Why did Elohim create the Heavens and the Earth, the human genome?

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Citations from a book do not constitute an argument. Make a strong argument for why what is in the book is an accurate description of reality.

As for how I know that there is a reality... "Cogito, ergo sum". If there is "I", then, by definition, there is a reality. And if there is no "I", then your question makes no sense.

I also wonder how you manage to get out of bed every morning, given that "god" has never explained to you how to do so. Care to explain this one?

1) I disagree...most premise preps emanate for a "book" that has conveyed some form of knowledge that the recipient considers questionable. The Bible is accurate because it has prevailed as the consummate mind of Elohim and has never been proven otherwise. It's eschatology is beyond the mind of man and has proven infallible.

2) Where did your "reality" find its genesis?

3) I exit the bed because Elohim has provided the wherewithal, to both his human creation and the animal kingdom, the ability and desire to pursue life. This is innate, May.

Your argument comes down to "the book is accurate because it has endured the time and has never been proven otherwise". That is nonsense. The validity of a statement is not determined by how long it has been around or whether someone has proven it to be false - it is determined by logical underpinning of it. And you have provided none.

Your second question is absurd. It is impossible to talk about something preceding reality from within that reality. Reality cannot have "genesis" any more than sequence 1, 2, 3, 4, ... can have the last member. If you want to talk about the "last number" of the sequence of positive integer numbers, you have to go outside the scope of integer numbers - and if your existence is confined to them, then there is no "last number" in principle.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Citations from a book do not constitute an argument. Make a strong argument for why what is in the book is an accurate description of reality.

As for how I know that there is a reality... "Cogito, ergo sum". If there is "I", then, by definition, there is a reality. And if there is no "I", then your question makes no sense.

I also wonder how you manage to get out of bed every morning, given that "god" has never explained to you how to do so. Care to explain this one?

1) I disagree...most premise preps emanate for a "book" that has conveyed some form of knowledge that the recipient considers questionable. The Bible is accurate because it has prevailed as the consummate mind of Elohim and has never been proven otherwise. It's eschatology is beyond the mind of man and has proven infallible.

2) Where did your "reality" find its genesis?

3) I exit the bed because Elohim has provided the wherewithal, to both his human creation and the animal kingdom, the ability and desire to pursue life. This is innate, May.

Your argument comes down to "the book is accurate because it has endured the time and has never been proven otherwise". That is nonsense. The validity of a statement is not determined by how long it has been around or whether someone has proven it to be false - it is determined by logical underpinning of it. And you have provided none.

Your second question is absurd. It is impossible to talk about something preceding reality from within that reality. Reality cannot have "genesis" any more than sequence 1, 2, 3, 4, ... can have the last member. If you want to talk about the "last number" of the sequence of positive integer numbers, you have to go outside the scope of integer numbers - and if your existence is confined to them, then there is no "last number" in principle.

@MayCaesar ;  1) Well May, the Book is before you, its contents have stood the test of time though millions have attempted to nullify its words, many of them were "converts" in the process and none have yet to negate the Bible's Truths; therefore, let's hear your negation of the Bible...what do you find in error and please, substantiate your negation with substance, verifiable substance, please? 

2) How can you suggest that "reality" has no genesis...surely it has emanated from somewhere...Time and the 2nd-law of Thermodynamics tells us that our reality is running down; therefore, if it's fading with the passage of Time, how can "reality" not have a genesis?

3) From where does "matter" find its origin? Can you explain the presence of matter?

4) BTW, will you also use your atheistic insights to explain the origin of the complex human genome?

Thank you May, your insight is amazing and much appreciated...atheists are incredible people.

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;  1) Well May, the Book is before you, its contents have stood the test of time though millions have attempted to nullify its words, many of them were "converts" in the process and none have yet to negate the Bible's Truths; therefore, let's hear your negation of the Bible...what do you find in error and please, substantiate your negation with substance, verifiable substance, please? 

2) How can you suggest that "reality" has no genesis...surely it has emanated from somewhere...Time and the 2nd-law of Thermodynamics tells us that our reality is running down; therefore, if it's fading with the passage of Time, how can "reality" not have a genesis?

3) From where does "matter" find its origin? Can you explain the presence of matter?

4) BTW, will you also use your atheistic insights to explain the origin of the complex human genome?

Thank you May, your insight is amazing and much appreciated...atheists are incredible people.

