitutional law does not make everyone a criminal by united state. The construction of prosecution becomes based only on a states ability to prosecute with success not structure of law itself. The cases is started which a prosecutor feels as though it will be understood by a jury who is placed in control of the judicial separation process, no documentation of united state exists of all natures of crime under United State basic principle are easy to be understand in legal precedent, the way that actual describes a fact of wrong be collected as evidence. A Gun is only one type of evidence that is collected in the wrong use of lethal force. We question lethal force not murder, it is lethal force which describes itself by evidence to others as a form of several murders.

The Second Amendment, as it's currently written, is a failure to family safety, and the Public safety overall, isn't it,

The second Amendment belongs to the American declaration of independence, then American United State of Constitution. The biggest Cite of this is the 2nd Amendment is amending only proven states found United in American Constitution. This may be applied to all national Constitutions written providing said Constitutions are in fact basic principle and legal precedent plus united state.

The Second Amendment, doesn't belong to the NRA, and the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about some of the legal gun owners, and the illegal gun owners, being allowed to have the Right to Bear Arms, and then to kill people, through their various gun violence crimes, that have been committed by some, with their legally owned, and illegally owned guns? The Second Amendment, as it's currently written, is a failure to family safety, and the Public safety overall, isn't it? Yes, this is known the 2nd amendment does not say the word gun it states clearly the bearing weight of all arm's known, and unknown. This is what clearly makes a united State in basic principle of lethal force, use your democratic powers of republic for the good of common tranquility. Again, please direct attention to the use of lethal force by intelligent understanding as this is the statement of the 2nd amendment, claims, lies not be applied improperly in some way. Who is not using lethal force as a common defense, why not? Is the governing by law on this force increasing the danger in all shootings as a united state? Is it forcing people to wait helplessly dependent on others?

The observation would question hidden possibly illegal amendment made on American independence itself as causing the increased lack of safety. Not only in State of Texas but all groups held in that particular questionable state of union. Sounds like a great Presidential state of the union topic who was last Man or Presadera as woman candidate for Executive office ever spoke at liberty about the constitutional issue?

By united State a basic idea and legal issue is brought to light in the deaths in Texas, The 2nd Amendment does not give a right by its union of two states for a tenant to own a Gun without written permission from any landlord. ( A common law precedent to which independence has already been limited) While the preamble of American Constitutional states a common defense for when the tenant can prove preservation of all constitutional requirements. The debate here is beyond reasonable doubt as a standard of precedent, This might be presumed possible if basic principle can be verbal expressed for all legislation of laws written.

TKDB

@CYDdharta, What do you view as a fallacy? Spell it out for the Public?

@Vaulk

@ZeusAres42

@MayCaesar

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/01/us/west-texas-shooting-17-month-old-trnd/index.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ==#aoh=15674621067008&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/west-texas-shooting-17-month-old-trnd/index.html

"17-month-old injured in West Texas shooting spree is recovering from surgery"

By Amanda Jackson and Scottie Andrew, CNN

"(CNN)Seventeen-month-old Anderson Davis was one of the 22 people injured in last weekend's shooting spree in West Texas. Despite her injuries, she's expected to make a full recovery, her parents say.

Anderson is at home recovering from surgery for her injuries, which include shrapnel in her chest, a hole through her bottom lip and damage to her front teeth, Ector County Sheriff Mike Griffis said Monday.

Seven people were killed after a gunman went on a shooting spree Saturday that began during a traffic stop in Midland and continued as he drove into Odessa, some 20 miles away. Odessa police confronted him in a movie theater parking lot and killed him in a shootout.

What we know about the West Texas mass shooting

"We hurt so badly for the families whose loved ones didn't survive this tragedy," parents Kelby and Garret Davis said in a statement emailed to CNN later Sunday. "We are thankful for our beautiful baby girl and look forward to reuniting her at home with her twin brother soon."

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said at a press conference Sunday that Anderson's mother had texted him an update about her daughter's condition.

"'Toddlers are funny because they can get shot but still want to run around and play,'" Davis wrote, according to the governor.

Abbott said Davis told him Anderson would have surgery Monday to remove the shrapnel from her chest, fix her lip and mouth and "get a better look at her tongue." The damage to her mouth was "pretty bad," but can be fixed, Abbott said.

On Saturday, a spokesman for University Medical Center in Lubbock told CNN that Anderson was in satisfactory condition after the shooting."

There is something seriously wrong, in the United States, when a 17 month old toddler, gets hit in the mouth by a Mass shooters bullet, while sitting in her child seat, inside of the family vehicle, and some of the pro gun extremists, and some of the Far Right Pro Gun supporters, and apparently, (because I've been watching to see, what the NRA, might say statement wise, because they are so Second Amendment oriented, according to their own statements, in reference to the 17 month old toddler, because, I have seen ZERO commentary from them, via social media?)

Because all of the above appear be acting in a tight lipped manner, maybe in regards to the toddler, so as to avoid any negative social media scrutiny being directed in their directions?

TKDB

@CYDdharta

What's irrelevant about the below?

The NRA, is a major part of the conversation.

How the NRA, uses the Second Amendment to platform their Opinion, is a major part of the conversation.

And how the NRA, like to publicize their conversations in regards to Trump, is a major part of the conversation as well.

So the below is extremely relevant.

From the NRA on Twitter:

"Last week in the Oval Office, President Trump said that he will not allow Americans’ right to self-defense to be swept away on the “slippery slope” of gun control.

7:50 PM · Aug 25, 2019·Twitter Web App "

"It's over. Bye, Gillibrand."

3:20 PM · Aug 29, 2019·Twitter Web App

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Retweets "

TKDB

From others on Twitter, in regards to the NRA, and #2A, or the Second Amendment:

"Ryan Chase

@GunReformRyan

Replying to

I wouldn’t be too smug NRA. We’re about to say the same to you. #Enough #GunReform "

Replying to

and

Felt so good to block em! They are 100% worthless total waste of time! Wish Americans would ignore NRA & otherwise SHUN the whole barrel of rotten apples! How can we speed up their running out of money & power? They deserve to go extinct before all humans shoot each other down!