No, there have been countless processes discovered by science that contradict what is written in the Bible, and historians virtually universally disagree that most events described in the Bible took place. For one, "Jesus' resurrection" has no substantial evidence in support of it, and scientific findings in biology contradict the possibility of it happening.
That you choose to ignore these contradictions or deny them does not refute their presence.
And even if there were no obvious contradictions, it would still be up to those claiming that the Bible speaks the truth to provide evidence of it. "Nobody has proven it wrong" is no evidence. No one has proven that a dead monkey in a spacesuit is not floating around Mars either - yet one would have to be pretty insane to seriously claim that it proves its existence.

You are asking about "origin" of things because you do not understand what those things are. To talk about "the genesis of reality" makes absolutely zero sense, as I just explained. We indeed are incredible people... Much like a healthy individual is incredible in the eyes of a mental asylum resident. "Look at all these normies - they are all crazy! Only we, in the Cuckooland Hospital, see the truth!"

Factfinder

@MayCaesar

Intoxicating isn't it?  LOL

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;  1) Well May, the Book is before you, its contents have stood the test of time though millions have attempted to nullify its words, many of them were "converts" in the process and none have yet to negate the Bible's Truths; therefore, let's hear your negation of the Bible...what do you find in error and please, substantiate your negation with substance, verifiable substance, please? 

2) How can you suggest that "reality" has no genesis...surely it has emanated from somewhere...Time and the 2nd-law of Thermodynamics tells us that our reality is running down; therefore, if it's fading with the passage of Time, how can "reality" not have a genesis?

3) From where does "matter" find its origin? Can you explain the presence of matter?

4) BTW, will you also use your atheistic insights to explain the origin of the complex human genome?

Thank you May, your insight is amazing and much appreciated...atheists are incredible people.

No, there have been countless processes discovered by science that contradict what is written in the Bible, and historians virtually universally disagree that most events described in the Bible took place. For one, "Jesus' resurrection" has no substantial evidence in support of it, and scientific findings in biology contradict the possibility of it happening.
That you choose to ignore these contradictions or deny them does not refute their presence.
And even if there were no obvious contradictions, it would still be up to those claiming that the Bible speaks the truth to provide evidence of it. "Nobody has proven it wrong" is no evidence. No one has proven that a dead monkey in a spacesuit is not floating around Mars either - yet one would have to be pretty insane to seriously claim that it proves its existence.

You are asking about "origin" of things because you do not understand what those things are. To talk about "the genesis of reality" makes absolutely zero sense, as I just explained. We indeed are incredible people... Much like a healthy individual is incredible in the eyes of a mental asylum resident. "Look at all these normies - they are all crazy! Only we, in the Cuckooland Hospital, see the truth!"

@MayCaesar,  

1) No one has proven the Biblical narrative inaccurate or invalid.

2) Over 500-witnesses to Messiah's resurrection...I believe it.

3) There are no contradictions in the Scriptures.

4) Why can't you provide the atheistic explanation for the "origin of matter?" My Bible explains it with clarity...what say you and atheism, secular humanism? Please answer this simple question void obfuscation?

Please explain the origin of the complex human genome...if you deny our Creator and His omnipotence...please explain the human genome using naturalistic means. Please don't obfuscate this? 

5) Atheism is a mental illness - it denies what is before it and does so void evidence...denying reality is a mental illness.

6) Over the years that I have debated atheists, secular humanists, there is a rather consistent theme that follows the attributes of the atheist...they are overwhelmingly members of the LGBTQ community, the abortion community, the drug culture, and/or they're Socialists - Communists - Leninists - Marxists. Do any of these societal constructs, personal ideologies, match your worldview, lifestyle, @Factfinder @MayCaesar? Asking for a friend.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

God did it is a fantasy. I see facts truth and reality. You see myth, make believe, wishful thinking. No reason to be offended.

Openminded

@Factfinder @RickeyHoltsclaw

Rickey thinks if he spreads his crazy over and over again, that someone will become religiously radicalized. I mean, who else would post this amount of crazy all day long? How much is he getting paid to do this? What pleasure does he get out of it? Is he using a Trump theory? Repeat something over and over again, eventually theyĺl believe it? 

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar,  

1) No one has proven the Biblical narrative inaccurate or invalid.

2) Over 500-witnesses to Messiah's resurrection...I believe it.

3) There are no contradictions in the Scriptures.

4) Why can't you provide the atheistic explanation for the "origin of matter?" My Bible explains it with clarity...what say you and atheism, secular humanism? Please answer this simple question void obfuscation?

Please explain the origin of the complex human genome...if you deny our Creator and His omnipotence...please explain the human genome using naturalistic means. Please don't obfuscate this? 

5) Atheism is a mental illness - it denies what is before it and does so void evidence...denying reality is a mental illness.

6) Over the years that I have debated atheists, secular humanists, there is a rather consistent theme that follows the attributes of the atheist...they are overwhelmingly members of the LGBTQ community, the abortion community, the drug culture, and/or they're Socialists - Communists - Leninists - Marxists. Do any of these societal constructs, personal ideologies, match your worldview, lifestyle, @Factfinder @MayCaesar? Asking for a friend.

This hogwash has nothing to do with debating. Preaching the same nonsense over and over again only makes people more disgusted by your religion. If you want to convince someone, you have to come up with some solid arguments, otherwise you are just that madman in dirty clothes who walks around and mumbles something.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar,  

1) No one has proven the Biblical narrative inaccurate or invalid.

2) Over 500-witnesses to Messiah's resurrection...I believe it.

3) There are no contradictions in the Scriptures.

4) Why can't you provide the atheistic explanation for the "origin of matter?" My Bible explains it with clarity...what say you and atheism, secular humanism? Please answer this simple question void obfuscation?

Please explain the origin of the complex human genome...if you deny our Creator and His omnipotence...please explain the human genome using naturalistic means. Please don't obfuscate this? 

5) Atheism is a mental illness - it denies what is before it and does so void evidence...denying reality is a mental illness.

6) Over the years that I have debated atheists, secular humanists, there is a rather consistent theme that follows the attributes of the atheist...they are overwhelmingly members of the LGBTQ community, the abortion community, the drug culture, and/or they're Socialists - Communists - Leninists - Marxists. Do any of these societal constructs, personal ideologies, match your worldview, lifestyle, @Factfinder @MayCaesar? Asking for a friend.

This hogwash has nothing to do with debating. Preaching the same nonsense over and over again only makes people more disgusted by your religion. If you want to convince someone, you have to come up with some solid arguments, otherwise you are just that madman in dirty clothes who walks around and mumbles something.

@MayCaesar

1) Prove the Scriptures invalid, atheist. Demonstrate anyone, anywhere, who explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning our origin and our destiny but the Holy Spirit in the Canon of Scripture?

2) The Holy Spirit tells you that over 500 men, women, children, witnessed Messiah's resurrection subsequent His death for your sin. Prove otherwise?

3) Please explain the origin of matter using atheistic, naturalistic, means? If the Genesis Narrative is so offensive and laughable, provide an alternative, please?

4) Please explain the origin of the complex human genome using naturalistic means?

5) Please explain your hatred for the Bible, our Creator, Christians? What particular sin do you harbor that the Scriptures detail as defilement and you are so insulted that your offended spirit retaliates against that which is holy and good and sustainable?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Openminded said:

@Factfinder @RickeyHoltsclaw

Rickey thinks if he spreads his crazy over and over again, that someone will become religiously radicalized. I mean, who else would post this amount of crazy all day long? How much is he getting paid to do this? What pleasure does he get out of it? Is he using a Trump theory? Repeat something over and over again, eventually theyĺl believe it? 

@Openminded ; 

1) Why obfuscate, why not answer my questions as opposed to blathering and vomiting the irrelevant?

2) You tout your demonic religion of secular humanism and atheism in these pages...you vomit the devil's will...why not hear Truth from one who loves our Creator?

3) God Bless Donald Trump ... the only one who can restore America's heart beat and place the foolish and destructive Progressives back into their demonic corner.

You won't believe...you will most likely perish in Hell in unbelief in your demonic atheism.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

God did it is a fantasy. I see facts truth and reality. You see myth, make believe, wishful thinking. No reason to be offended.

@Factfinder ;  Share your insight with the forum,

1) Please explain the origin of matter using naturalistic means?

2) Please explain the origin of the complex human genome using naturalistic means?

3) Please explain your mind-boggling vitriol for the Canon of Scripture and our Creator by providing an alternative to the Genesis Narrative?

 

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

1) Prove the Scriptures invalid, atheist. Demonstrate anyone, anywhere, who explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning our origin and our destiny but the Holy Spirit in the Canon of Scripture?

2) The Holy Spirit tells you that over 500 men, women, children, witnessed Messiah's resurrection subsequent His death for your sin. Prove otherwise?

3) Please explain the origin of matter using atheistic, naturalistic, means? If the Genesis Narrative is so offensive and laughable, provide an alternative, please?

4) Please explain the origin of the complex human genome using naturalistic means?