11:59 PM · Aug 29, 2019·Twitter Web App "

"Phil Luttazi

@phil_luttazi

Replying to

NRA's still fixating on Gillibrand changing her position? Did NRA equally mind when Trump changed his after meeting privately with the NRA soon after the Parkland Massacre? House pass HR8 > 6 months ago? Just wondering...

3:28 PM · Aug 29, 2019 from West Yarmouth, MA·Twitter for Android "

"Common Sense

@RealWorld2018

Replying to

NRA used funds to settle sexual harassment claim against top official

Pretty tough words from a....magazine subscription. Looks like you're not doing too well yourself... How embarrassing! LOL.

salon.com "

TKDB

@CYDdharta

You can label things as a fallacy, or as irrelevant, because your pro gun extremists mindset, is obvious.

The NRA, treating the Second Amendment as its apparent puppet, is publicly obvious.

And the NRA, name dropping Trump in its Tweets, is publicly obvious.

And a 17 month old toddler getting shot in the face, is publicly obvious.

And the city of Odessa Texas, being victimized by a Mass shooters gun violence crime, is publicly obvious.

TKDB

https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/odessa-texas-shooting-gunman-suspect-called-police-fbi-before-rampage-2019-09-02/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ==#aoh=15675130891578&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/odessa-texas-shooting-gunman-suspect-called-police-fbi-before-rampage-2019-09-02/ 

"Texas gunman called both police and FBI before deadly shooting rampage"

"The gunman in a spate of violence after a routine traffic stop in West Texas had just been fired from his job and called both police and the FBI before the shooting began, authorities said Monday. Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said the suspect had been fired over the weekend from Journey Oilfield Services. He said both the gunman and the company called 911 after being fired Saturday, but that suspect was gone by the time police showed up. FBI special agent Christopher Combs said the gunman's statements on the phone were "rambling."

Authorities said the suspect killed seven people and injured at least 22 others Saturday before officers killed him outside a busy movie theater in Odessa. It was at least the 38th mass killing this year. "

"FBI special agent Christopher Combs said the gunman "was on a long spiral down" before the shooting on the day he was fired. He went to work that day "in trouble," Combs said. He said the place where the suspect lived was "a strange residence" and that the condition reflected "what his mental state was going into this."

Online court records show the gunman, identified as 36-year-old Seth Aaron Ator, was arrested in 2001 for a misdemeanor offense that would not have prevented him from legally purchasing firearms in Texas, although authorities have not said where Ator got the "AR style" weapon he used."

A chalk message at a memorial for victims of a mass shooting, at the University of Texas of the Permian Basin (UTPB) on Mon., Sept. 2, 2019, in Odessa, Texas.GETTY

"Texas Governor Greg Abbott tweeted Monday that "we must keep guns out of criminals' hands" — words similar to his remarks that followed another mass shooting in El Paso on August 3, when he said firearms must be kept from "deranged killers." But Abbott, a Republican and avid gun rights supporter, has been noncommittal about tightening Texas gun laws."

"He also tweeted that Ator failed a previous gun background check and didn't go through one for the weapon he used in Odessa. He did not elaborate, and a spokesman referred questions to the Texas Department of Public Safety, which didn't immediately respond for comment."

"Authorities said those killed were between 15 and 57 years old but did not immediately provide a list of names. Family and employers, however, said that among the dead were Edwin Peregrino, 25, who ran out of his parents' home to see what the commotion was; mail carrier Mary Granados, 29, slain in her U.S. Postal Service truck; and 15-year-old high school student Leilah Hernandez, who was walking out of an auto dealership."

"Hundreds of people gathered at a local university in the Permian Basin region known for its oil industry Sunday evening for a prayer vigil to console each other and grieve the loss of life.

"We're out here in the middle of nowhere," Midland Mayor Jerry Morales told the crowd. "All we've talked about is oil forever. And then this happens."

People hold candles at the end of the prayer vigil at the University of Texas of the Permian Basin (UTPB) for the victims of a mass shooting, on Sept. 1, 2019, in Odessa, Texas.GETTY

"Investigators say the rampage began just after 3 p.m. on a west Texas interstate when state troopers tried pulling over a car following reports of a person driving erratically. The driver opened fire with an assault-style rifle — hitting and wounding a trooper — before driving off."

"For nearly two hours, Ator led police on a high-speed chase while firing randomly at people. At one point, he hijacked a mail van, killing Mary Granados, who was working on her postal route."

"Mary's twin sister, Rosie, was on the phone with her when the gunman attacked: "She was screaming for help," she said. "And I did my best to go help her, but I couldn't get there on time."

"Did she say anything to you after you heard the screaming?" CBS News correspondent Begnaud asked.

"No," Granados replied, "because she was already dead."

"I think that he could have taken the car without having to kill her, you know?" she told Begnaud. "He could have taken the car. That's it. That's all he needed. He didn't have to take my sister."

The Second Amendment needs to be amended.

And EVERY gun in the United States needs to be accounted for the legal guns, and the illegal guns.

If it turns out that the gun that Seth Ator, used to murder his victims with was illegal, then the illegal gun dealer, deserves life in prison, for enabling At or, to have his illegal gun.

And another idea, those families, who were affected by the gun violence crimes, suing the Ator family, with a Wrongful Death lawsuit.

And suing the illegal gun dealer, as well with a Wrongful Death lawsuit.

wrong·ful death

adjective

denoting a civil action in which damages are sought against a party for causing a death, typically when criminal action has failed or is not attempted.

John_C_87

The Second Amendment needs to be amended. And EVERY gun in the United States needs to be accounted for the legal guns, and the illegal guns. If it turns out that the gun that Seth Ator, used to murder his victims with was illegal, then the illegal gun dealer, deserves life in prison, for enabling At or, to have his illegal gun. And another idea, those families, who were affected by the gun violence crimes, suing the Ator family, with a Wrongful Death lawsuit. And suing the illegal gun dealer, as well with a Wrongful Death lawsuit.

wrong·ful death

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denoting a civil action in which damages are sought against a party for causing a death, typically when criminal action has failed or is not attempted.