5) Please explain your hatred for the Bible, our Creator, Christians? What particular sin do you harbor that the Scriptures detail as defilement and you are so insulted that your offended spirit retaliates against that which is holy and good and sustainable?

1) The burden of proof is not on me.

2) "Holy Spirit" is a human creation. The burden of proof is not on me.

3) Already been over this.

4) Already been over this.

5) I do not "hate the Bible", "hate creator" or "hate Christians".

Has anyone noticed how religious people on this website consistently fail at basic reading comprehension? I think that is what reading outlandish fantasy for years does to one.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

1) Prove the Scriptures invalid, atheist. Demonstrate anyone, anywhere, who explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning our origin and our destiny but the Holy Spirit in the Canon of Scripture?

2) The Holy Spirit tells you that over 500 men, women, children, witnessed Messiah's resurrection subsequent His death for your sin. Prove otherwise?

3) Please explain the origin of matter using atheistic, naturalistic, means? If the Genesis Narrative is so offensive and laughable, provide an alternative, please?

4) Please explain the origin of the complex human genome using naturalistic means?

5) Please explain your hatred for the Bible, our Creator, Christians? What particular sin do you harbor that the Scriptures detail as defilement and you are so insulted that your offended spirit retaliates against that which is holy and good and sustainable?

1) The burden of proof is not on me.

2) "Holy Spirit" is a human creation. The burden of proof is not on me.

3) Already been over this.

4) Already been over this.

5) I do not "hate the Bible", "hate creator" or "hate Christians".

Has anyone noticed how religious people on this website consistently fail at basic reading comprehension? I think that is what reading outlandish fantasy for years does to one.

1) You deny the creation narrative; therefore, offer a viable option...don't obfuscate.

2) The Holy Spirit is Spirit (John 4:24)...He is the one you have rejected in your walk in demonic atheism.

3) Your vitriol says otherwise...explain your sin that under girds your hate for Jesus. 

4) Apparently, you have failed not only in reading comprehension but life in general...atheism is a fools game (Psalm 14:1). 

 

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, I think Jesus of Nazareth was a pretty cool guy; definitely not hating him. I do think very lowly of you, but that has nothing to do with your beliefs (I have plenty of Christian friends who I love), just with your endless preaching, lack of originality, and personality.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Why did Elohim create the Heavens and the Earth?

When students of Scripture and history reflect upon the wars and death and suffering and calamity that manifests throughout the Torah and subsequently to this very day, they wonder why a loving and compassionate Creator would permit such chaos. What most do NOT understand is the causation and purposes under girding our creation and this temporary Realm of Time constrained by physics.

You and I are in this cosmic vacuum due to an unfathomable war that was initiated in the Kingdom of Elohim before Time was created and all that we perceive with our senses and beyond is the resultant of that war and Elohim's endeavor to restore order and peace to His Kingdom while simultaneously maintaining volitional love with His angelic creation; an angelic creation that Elohim loves and cherishes beyond human comprehension.

It is critical to understanding causation for the creation narrative that the previous 6000-years of horror are a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will exists by necessity; this, as Elohim is allowing the evil introduced by a rebellious anointed cherub angel to play-out within the constraints of Time and physics for all to see and the conclusion of the matter will be that obedience and loyalty to Elohim and His sovereignty is the only sustainable path to a life (both spiritual and physical) worth living and that rebellion, selfishness, covetousness, self-righteousness, are unsustainable pathways to horror, sorrow, death, nihilism.

All that we confront with our senses in this temporary life within a temporary World and Heaven is an eschatological bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will remains extant by necessity concerning intimacy with Elohim. The primary reason Messiah Jesus entered the Realm of Time was to defeat, destroy, the works of that rebellious anointed cherub and the one-third of the angelic creation that followed him in the Great Kingdom War (1 John 3:8b); this, with the precarious strategy of maintaining volitional love with His cherished angelic creation.

_____________________________________

Elohim explains causation, reasoning, for the creation narrative from the Genesis to the Revelation; in fact, we see the introduction of the major players, the war, the battle strategy, introduced within the first-three chapters of the Genesis narrative. 

--- In Genesis 1:1, "Elohim" introduces Himself via a plural noun with a singular verb. 

--- In Genesis 1:2, The Holy Spirit introduces Himself as the Logistical Overseer of all things created.

--- In Genesis 1:26-28, we see the collaboration of Elohim as "Us" and "Our" - Father-Son-Spirit creating the complex human genome in the spiritual image of Elohim thereby imparting certain divine communicable attributes into the human genome specifically for Elohim's eschatological purposes going forward. 