There is no Miranda Right issued on behalf or by a civil lawyer. They are not protected for self-incrimination and participation to crimes. It is a job with great legal risk. The crime of selling lethal force is never proven or attempted sought. The idea of justice sells the burden of blame, and the idea not only the person who undertakes the use of lethal force is to be punished.

Counsel does not represented the American United State held in constitution by the 2nd Amendment. The structure of the obligation to do right is not the same in seeking civil grievance as a independent right TKDB. It is not a lawyers job to explain facts of the 2md Amendment to a jury. There are many things that can be found that hold a person accountable to things that are not a crime.

If the 2nd Amendment needed to be Amended why have all law change been focused on Independence?

TKDB

@CYDdharta

The only statement that you can come up with, is your fallacy symbol?

You argue just like the NRA does, with one sided Opinion pushing.

The NRA has turned to Twitter, the Second Amendment, and name dropping Trumps name, to do its Social media pro gun arguing with?

While you rely, on the "Irreverent, and Fallacy," symbols to do you pro gun arguing with?

Are you, maybe both pro gun, in the faces of both Family safety, and Public safety, in the United States?

I'm trying to educate myself on where your pro gun mindset resides?

Is your pro gun mindset, also, pro family safety, and pro Public safety oriented as well, when it comes to the gun owners, who used their legal, and illegal guns, to kill Police Officers, kids, and students, parents, and senior citizens with?

Where does your individual argument, reside?

I'm pro family, and pro Public safety, in the face of the NRA, the pro gun extremists, and the Far Right Pro Gun, supporters.

Because, I get the impression, that some are pro gun oriented, and aren't wasting their mindful energy, on being pro family oriented, or pro Public safety oriented, because of some and their individual pro gun views, being platformed on how they utilize the Second Amendment, as its sadly, and currently written?

Who knew that the Second Amendment, could used as the Political bargaining chip, that it has become?

CYDdharta

TKDB said:

@CYDdharta

The only statement that you can come up with, is your fallacy symbol?

You argue just like the NRA does, with one sided Opinion pushing.

The NRA has turned to Twitter, the Second Amendment, and name dropping Trumps name, to do its Social media pro gun arguing with?

While you rely, on the "Irreverent, and Fallacy," symbols to do you pro gun arguing with?

Are you, maybe both pro gun, in the faces of both Family safety, and Public safety, in the United States?

I'm trying to educate myself on where your pro gun mindset resides?

Is your pro gun mindset, also, pro family safety, and pro Public safety oriented as well, when it comes to the gun owners, who used their legal, and illegal guns, to kill Police Officers, kids, and students, parents, and senior citizens with?

Where does your individual argument, reside?

I'm pro family, and pro Public safety, in the face of the NRA, the pro gun extremists, and the Far Right Pro Gun, supporters.

Because, I get the impression, that some are pro gun oriented, and aren't wasting their mindful energy, on being pro family oriented, or pro Public safety oriented, because of some and their individual pro gun views, being platformed on how they utilize the Second Amendment, as its sadly, and currently written?

Who knew that the Second Amendment, could used as the Political bargaining chip, that it has become?

Right, who knew that the Second Amendment, could used as the Political bargaining chip, that it has become? I did, of course. The billionaires far outspend the NRA on lobbying.

Soros Spends Nearly $9 Million Lobbying, Now Targets Guns

Liberal billionaire George Soros's advocacy organizations are lobbying lawmakers on Capitol Hill to repeal an act protecting firearms manufacturers from liability for gun crimes including murder, disclosure forms show.

The Open Society Policy Center is Soros's D.C.-based 501(c)4 nonprofit that works on domestic and international advocacy and is affiliated with the much larger Open Society Foundations. The center has poured nearly $9 million into lobbying a range of issues so far this year.

Soros's group reported spending $2.6 million on lobbying throughout the first quarter, covering international, military, and appropriations issues. In addition, the center moved into gun control advocacy and reported lobbying on "issues related to a bill to repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act."

https://freebeacon.com/politics/soros-spends-nearly-9-million-lobbying-now-targets-guns/?utm_source=Freedom+Mail&utm_campaign=3df3c1786b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_09_02_05_25_COPY_235&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b5e6e0e9ea-3df3c1786b-46217517

TKDB

They sure do seem, to enjoy self publicizing their pro gun stance via Twitter?

The NRA on Twitter today:

"It is shameful to see

@Walmart

succumb to the pressure of the anti-gun elites. Lines at Walmart will soon be replaced by lines at other retailers who are more supportive of America’s fundamental freedoms." Read

's statement on Walmart's decision here:

3:33 PM · Sep 3, 2019·Twitter Web App "

What I'm curious about is this, does the NRA have its own, NRA news media outlet reporter?

Did they reach out to Wal-Mart, and do an interview with Wal-Mart, and the above post statement, is a direct reflection, of what maybe, Wal-Mart said to the NRA, thus resulting in the Twitter statement from the NRA?

TKDB

@CYDdharta

So this is your apparent counter argument soundbite?

"Right, who knew that the Second Amendment, could used as the Political bargaining chip, that it has become? I did, of course. The billionaires far outspend the NRA on lobbying."

Where's your REAL, pro counter gun argument at @CYDdharta?

The only statement that you can come up with, is your fallacy symbol?

You argue just like the NRA does, with one sided Opinion pushing.

The NRA has turned to Twitter, the Second Amendment, and name dropping Trumps name, to do its Social media pro gun arguing with?

While you rely, on the "Irreverent, and Fallacy," symbols to do you pro gun arguing with?

Are you, maybe both pro gun, in the faces of both Family safety, and Public safety, in the United States?

I'm trying to educate myself on where your pro gun mindset resides?

Is your pro gun mindset, also, pro family safety, and pro Public safety oriented as well, when it comes to the gun owners, who used their legal, and illegal guns, to kill Police Officers, kids, and students, parents, and senior citizens with?

Where does your individual argument, reside?

I'm pro family, and pro Public safety, in the face of the NRA, the pro gun extremists, and the Far Right Pro Gun, supporters.

Because, I get the impression, that some are pro gun oriented, and aren't wasting their mindful energy, on being pro family oriented, or pro Public safety oriented, because of some and their individual pro gun views, being platformed on how they utilize the Second Amendment, as its sadly, and currently written?

CYDdharta

TKDB said:

@CYDdharta

So this is your apparent counter argument soundbite?

"Right, who knew that the Second Amendment, could used as the Political bargaining chip, that it has become? I did, of course. The billionaires far outspend the NRA on lobbying."

Where's your REAL, pro counter gun argument at @CYDdharta?

The only statement that you can come up with, is your fallacy symbol?

You argue just like the NRA does, with one sided Opinion pushing.

The NRA has turned to Twitter, the Second Amendment, and name dropping Trumps name, to do its Social media pro gun arguing with?

While you rely, on the "Irreverent, and Fallacy," symbols to do you pro gun arguing with?

Are you, maybe both pro gun, in the faces of both Family safety, and Public safety, in the United States?

I'm trying to educate myself on where your pro gun mindset resides?

Is your pro gun mindset, also, pro family safety, and pro Public safety oriented as well, when it comes to the gun owners, who used their legal, and illegal guns, to kill Police Officers, kids, and students, parents, and senior citizens with?

Where does your individual argument, reside?

I'm pro family, and pro Public safety, in the face of the NRA, the pro gun extremists, and the Far Right Pro Gun, supporters.

Because, I get the impression, that some are pro gun oriented, and aren't wasting their mindful energy, on being pro family oriented, or pro Public safety oriented, because of some and their individual pro gun views, being platformed on how they utilize the Second Amendment, as its sadly, and currently written?

If you want to be educated on my positions, all you have to do is go back and actually read what I've already posted. You haven't come up with any new arguments or positions, just rehashed the same crap you've been posting here for years.

TKDB

@CYDdharta

You've educated me plenty with your pro gun extremist rhetoric.

"If you want to be educated on my positions, all you have to do is go back and actually read what I've already posted. You haven't come up with any new arguments or positions, just rehashed the same crap you've been posting here for years."

@CYDdharta, I know, what you know, you're a pro gun extremist, who loves your guns, like some who love their kids, their families, and their communities, more than some love their own guns right?

Like some who love their illegal guns, more, than they love their own kids, or their own families, or their own communities?

Gun violence crimes, happen everyday in the United States, IE, California, Michigan, Chicago, and New Orleans?

And there isn't anything new argument wise, position wise, or opinion wise about that, is there, except that the Second Amendment, as it's currently written, is failing, the millions of families, and the Public safety of the entire country as a whole, isn't it?
(That's a new argument, @CYDdharta) ;

Now the NRA, like you, are making a name for themselves, via the Internet?

"You haven't come up with any new arguments or positions, just rehashed the same crap you've been posting here for years."

Have you known me for years?

How well do you know me @CYDdharta?

Where are your new arguments, positions, or new Opinions @CYDdharta?

Are you going to borrow some new material from @Vaulk?

From the @NRA?

From @MayCaesar

From @ZuesAres42?

TKDB

More of the NRA, on Twitter today:

@Vaulk

@CYDdharta

@ZeusAres42

@MayCaesar

http://bit.ly/AntiGunWalmart #walmart

"The truth is

@Walmart

’s actions today will not make us any safer. Rather than place the blame on the criminal, Walmart has chosen to victimize law-abiding Americans."

5:37 PM · Sep 3, 2019·Twitter Web App "

Look at the Publicity Seekers, the NRA, pulling an NRA attention seeking move?

Is Walmart, wrong for what they've chosen to do?

@NRA

@Vaulk

@CYDdharta

When are the three of you, going to begin your PUBLIC protest of Walmart, to have it carried live, via Twitter, or the other Social media websites?

TKDB

From CNN, on Twitter:

"CNN

@CNN

The West Texas man who killed seven people and wounded 25 in a shooting rampage bought his gun in a private sale, which doesn't require a background check, a law enforcement official told CNN

West Texas shooter bought gun in private sale

cnn.com

7:51 PM · Sep 3, 2019·SocialFlow "

The truth about the 400 million guns in the country, the legal guns, and the illegal guns, continue to shed light, on the GUN problem, in the United States, that are taking innocent citizens lives day after day?

My position, I'm pro family, and pro Public safety, in the face of the overall gun violence crimes, that have been plaguing the U.S. for years now.

Vaulk

@TKDB

If you're pro-family and pro-public safety, then what's your stance and tackle for the number one cause of deaths for children under the age of 15?

TKDB

From Fox News:

@CYDdharta

Look at this article, it looks like Alyssa Milano is braver than you are?

Here's your question:

"And once again, how would you get criminals, who are already prohibited from owning a gun of any sort, to legally account for their weapons and admit they're breaking the law?"

She's willing to debate Ted Cruz in a Public conversation?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ted-cruz-alyssa-milano-gun-violence

"Ted Cruz, Alyssa Milano agree to meet, discuss gun violence after Odessa shooting"

"It appears that Texas Sen. Ted Cruz will meet with liberal actress Alyssa Milano to discuss gun violence after the two of them feuded on Twitterfollowing last weekend's deadly gun rampage in Odessa."

"The clash began on Sunday. That's when Milano responded to state Rep. Matt Shaefer's suggestion that owning a gun is a "God-given right," asking the Republican legislator, "Can someone cite which passage of the Bible God states it is a god-given right to own a gun?"

Cruz called it an "excellent" question and began by pointing to the "right to Life & the right to Liberty" and went on to cite a Bible verse."

CHICAGO MAYOR CLASHES WITH CRUZ OVER GUN VIOLENCE: 'KEEP OUR NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH'

Ted Cruz
✔@tedcruz
· Sep 1, 2019

An excellent Q, worth considering carefully w/o the snark of Twitter. It is of course not the right to a modern-day firearm that is God-give but rather the right to Life & the right to Liberty. Essential to that right to life is the right to DEFEND your life & your family. 1/x https://twitter.com/alyssa_milano/status/1168293913825693697 …

Alyssa Milano

✔@Alyssa_Milano

Can someone cite which passage of the Bible God states it is a god-given right to own a gun? This guy is unbelievable and is clearly owned by the gun lobby. #NoRA

https://twitter.com/repmattschaefer/status/1167989249745899521

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Ted Cruz
✔@tedcruz

2/x The right to self-defense is recognized repeatedly in the Bible, eg Exodus 22:2: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night & is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.” (Note, though, verse 3 says it IS murder if during daylight (ie, not self-defense).