--- In Genesis 3, we're introduced to the rebellious cherub angel that initiated the Kingdom War and that angel has been extricated from the Kingdom and placed partially within the constraints of Time and physics and allowed access to human kind (Ezekiel 28:11+); this, as Jesus tells us that He watched Satan fall from Heaven like lightening (Luke 10:18).

--- In Genesis 3:15, we see the declaration of war between Satan and Jesus (Jesus, born of the virgin seed of the woman to circumvent the Adamic sin-nature) and the prophecy that Messiah would be victorious over Satan as crushing the head of Satan but that Jesus would not be unscathed but receive a "bruised heal"...a death suffered on the Cross.

--- In Genesis 3:21, we see the divine battle strategy, the Gospel, that Elohim would employ to defeat the works of the Devil (death-Hell-the grave) through the imputation of righteousness, a gifting of righteousness that Elohim, Himself, would provide via the shedding of innocent blood to clothe sinful humanity in an imputed "robe of righteousness" that mankind could not earn, did not deserve; this, as Elohim rejected the works of mankind to cover his own sin and shame by the works of his hands exemplified by the "fig leaves" Adam used to cover his own shame and nakedness. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ which was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10). 

Conclusion,

From the Genesis forward, we see Elohim's eschatological plan working through and around human kind's free will choices; this, through the Adamic and Noahic generations, through Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Messiah...this eschatological plan can be followed through the Scriptures as the Holy Spirit methodically explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning the Realm of Time, our purpose within it, and the closure of Time and physics, the New Heaven and the New Earth, the New Jerusalem. All one must do is possess a heart that is willing to receive and believe and seek and study via our Divine Teacher, the precious indwelling Holy Spirit given to all who "believe" Jesus is Messiah (Ephesians 1:13-14; 1 John 2:27).

It didn't.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Why did Elohim create the Heavens and the Earth?

When students of Scripture and history reflect upon the wars and death and suffering and calamity that manifests throughout the Torah and subsequently to this very day, they wonder why a loving and compassionate Creator would permit such chaos. What most do NOT understand is the causation and purposes under girding our creation and this temporary Realm of Time constrained by physics.

You and I are in this cosmic vacuum due to an unfathomable war that was initiated in the Kingdom of Elohim before Time was created and all that we perceive with our senses and beyond is the resultant of that war and Elohim's endeavor to restore order and peace to His Kingdom while simultaneously maintaining volitional love with His angelic creation; an angelic creation that Elohim loves and cherishes beyond human comprehension.

It is critical to understanding causation for the creation narrative that the previous 6000-years of horror are a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will exists by necessity; this, as Elohim is allowing the evil introduced by a rebellious anointed cherub angel to play-out within the constraints of Time and physics for all to see and the conclusion of the matter will be that obedience and loyalty to Elohim and His sovereignty is the only sustainable path to a life (both spiritual and physical) worth living and that rebellion, selfishness, covetousness, self-righteousness, are unsustainable pathways to horror, sorrow, death, nihilism.

All that we confront with our senses in this temporary life within a temporary World and Heaven is an eschatological bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will remains extant by necessity concerning intimacy with Elohim. The primary reason Messiah Jesus entered the Realm of Time was to defeat, destroy, the works of that rebellious anointed cherub and the one-third of the angelic creation that followed him in the Great Kingdom War (1 John 3:8b); this, with the precarious strategy of maintaining volitional love with His cherished angelic creation.

_____________________________________

Elohim explains causation, reasoning, for the creation narrative from the Genesis to the Revelation; in fact, we see the introduction of the major players, the war, the battle strategy, introduced within the first-three chapters of the Genesis narrative. 

--- In Genesis 1:1, "Elohim" introduces Himself via a plural noun with a singular verb. 

--- In Genesis 1:2, The Holy Spirit introduces Himself as the Logistical Overseer of all things created.

--- In Genesis 1:26-28, we see the collaboration of Elohim as "Us" and "Our" - Father-Son-Spirit creating the complex human genome in the spiritual image of Elohim thereby imparting certain divine communicable attributes into the human genome specifically for Elohim's eschatological purposes going forward. 

--- In Genesis 3, we're introduced to the rebellious cherub angel that initiated the Kingdom War and that angel has been extricated from the Kingdom and placed partially within the constraints of Time and physics and allowed access to human kind (Ezekiel 28:11+); this, as Jesus tells us that He watched Satan fall from Heaven like lightening (Luke 10:18).