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"The right to self-defense is recognized repeatedly in the Bible," Cruz wrote, for example, "Exodus 22:2: 'If a thief is caught breaking in at night & is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.' (Note, though, Verse 3 says it IS murder if during daylight (ie, not self-defense)."

Pointing to the "unalienable rights" of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" within the Declaration of Independence, Cruz said it is "for that reason that the Second Amendment safeguards the right to keep and bear arms.

TED CRUZ, AOC UNITE FOR 'SUPER-BIZARRE' LEGISLATIVE ALLIANCE

"Playing politics w/ these deranged crimes — and trying to use them as an excuse to violate the constl [sic] rights of law-abiding citizens — won’t make anybody safer," Cruz concluded in a Twitter thread. "Forcible gun confiscation (as some 2020 Dems urge) won’t prevent mass-murders. But it would weaken our self-defense."

On Monday, Milano floated the idea of meeting with the Texas senator to discuss the "gun issue," among other topics, noting that she would be in Washington next week.

Alyssa Milano
✔@Alyssa_Milano

I’d love to come in and meet with you on the gun issue and many other issues that include life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, @tedcruz and also, 1 Peter 4:8.

I’ll be in DC next week. We can live-stream the meeting so the American people can hear your rhetoric 1st hand. https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1168310869425577989 …

Ted Cruz

✔@tedcruz

An excellent Q, worth considering carefully w/o the snark of Twitter. It is of course not the right to a modern-day firearm that is God-give but rather the right to Life & the right to Liberty. Essential to that right to life is the right to DEFEND your life & your family. 1/x

https://twitter.com/alyssa_milano/status/1168293913825693697

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"I’d love to come in and meet with you on the gun issue and many other issues that include life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... We can live-stream the meeting so the American people can hear your rhetoric 1st hand," Milano wrote, adding she'd like to talk about 1 Peter 4:8, which says: "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."

Odessa authorities search for motive following deadly rampage in Texas

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Cruz accepted the offer.

Ted Cruz
✔@tedcruz

I’d be happy to sit down & visit next week about uniting to stop gun violence & about the Constitution. If we can have a civil & positive conversation—in the spirit of 1 Peter 4:8 as you suggest—despite our political differences, that might help resolve the discord in our Nation. https://twitter.com/alyssa_milano/status/1168397523951579136 …

Alyssa Milano

✔@Alyssa_Milano

I’d love to come in and meet with you on the gun issue and many other issues that include life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, @tedcruz and also, 1 Peter 4:8.

I’ll be in DC next week. We can live-stream the meeting so the American people can hear your 1st hand.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1168310869425577989

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"I’d be happy to sit down & visit next week about uniting to stop gun violence & about the Constitution," Cruz responded. "If we can have a civil & positive conversation -- in the spirit of 1 Peter 4:8 as you suggest -- despite our political differences, that might help resolve the discord in our Nation."

Fox News' Caleb Parke contributed to this report.

Joseph A. Wulfsohn is a media reporter for Fox News. Follow him on Twitter @JosephWulfsoh "

@CYDdharta, are you going to check out this Public debate between Cruz, and Milano?

I will be, and I wonder, if the NRA, and the rest of the pro gun extremists might be as well?

TKDB

From Wal-Mart on Twitter:

Along with the opinions of others, in regards to Wal-Mart's remarks.

Walmart Inc.

@WalmartInc

We’ve been working to understand the many important issues arising from the horrific events in El Paso and Southaven, as well as those raised in the national discussion around gun violence. Today, we’re sharing some next steps: http://walmrt.us/2MRYiBJ

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Please do not punish the majority to settle for the few!!! We "the law abiding citizens" deserve better!!

Please rethink this with common sense not unresolved emotion!!

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How are you being “punished,” Mary?

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I own guns, handguns and shotguns, there's literally no shortage in stores that sell ammo. I've had background checks, training, safety courses something I think should be required for all gun owners. There no reason to own an AR15 other than wanting one

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Criminals will still carry is stores. Just like anywhere else. This will not change anything. Only the law abiding citizens will suffer now.

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When gun owners are more concerned about their ammo than the safety of the people... really gives you a perspective of who these people are

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I use ammo for my safety, my families safety and those around me tho..

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How many times have you really used ammo to defend your family?

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1 time is too many Dan. Responsible gun owners hope it never comes to that."

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thank you for taking these common sense steps to make us all feel safer. I come from a family that hunts. I raise & train hunting retrievers. I agree with everything you are doing & will proudly (& safely) shop at your stores. Thank you for putting people first.

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I'm feeling exactly the opposite of safe. Walmart just gave the green light to psychos everywhere to come to otheir stores because no one is armed.

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Um, i hate to point it out to you , but being armed an open carry state the El Paso tragedy didn’t work very well.

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Both sides of the Gun Violence crimes, conversation.

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https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/03/business/walmart-ends-handgun-ammo-sales/index.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ==#aoh=15675601221287&amp_ct=1567560343216&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/03/business/walmart-ends-handgun-ammo-sales/index.html

"Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores"

By Nathaniel Meyersohn, CNN Business

Updated 4:57 PM EDT, Tue September 03, 2019

"New York(CNN Business)Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.

The company, America's largest retailer, said it will stop selling handgun ammunition and "short-barrel rifle ammunition," such as the .223 caliber and 5.56 caliber, that can also be used on assault-style weapons after selling all of its current inventory. Walmart (WMT) will also stop selling handguns in Alaska, the only state where it still sells handguns. And Walmart will request that customers no longer openly carry guns into its 4,700 US stores, or its Sam's Club stores, in states that allow open carry.

"It's clear to us that the status quo is unacceptable," Walmart CEO Doug McMillon said in a memo to employees on Tuesday.

However, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. The company sells guns in about 3,900 stores. Walmart will also continue to allow concealed carry by customers with permits in its stores.

McMillon said Walmart's changes were prompted by the El Paso, Texas, shooting, as well as recent mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and Midland and Odessa, Texas.

The measured steps announced Tuesday are the latest changes Walmart has made to its gun policies in recent years as mass shootings continue in America.

Walmart attempted again to balance customers who own guns and are "part of our customer base" with safety in stores, Dan Bartlett, Walmart executive vice president of corporate affairs, said on a call with reporters.

"We feel like we are striking a responsible balance between the interests of law-abiding citizens who are exercising their legal rights and the safety concerns of our associates and customers," he said.

Walmart represents about 2% of the market for guns today, the company said for the first time recently. Walmart believes it is not among the top three gun sellers in the industry, but it estimates it has about a 20% market share of ammunition sales.

On Tuesday, McMillon said that Walmart's changes to ammunition policies will reduce its market share from around 20% to between 6% and 9%. "We believe it will likely drift toward the lower end of that range, over time, given the combination of these changes," he said.

McMillion, who said he was a gun owner himself, took pains to avoid alienating customers.

"We will treat law-abiding customers with respect, and we will have a very non-confrontational approach," he said. "Our remaining assortment will be even more focused on the needs of hunting and sport shooting enthusiasts."

In addition, McMillon said that he would send letters to the White House and congressional leaders that "call for action" on "common sense" gun safety measures. McMillon said Congress should debate re-authorizing the assault weapons ban and expand background checks.

"We encourage our nation's leaders to move forward and strengthen background checks and to remove weapons from those who have been determined to pose an imminent danger," he said. "Congress and the administration should act. Given our decades of experience selling firearms, we are also offering to serve as a resource in the national debate on responsible gun sales."

Spurred by El Paso shooting

On August 3, a Walmart in El Paso was the scene of one of the worst mass shootings in American history. Federal investigators are treating the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism.

In the wake of the shooting, Walmart has faced enormous pressure to remove firearms from its physical stores and criticized for selling pro-gun T-shirts on its website. Several Democratic candidates for president have called on Walmart to stop selling guns at its stores. America's largest teachers' union, The American Federation of Teachers, and gun safety groups have pressed the retailer to end its gun sales.

Walmart previously pulled displays of violent video games in its stores and also removed about 1,000 third-party items from its website.

Despite its history of selling hunting weapons that goes back to Walmart's origins, Walmart has shifted its gun policies. It stopped selling assault rifles in 2015 and raised its minimum gun purchasing age to 21 last year after the Parkland, Florida, shooting. Walmart also stopped selling handguns in every state but Alaska in the mid-1990s and only sells a firearm to customers after receiving a "green light" on a background check.

"We understand that heritage, our deeply rooted place in America and our influence as the world's largest retailer. And we understand the responsibility that comes with it," McMillon said."

CYDdharta

TKDB said:

@CYDdharta, are you going to check out this Public debate between Cruz, and Milano?

I will be, and I wonder, if the NRA, and the rest of the pro gun extremists might be as well?

Milano is an , she'll be crushed. It'll be fun to watch.

TKDB

@CYDdharta

I think that Cruz, and the NRA, are going to gain plenty of negative comments, and commentary.

Milano's words, have been reiterated over and over again, by some of the pro family, pro Public safety crowd, via their own words.

You can easily call her names, but the truth is, calling anyone negative names is easy to do?

"Milano is an , she'll be crushed. It'll be fun to watch."

And I respect her integrity, and how she's not looking the other way, when it comes to the gun violence crimes, that have affected the lives of Police Officers, toddlers, kids, teenagers, students, parents, and senior citizens, because of the Mass shooters, gun violence crimes, and the gun violence crimes, in general.

Dee

Does the Second Amendment, belong to the Citizens of the United States?

Americans claim to be an 85 per cent Christian nation who honestly believe if Jesus walked the earth again he would support carrying a gun.

Americans tell everyone how wonderful their country is and how safe it is yet hypocritically in the next breath say they need a gun for home protection ( house alarms apparently don’t work in the U S) apparently criminals now get guns to break into houses in the U S to hold up the sleeping citizens and make off with their lap tops and wallets purses etc , etc , proving the stupidity and lack of inventiveness by criminals in the U S.

American schools need armed guards to protect their children and one cannot walk the streets without carrying a piece , what a f.cked up society yet denialism is all one hears as you’re told in one breath “we need our guns for protection “ and when challenged on this they suddenly deny the violence of their own society.

Foreigners are warned on flights to the U S of the dangers one faces regards guns in the U S it is rated a disgraceful 121st in world peace rankings and justifiably so

CYDdharta

Dee said:

Does the Second Amendment, belong to the Citizens of the United States?

Americans claim to be an 85 per cent Christian nation who honestly believe if Jesus walked the earth again he would support carrying a gun.
Americans tell everyone how wonderful their country is and how safe it is yet hypocritically in the next breath say they need a gun for home protection ( house alarms apparently don’t work in the U S) apparently criminals now get guns to break into houses in the U S to hold up the sleeping citizens and make off with their lap tops and wallets purses etc , etc , proving the stupidity and lack of inventiveness by criminals in the U S.
American schools need armed guards to protect their children and one cannot walk the streets without carrying a piece , what a f.cked up society yet denialism is all one hears as you’re told in one breath “we need our guns for protection “ and when challenged on this they suddenly deny the violence of their own society.
Foreigners are warned on flights to the U S of the dangers one faces regards guns in the U S it is rated a disgraceful 121st in world peace rankings and justifiably so

World peace rankings??? The size of our nuclear arsenal is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.

TKDB

@CYDdharta

What are you talking about?

Where was a nuclear arsenal talked about?

Here are her word's:

"Foreigners are warned on flights to the U S of the dangers one faces regards guns in the U S it is rated a disgraceful 121st in world peace rankings and justifiably so.

And here is your summation?

"World peace rankings??? The size of our nuclear arsenal is entirely irrelevant to this discussion."

How is your Nuclear Arsenal comment relevant to the discussion?

John_C_87

Does the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution belong to the people?
No, it is not they are given a choice to bear the wait of lethal force equally with those in the world who may do them harm. I would label the actions of mass shootings as terrorism but in basic principle the crime that is taking place is espionage.