--- In Genesis 3:15, we see the declaration of war between Satan and Jesus (Jesus, born of the virgin seed of the woman to circumvent the Adamic sin-nature) and the prophecy that Messiah would be victorious over Satan as crushing the head of Satan but that Jesus would not be unscathed but receive a "bruised heal"...a death suffered on the Cross.

--- In Genesis 3:21, we see the divine battle strategy, the Gospel, that Elohim would employ to defeat the works of the Devil (death-Hell-the grave) through the imputation of righteousness, a gifting of righteousness that Elohim, Himself, would provide via the shedding of innocent blood to clothe sinful humanity in an imputed "robe of righteousness" that mankind could not earn, did not deserve; this, as Elohim rejected the works of mankind to cover his own sin and shame by the works of his hands exemplified by the "fig leaves" Adam used to cover his own shame and nakedness. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ which was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10). 

Conclusion,

From the Genesis forward, we see Elohim's eschatological plan working through and around human kind's free will choices; this, through the Adamic and Noahic generations, through Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Messiah...this eschatological plan can be followed through the Scriptures as the Holy Spirit methodically explains the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning the Realm of Time, our purpose within it, and the closure of Time and physics, the New Heaven and the New Earth, the New Jerusalem. All one must do is possess a heart that is willing to receive and believe and seek and study via our Divine Teacher, the precious indwelling Holy Spirit given to all who "believe" Jesus is Messiah (Ephesians 1:13-14; 1 John 2:27).

It didn't.

Please use my name with @ when responding so I know you've responded to me...the 4th request.

"It didn't"?  LOL;

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, I think Jesus of Nazareth was a pretty cool guy; definitely not hating him. I do think very lowly of you, but that has nothing to do with your beliefs (I have plenty of Christian friends who I love), just with your endless preaching, lack of originality, and personality.

@MayCaesar ; 

1) Jesus was not "a pretty cool guy" but Elohim, our Creator, having manifest in the flesh for your benefit as He provided blood atonement for your sin and provided you a Path to eternal life by faith in Him as your Messiah.

2) If my "preaching" offends you, you're in for a long road of "offensive" rebuttal.

 

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What you think about Jesus is irrelevant. You claimed that I hate him, and I explained that I do not as I see him as a cool guy.

You are less conscious than an infant, unable to comprehend the most basic sentences. Not sure what happened to you in the military or law enforcement, but you lost it, man.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What you think about Jesus is irrelevant. You claimed that I hate him, and I explained that I do not as I see him as a cool guy.

You are less conscious than an infant, unable to comprehend the most basic sentences. Not sure what happened to you in the military or law enforcement, but you lost it, man.

@MayCaesar ;  The problem is, you're unable to discern my words due your spiritual ignorance and deadness. I learned much about the uselessness and dangers of the atheistic ideology in my service as a Marine Infantryman and in uniformed law enforcement...you represent a horrible people that are destructive, useless in word, thought, dead...as you advocate for unsustainable and destructive behaviors that destroy the fabric of a healthy society.

MayCaesar

You know, it is impossible to converse with people like this without descending to their rock bottom level, and I respect myself too much to do that. I will stop interacting with this guy and wait patiently for @aarong to clean up the mess.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

You know, it is impossible to converse with people like this without descending to their rock bottom level, and I respect myself too much to do that. I will stop interacting with this guy and wait patiently for @aarong to clean up the mess.

@MayCaesar ;  Coward

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;  Coward

Thank you for your high quality contribution to a debate! I will let the audience decide whether it wins you the argument or not.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;  Coward

Thank you for your high quality contribution to a debate! I will let the audience decide whether it wins you the argument or not.

@MayCaesar ;  You're a coward...you're seeking to have me banned because your demon is irritated by my presence...this is weak...the forum would better-off withOUT your arrogance and hypocrisy. If you direct a rebuttal to me...Please, for the THIRD TIME...use my @rickeyholtsclaw because your quote does not forward it me but indicates a "general" comment. Please try harder? Thank you.

MayCaesar

Again, I refuse to go down to throwing around petty insults, so I am afraid we have nothing more to talk about.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

Again, I refuse to go down to throwing around petty insults, so I am afraid we have nothing more to talk about.

@MayCaesar ;  Please use my @rickeyholtsclaw when conversing directly with me so that I know you've responded or have contacted me; otherwise, your rebuttal appears as a general comment. I treasure your opinion; therefore, please keep me informed as I do NOT desire to miss your intellectual atheistic rebuttal. Thank you, Rick.