An illegal united state is being created, in basic principle the state of the union is illegal because it is centered around the wrong use of lethal force as the simplest principle and it is not mentioned in the in the introduction of truth for law as evidence that is top be sought.

"Foreigners are warned on flights to the U S of the dangers one faces regards guns in the U S it is rated a disgraceful 121st in world peace rankings and justifiably so.
In basic principle the united state that creates the rating is same as what dictates the united state of lethal force for gun ownership. It is the worlds inability to display a United State Constitution which puts them at rick in the first place. I would argue that the political sale of democracy and not bearing of United State Constitution have created the rating. By the way I believe your number of 121st is low and not high, but is still unjustified for the lack of common defense to the general welfare.

Dee

@CYDdharta

There are a total of 23 indicators used to compile this list. These indicators are split across three different categories: militarization, safety and security, and domestic and international conflict.

TKDB

More Gun violence crime:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-teenager-shoots-dead-five-110419955.html

(Reuters) - A 14-year-old American boy shot and killed five family members at their home in Alabama, before throwing away the pistol and calling police, officials said on Tuesday, in the latest high-profile gun crime.

"The shooting occurred on Monday night in the town of Elkmont, a spokesman for the Limestone County Sheriff's Office told media, including an ABC affiliate.

The sheriff's office said five people were shot, with three dying at the scene and two later in hospital. "The 14-year old caller was interviewed and confessed to shooting all five members of his family in the residence," it said on Twitter.

"He is currently assisting investigators in locating the weapon, a 9mm handgun that he said he tossed nearby."

Last month, a gunman killed 22 people and wounded another 24 in El Paso, Texas, while another assailant killed nine and injured 27 in Dayton, Ohio. Amid renewed national debate, President Donald Trump said at the weekend background checks on gun purchasers would not have prevented recent violence.

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It was unclear where the teenager obtained the gun.

The killings follow a rash of mass shootings in the United States, including a weekend one in Texas that left seven people dead and 22 wounded, including a toddler.

Last month, a gunman killed 22 people and wounded another 24 in El Paso, Texas, while another assailant killed nine and injured 27 in Dayton, Ohio.

Amid renewed national debate, President Donald Trump said at the weekend background checks on gun purchasers would not have prevented recent violence."

Now we have a teenage mass shooter, in the news?

@CYDdharta

@MayCaesar

@ZuesAres42

I wonder who the pro gun extremists, or the pro gun supporters, or the Far Right Pro Gun supporters crowd, or the non gun owning supporters, might lend support to?

The (Gun) used to kill the family members with, or the (teenager?)

CYDdharta

Dee said:

@CYDdharta

There are a total of 23 indicators used to compile this list. These indicators are split across three different categories: militarization, safety and security, and domestic and international conflict.

Most of those indicators are irrelevant, safety and security are the only two categories pertinent to this discussion.

And @TKDB, since you lack the ability to make rational posts and actually debate your positions, I have you on ignore.

TKDB

@CYDdharta

You need to pay the NRA more, to teach you how to argue.

Because you're pro gun extremists lip service, is sad, and tragic.

"And @TKDB, since you lack the ability to make rational posts and actually debate your positions, I have you on ignore."

Your silence, speaks to your ethics.,

@CYDdharta

I wonder who the pro gun extremists, or the pro gun supporters, or the Far Right Pro Gun supporters crowd, or the non gun owning supporters, might lend support to?

The (Gun) used to kill the family members with, or the (teenager?)

TKDB

The Truth, the pro gun extremist crowds, are afraid to have an outright, fair, and equal debate.

They've taken up a defensive position behind the Second Amendment, and are using it as their own personal talking head puppet.

They refuse to debate over the guns that have been used to kill people, because it would be hypocritical to defend the same AR-15 assault rifles that some of the the Mass shooters, used to murder, their victims with?

Reason being, being there is the likely chance, that some of the pro gun extremist in the United States, own the very same model of said assault rifle, in their very own homes?

How does a legal gun owner get upset over a situation, if their guns haven't killed someone outside of self defense, of themselves, and their own property?

How does a legal gun owner develop a negative mindset if they haven't done anything wrong?

Has the Government, made any PUBLIC statements, saying that they are going to take the legal gun owner's guns away?

Nope, I think that TWITTER, would have been glowing with all sorts of expressed opinions, if that were to be the case, now wouldn't it?

To the pro gun extremist, and the Far Right Pro Gun supporter crowd, your arguments, seem, a tad paranoid, don't they?

To the pro gun extremist crowd, to the NRA, and to the Far Right, Pro Gun crowd supporters, your irrational logic doesn't make any sense, but you don't hesitate AT ALL, to use the the Second Amendment, as its currently written, and Twitter, to sound off, on how you feel about your right to bear arms being infringed on by ANYONE??

Tell me something, EXACTLY who does the NRA, the pro gun extremist, and the Far Right Pro Gun supporters crowd, want the rest of the PUBLIC to be scared, or fearful of?

Is there any internet chatter, that is suggesting that the rest of the PUBLIC, has someone or something to fear, when it comes to the Second Amendment, because the pro gun extremist, or the Far Right Pro Gun supporters, says so?

Nope, no Internet chatter, whatsoever?

I'm waiting to HEAR what that pro gun extremist fear-mongering is comprised of?

"The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the individual right to keep and bear arms.[1][2][a] It was ratified on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.[3][4][5] "

The Second Amendment, doesn't give the illegal gun owner, the right to bear arms does it?

The Second Amendment, doesn't give the illegal gun owner, the right to kill innocent people, now does it?

The Second Amendment, also didn't, give those legal gun owners, the right to kill people, via their Mass Shooting crimes, now either, did it?

Your collective argument is thin.

Dee

@CYDdharta

Most of those indicators are irrelevant, safety and security are the only two categories pertinent to this discussion

Nonsense , even if that was the case is the safety and security of citizens not enough?

CYDdharta

Dee said:

@CYDdharta

Nonsense , even if that was the case is the safety and security of citizens not enough?

You can if you want to, but A] that completely changes rankings and the US's position in the rankings, and B] even that includes things like violent demonstrations which are pretty much strictly the domain of the left, groups like ANTIFA and BLM, so it's utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

TKDB

@CYDdharta

The Truth, the pro gun extremist crowds, are afraid to have an outright, fair, and equal debate.

They've taken up a defensive position behind the Second Amendment, and are using it as their own personal talking head puppet.

They refuse to debate over the guns that have been used to kill people, because it would be hypocritical to defend the same AR-15 assault rifles that some of the the Mass shooters, used to murder, their victims with?

Reason being, being there is the likely chance, that some of the pro gun extremist in the United States, own the very same model of said assault rifle, in their very own homes?

How does a legal gun owner get upset over a situation, if their guns haven't killed someone outside of self defense, of themselves, and their own property?

How does a legal gun owner develop a negative mindset if they haven't done anything wrong?

Has the Government, made any PUBLIC statements, saying that they are going to take the legal gun owner's guns away?

Nope, I think that TWITTER, would have been glowing with all sorts of expressed opinions, if that were to be the case, now wouldn't it?

To the pro gun extremist, and the Far Right Pro Gun supporter crowd, your arguments, seem, a tad paranoid, don't they?

To the pro gun extremist crowd, to the NRA, and to the Far Right, Pro Gun crowd supporters, your irrational logic doesn't make any sense, but you don't hesitate AT ALL, to use the the Second Amendment, as its currently written, and Twitter, to sound off, on how you feel about your right to bear arms being infringed on by ANYONE??

Tell me something, EXACTLY who does the NRA, the pro gun extremist, and the Far Right Pro Gun supporters crowd, want the rest of the PUBLIC to be scared, or fearful of?

Is there any internet chatter, that is suggesting that the rest of the PUBLIC, has someone or something to fear, when it comes to the Second Amendment, because the pro gun extremist, or the Far Right Pro Gun supporters, says so?

Nope, no Internet chatter, whatsoever?

I'm waiting to HEAR what that pro gun extremist fear-mongering is comprised of?

"The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the individual right to keep and bear arms.[1][2][a] It was ratified on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.[3][4][5] "

The Second Amendment, doesn't give the illegal gun owner, the right to bear arms does it?

The Second Amendment, doesn't give the illegal gun owner, the right to kill innocent people, now does it?

The Second Amendment, also didn't, give those legal gun owners, the right to kill people, via their Mass Shooting crimes, now either, did it?

Your collective argument is thin.

TKDB

@Vaulk

@CYDdharta

The NRA, is not the fabric of the American society.

The Public as a whole is.

There are real victims of terrorism – ask those who lost someone in 9/11.

is the fabric of American society. We are teachers, doctors, cops, and everyone who fights for America's freedoms. San Fran should be ashamed.

members: Show them who you are! Tweet #IAmTheNRA "

I'm beginning to think that the NRA, might be a tad vain?

TKDB

From the NRA on Twitter today, along with more of the Public, expressing themselves from both sides of the Guns conversation.

There are a plethora of examples of how the NRA, is being defended, and how the rest of the Public, isn't of the same view, or views, that the NRA, goes about apparently, publicizing?

Twitter, is just as educational as the NRA itself, and just as educational, as the Mass shooter gun violence crime statistics are?

Along with the other Gun violence crime statistics, that are archived day, after week, after month, after year.

I'm pro family, and pro Public safety in the face of the Second Amendment, as it currently written.

The Public overall, deserves, formal, fair, civil, and, equal representation from the Second Amendment. When it comes to the legal guns, and the illegal guns, that have been used to victimize, the overall Public, for decades now.

Did you know Superman is an

member?

@RealDeanCain

is a strong protector of #2A. "If someone breaks [in], I'm going to call 911. Until the police get here, my house, my family, my loved ones – we're on our own, and we're going to be just fine because we are NRA." #IAmTheNRA "

San Fran lawmakers “loathe the

You Can’t Call People Terrorists Just for Having Different Viewpoints

and vehemently oppose their views on the 2nd Amendment and the right to own a gun. They’re free to have those views, but they do not have the authority to declare someone else a terrorist for having that different view.”

nationalreview.com

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In fact the NRA is a victim of defamation or libel, and San Francisco is now obligated to make restitution for the harm they have caused. They committed a crime, and the NRA is their victim.

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But it’s perfectly acceptable to bully teenage survivors of a high school shooting by calling them “crisis actors.”

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NRA Life is a great LIFE...! (

MERICA)

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And just like that all nra members would be red and without their legal property , no due process

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It goes both ways!

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I'm certain the designation would not hold up in court.

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I know I'm not a terrorist because I believe in the 2nd. So I'll just call myself a Rebel.

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OK, get with the legal department and fire-up the class-action suit on behalf of members.

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It’s not about NRA’s views it’s about their actions.

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Well done, San Fran!

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sue them

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In America, the Law Abiding Gun Owner is the good guy & the Violent Armed Criminal is the bad guy. Yet, in Marxist Socialist Countries, the only ones Armed are the Bad Guys that runs the Country into the ground and murder the unarmed Good Guys when they speak against them.

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Maybe those council members should take to the streets and ask the homeless if they would rather: (1) have food, clothes, and housing, or (2) have their council declare the NRA a terrorist organization. I’m betting low and middle income families in San Fran don’t care about guns.

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It's all self-righteousness garbage. Look at what Walmart did yesterday. They could have removed all the "dangerous" ammo from their stores but instead they decided to sell what they had first. It's not "dangerous" today but tomorrow it is?

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It's about gun confiscation.

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Absolutely right

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It’s not just SF

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and it also means we dont have to spend any of our money in San Francisco...

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With the implementation of red flag laws...they could conceivably label any member a "terrorist" and confiscate their property ie. Guns! WITHOUT DUE PROCESS !! THIS is illegal! #IAmTheNRA

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Don't think changing definitions is new. This is the danger of it. Instead of Auschwitz being a labor camp, it was a death camp. That's the gate to Auschwitz. The heading reads "Work Sets You Free". This is a recent lesson of history. #Nazi #WWII #ConcentrationCamps

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But if one of them is holding a gun in front of me and telling me I'm wrong. That's going to cause a panic from the ppl around BECAUSE they see a man yelling while holding a gun. If they don't agree and that shoots the other guy. Now what. MURDER.

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